Big Yawn is a Joke

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
   

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
    and if you just senselessly trashed it, i would say, whatever, but it wouldnt send me in a crazy rage!!!!!!

What if it was the new Muse CD?      [/b]

whatever. it doesnt matter. some review is not going to make me act like a goddamn fool on a chat board.

[ratioci nation]

the important question is
 
 Will Jack White beat the shit out of Loretta Lynn when after her next album is out, she criticizes the production of Van Lear Rose?

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

No, Jack White only beats the shit out of girls (like that Von Bundies chick). Loretta Lynn is a woman.
 
 

Originally posted by pollard:
  the important question is
 
 Will Jack White beat the shit out of Loretta Lynn when after her next album is out, she criticizes the production of Van Lear Rose?

[Bags]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I believe her point was that the reviews were written in a way that conveyed that the writer(s) did not have much knowledge of the genre they were dealing with. If the writer does not have a knowledgeable grasp of the genre they are writing about, why waste the bandwidth to post such a review?

Actually, I agree -- I only looked at the Loretta Lynn review, but to start out this way to me means that particular reviewer should not be tasked with reviewing that album.  Harsh words -- vile, fecund, etc.
 
 "Every ten years or so, Indie Rock Criticism goes through an identity crisis of sorts and opens its doors to an artist of what is traditionally the most vile, hated spew of the fecund popular music world -- country music."
 
 While the general point is an interesting one, it lost all validity with the opening paragraph.
 
 And, though I don't think this board is the place to bash particular people simply to bash them, it is a local music forum, so a good place to generate discussion on local music websites, etc.  God knows the exciting and invigorating discussions have been fairly few and far between this winter...
 
 May all get better soon, as I'm probably not long for the board.  And I get to leave having agreed with Rhett and Celeste!

[Jaguär]

Just for comparison's sake:
 
     

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 ....
 
 Most overrated album: Loretta Lynn-Van Lear Rose. This sounds like a Jack White country album with Loretta Lynn doing vocal chores. Which is fine if you like Jack White. Personally, I prefer the Emmylou Harris-Daniel Lanois and Willie Nelson-Daniel Lanois collaborations, as well as the seemingly more hands-off Rick Rubin approach to Johnny Cash.

Granted, it's not an official review but Sonick, Random, Redsock and others have already detailed most of my thoughts somewhere above especially the fact that these people are writing for the love of it and not as a profession. Christ, it's the internet! I'm not even paying for some print copy or an excessive amount of advertising that I'd have to wade through!
 
 Personally, one of the reasons that I rarely read music reviews is because they bore me to death which is something I've stated here many times. Way too many of them are by people who have worked their way up the journalistic career ladder after paying lots of dues and have been molded by the old established ways. While there are a few good lessons to be learned there, they end up becoming cookie-cutter writers who do nothing but kiss corporate ass with the right words in the right ways at the expense of any real knowledge or insight into the music angle of their work.
 
 Often the very best reviews, in my eyes, are those that get deeply involved in the music side of the craft but are a bit short on the standard methods of writing the same old boring review over and over again. Too many of them are like form letters with bands and outcomes keyed in. Some of the worst are the ones with all of the flowery words that try to overcompensate for a lack of ability to communicate any real information that a reader might need to have a clue what is being said so that by the time you've completed reading, you still don't know whether or not it's something that you would have any interest in buying or even listening to.
 
 Rhett, I actually agree with the first part of your statement even though we have very different tastes in music. It just seemed that a little 'black kettle therapy' was needed. Word of advice, take some chocolate home with you. Lots of chocolate!      

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Jaguär:
  Word of advice, take some chocolate home with you. Lots of chocolate!          

lol!!!  i herrrrr dat!!!!!

[Random Citizen]

Funny, there's a similar thread happening on the Big Takeover's mailing list discussing Pitchfork.

[Samantha]

Well...this is what I come home to!
 
 I guess it's hard NOT to comment on all this.
 
 I'm really finding it hard to see why Celeste is so upset.  If the reviewer is so discredited, then why care?  Why not just dismiss it as ignorant?  I work in retail these days...and I like the things I sell.  But everyday, someone comes in and looks at something I love and says "that's ugly."  What an angry and unstable person I'd be if I had to rant and rave every time that happened.  Another thing I don't understand is that the person has admitted to not liking or knowing country music.  So a) why are you even paying attention to it as one who DOES like country music and b) why do you expect someone to afford the same reverence as you do?  That's like asking a follower of Islam to praise Jesus Christ.  You have to understand...some people are Muslim, Jewish, Wiccan, Atheist, Agnostic, Buddhist, Confucist,or Taoist
 and they don't have the respect for Jesus as a Christian would.  With so many other types of religion out there, why get upset at all of the people who don't praise Jesus?  That's a lot of people to get upset at.
 
 And I don't see how insulting their catchphrase and whatnot is adding to your argument.  That just seems really petty.
 
 I'm bringing copies of the Tao Te Ching for everyone to the Chrimmus party.  HA!
 
 Well anyways this was interesting, folks.  Especially since I plan on going into journalism!  Yowza.
 
 PS. I was going to say something about Jesus but I'll refrain

[Bags]

Originally posted by Samantha:
  You have to understand...some people are Muslim, Jewish, Wiccan, Atheist, Agnostic, Buddhist, Confucist,or Taoist and they don't have the respect for Jesus as a Christian would.  

But, to stay with Celeste's point, would you want to read on a site about religious texts a 'review' of the Torah by the Wiccan, who's coming at it with a biased attitude (signaled by starting the review by describing Judaism as vile, fecund and all...) and isn't familiar with any of the context?  If the Wiccan had deconstructed the Torah as an investigatory manner and looked at how it might play off of Wiccan lore, that could be interesting, but to start of ranting....

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Bags:
   

Originally posted by Samantha:
  You have to understand...some people are Muslim, Jewish, Wiccan, Atheist, Agnostic, Buddhist, Confucist,or Taoist and they don't have the respect for Jesus as a Christian would.  

But, to stay with Celeste's point, would you want to read on a site about religious texts a 'review' of the Torah by the Wiccan, who's coming at it with a biased attitude (signaled by starting the review by describing Judaism as vile, fecund and all...) and isn't familiar with any of the context?  If the Wiccan had deconstructed the Torah as an investigatory manner and looked at how it might play off of Wiccan lore, that could be interesting, but to start of ranting.... [/b]

If it were a Wiccan site, I wouldn't be surprised.  I also wouldn't be upset by it (if I were Jewish) because I know it came from someone who didn't have the same respect as I would have.  A country fan would probably call some of my music "vile and fecund."  But I would understand it to be their opinion and I certainly wouldn't be upset by it.
 It seemed to me to be a tongue-in-cheek "rant."  It just didn't seem like it was meant to be such an insult, more like a joke.

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[Celeste]

to clarify to you all "fecund" is not a pejorative term...it means "productive" or "fertile"
 
 also, Samantha, I am not "so upset" and to Jag, I do not need chocolate
 
 I was emphatically criticizing the reviews, and thus, the site (since they were allowed ON the site, hello is there an editor in the house?) in the same manner in which the reviews were written
 
 I'm personally not upset by any of this, nor am I bothered by the reviewers' opinions of the CDs in terms of whether they like them or not (I personally think the Loretta Lynn album stinks, but I won't presume to know enough about it all to write something for public consumption for a website about it), it is the shoddy manner in which they were written and the complete lack of any indication of depth of knowledge that I was railing against here, and, if you all want BY to remain a private enclave and a hobby site, then, by all means continue in this vein, but if you want respectability, well, I've given my pointers...
 
 the reason I posted on this board is to see if anyone agreed/disagreed and have a discussion about it, I don't really care to have a private conversation with the writer...that's no fun

[Celeste]

Originally posted by Xmasie Markie:
   

Originally posted by Celeste:
  I'm a Mrs.

Are you entirely sure about that?
 
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this needs updating, it must be from 2000 or early 01

[markie]

You asked for it:
 
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[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Celeste:
  to clarify to you all "fecund" is not a pejorative term...it means "productive" or "fertile"
 
 also, Samantha, I am not "so upset" and to Jag, I do not need chocolate
 

are you still talking?   jeez.  maybe you need a ball gag or something.  I bet Markie could help you out with that.