Big Yawn is a Joke

[sonickteam2]

think of it this way.
 
 
    If i like rock music and i am thinking of buying a country CD, perhaps i would like to hear what someone who also liked rock music thought of it, for I may share thier opinion of it. instead of hearing what someone who already likes country thinks of it.  
 
 
 make sense?

[Celeste]

there are no explicit qualifications per se, but if I was to write a commentary on FDA's handling of the Vioxx/Celebrex issue and in my commentary I referred to the FDA commissioner as "this Crawford guy" I don't think people would hold my opinion as valuable, since bu doing this I would have demonstrated that I don't really know much background on the agency or its commissioner...
 
 
 get it?

[Celeste]

Originally posted by elj:
 I find it funny you and Rhett seem so heaven sent against Eric "advertising" on here [/QB]

I'm not against this...

[sonickteam2]

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 the dead horse has been beaten
 
 i am out of this one

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

You remind me of that Beck song "Loser". Or perhaps the Radiohead song "Creep". Take your pick.
 
 

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  you remind me of that Spin Doctors song "Little Miss Can't Be Wrong"

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Celeste:
  I really didn't know that SO MANY of you wrote reviews for Big Yawn, and you're right...I don't read all of them...

wouldn't this statement clearly deem you "unqualified" to write a review of BigYawn.net then?  which is what you did by starting this topic.

[redsock]

Originally posted by Celeste:
  there are no explicit qualifications per se, but if I was to write a commentary on FDA's handling of the Vioxx/Celebrex issue and in my commentary I referred to the FDA commissioner as "this Crawford guy" I don't think people would hold my opinion as valuable, since bu doing this I would have demonstrated that I don't really know much background on the agency or its commissioner...
 
 get it?

Now that is just wrong Celeste, comparing something the FDA did to Joe Blow's thoughts on an album is hardly apples to apples.
 
 "Ms. Lynn was extremely interested in working with Mr. Jack White, whose credentials as a producer and as a musician in the band, the White Stripes, were quite impressive.They speant three solid weeks in the studio, located in Nashville, TN. Mr. White was heard saying how impressed he was with te city, and the studio itself. 'It's the birthplace of country,' he was quoted as saying."
 
 You want to read 300 words of that? The reviews are meant to be intelligently written, off the cuff description of the album. Not reporting for a trade publication.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  You remind me of that Beck song "Loser". Or perhaps the Radiohead song "Creep". Take your pick.
 

i know you can do better than that!!
 
   come on and use that brain!

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

So when people on the 9:30 Board have a problem with, say, a David Segal review in the Washington Post, they should simply email Mr. Segal with their complaint, and not post their complaint on the 9:30 board?
 
    That's bullshit, and you know it.
 
 

Originally posted by elj:
  Good Afternoon.
 
 My name is Jaron, and I am the writer of the aforementioned Loretta Lynn review. I would like to start by saying that my views do not constitute the general opinion of BigYawn, any writer not named "Jaron," or the guy who runs the site. As Eric already pointed out somewhere in this quagmire of a hissy fit, he likes country music. I do not. However, my bias does not change or discredit the two central points of my review, namely: (1) that the indie rock community would not care about Loretta Lynn's album, absent Jack White's association with it, and (2) that the mad rush to give rave reviews to said record (i.e. Pitchfork just included it in it's top 50 of 2004) speaks a paradox of sorts; if Van Lear Rose is truly deserving of a 9 of 10 rating, then - this being an average, par-for-the-course Loretta Lynn album representative of her body of work - the indie rock community has ignored lavishing similar praise on equal records from Ms. Lynn's back catalogue. So, no matter how you want to slice it, they're either pandering or derelict in their goal of informing us of decent music.
 
 That said, Celeste, or whoever still cares 85 posts into this thread, that's my opinion and you're totally entitled to disagree. I find it funny you and Rhett seem so heaven sent against Eric "advertising" on here (and I'm not neccessarily going to disagree with you on that), yet you cannot follow up your disgust for such actions with taking the high road and emailing myself, or the site's webmaster. Several people have emailed me about reviews they've disagreed with in the past (in particular, one I wrote about Wilco), and the majority was able to express in a more mature manor then crying on 930.com. The thought of you calling my reviews condescending and then throwing a hissy fit on a venue's website is hypocritical at best. I encourage you to email myself or post commentary on BigYawn's message board if you have a follow-up or would like to engage in an actual discussion of the merits of recent album releases, as I will not waste 9:30's bandwidth any longer airing our dirty laundry. It's funny, one of the things I was thinking about earlier this week was suggesting to Eric that we have a mailbox section where people can write in and disagree, and we'd post them on the site in the spirit of fairness. Perhaps in light of this recent unpleasentness, that is an idea we'll take under advisement, but then again, I do not run the site, I just write "closed-minded bigoted rants."
 
 I'm sure I speak for both myself and Eric when I say we appreciate your interest, and your obvious readership of his site and my work. On a personal note, it's so rewarding to see when something I create has such a profound effect on other's lives. I never write a review saying to myself, "Oh, boy, I hope someone will be so clearly affected by my opinion - so stirred with feeling and rancor - that they run to the streets, wraught with emotion, and have to tell others what they've seen," but when it does happen, it's most rewarding. Thank you, God bless.
 
 -jaron
 jaron@bigyawn.net

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

There are actually some people in the world who like BOTH rock and country music. Those are the people whose opinions I am going to trust when it comes to a review of a rock or country album. Duh.
 
 I like rock music, but dislike rap. Would you like to hear my opinion of the new Mos Def album?
 
 
 

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  think of it this way.
 
 
    If i like rock music and i am thinking of buying a country CD, perhaps i would like to hear what someone who also liked rock music thought of it, for I may share thier opinion of it. instead of hearing what someone who already likes country thinks of it.  
 
 
 make sense?

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

She was referring to Jason Ringenberg, one of the godfathers of the 80's cowpunk movement that came along long before Jeff Tweedy ever met his Uncle Tupelo. To call him "this Ringenberg guy" either shows a complete lack of knowledge of the importance of Jason's past, or a complete disregard for it.
 
 
 

Originally posted by redsock:
   

Originally posted by Celeste:
  there are no explicit qualifications per se, but if I was to write a commentary on FDA's handling of the Vioxx/Celebrex issue and in my commentary I referred to the FDA commissioner as "this Crawford guy" I don't think people would hold my opinion as valuable, since bu doing this I would have demonstrated that I don't really know much background on the agency or its commissioner...
 
 get it?

Now that is just wrong Celeste, comparing something the FDA did to Joe Blow's thoughts on an album is hardly apples to apples.
 
 "Ms. Lynn was extremely interested in working with Mr. Jack White, whose credentials as a producer and as a musician in the band, the White Stripes, were quite impressive.They speant three solid weeks in the studio, located in Nashville, TN. Mr. White was heard saying how impressed he was with te city, and the studio itself. 'It's the birthplace of country,' he was quoted as saying."
 
 You want to read 300 words of that? The reviews are meant to be intelligently written, off the cuff description of the album. Not reporting for a trade publication. [/b]

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  There are actually some people in the world who like BOTH rock and country music. Those are the people whose opinions I am going to trust when it comes to a review of a rock or country album. Duh.
 
 I like rock music, but dislike rap. Would you like to hear my opinion of the new Mos Def album?
 

[/QB][/QUOTE]
 
 
  this is what i am saying.   I understand some people like both, but i was not talking about those people, DUH.
 
  and perhaps i would like to hear your opinion on the new Mos Def.  honestly.
 
   and if you just senselessly trashed it, i would say, whatever, but it wouldnt send me in a crazy rage!!!!!!

[Bombay Chutney]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
    and if you just senselessly trashed it, i would say, whatever, but it wouldnt send me in a crazy rage!!!!!!

What if it was the new Muse CD?  

[Celeste]

Originally posted by redsock:
  Now that is just wrong Celeste, comparing something the FDA did to Joe Blow's thoughts on an album is hardly apples to apples.
 

you're still, STILL, missing the point, like so many others on the board right now, and it is so frustrating...I'm not comparing "something FDA did" with the Joe Blow reviewer...
 
 I was using the subject as an example, if someone was to WRITE about something and refer to someone who is KNOWN as "this so-and-so guy" as though this KNOWN person is just some schmuck nobody's heard of ever...this only reflects that the person writing this has not heard of said so-and-so...and it reflects poorly on the writer and on the publication...I'm not suggesting you use Mr. or Ms...I'm suggesting your reviewers do their homework, stick to what they know (notice, not what they "like", but what they "know")...or, have some humility...

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
   one of the godfathers of the 80's cowpunk movement

what a title. how could we insult such an important person in music.
 
 
    :roll:  
 
 
 and thats MR COWPUNK to you buddy.