smoking ban

[ScreaminEagle]

i think many of you are missing the point.  I hate smoking (cigarettes that is    ) but what i hate even more is the government controlling our lives.  If you have a problem with smoking in clubs, talk directly with the club and let the club make a ban on smoking.  don't whine to the government.  if the club doesn't think its worthwhile to ban smoking, then don't go.  You have no right to a smoke-free environment at a private business.  You have a choice, you are not forced to go to these clubs.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by ScreaminEagle:
  i think many of you are missing the point.  I hate smoking (cigarettes that is       ) but what i hate even more is the government controlling our lives.  If you have a problem with smoking in clubs, talk directly with the club and let the club make a ban on smoking.  don't whine to the government.  if the club doesn't think its worthwhile to ban smoking, then don't go.  You have no right to a smoke-free environment at a private business.  You have a choice, you are not forced to go to these clubs.

I'm glad you weren't in charge during the Civil Rights era.  
 
 Have you met fellow boardie Venerable Bede?

[Shadrach]

Originally posted by ScreaminEagle:
  i think many of you are missing the point.  I hate smoking (cigarettes that is       ) but what i hate even more is the government controlling our lives.  If you have a problem with smoking in clubs, talk directly with the club and let the club make a ban on smoking.  don't whine to the government.  if the club doesn't think its worthwhile to ban smoking, then don't go.  You have no right to a smoke-free environment at a private business.  You have a choice, you are not forced to go to these clubs.

Um, isn't going to the government and asking for the people to vote on something what democracy is all about? We all have a voice and in this situation the non-smokers spoke loudest.
 
 I guess with your logic each individual business has the right to say what happens in their establishment, like say no women allowed or perhaps no black people or maybe black people can come in, but they can't sit in the same room with white folks?

[you be betty]

Originally posted by the sonick:
   

Originally posted by Shadrach:
  By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke.

you'd have to go to a LOT of concerts and stand by a LOT of people who smoked a LOT before second hand smoke really fucked your health up.
 
   and ggw can pull whatever shit off of the internet he wants.  but i doubt any of you non smokers are going to be huffing and puffing up the stairs anytime soon because i had a stogie near you one night at the black cat
 
  k? [/b]

that's a load of crap.  at least half the people on these boards are those of us that go to shows once, twice, three times a week...even doing that stuff once, twice, three times a month...yeah, it's going to have an effect.  i've never smoked a cigarette in my entire life, but i bet you that by the time i am 20 my lungs are not going to be in tip top shape.  i'm obviously not going to be as well off as i would have been never smoking at all and never going to a concert at all.  but it's an accociated risk with a choice i make.  i like live music enough where the smoke is just going to be an inconvenience.  i don't understand why everyone is flipping out so much.
 when they ban it, it's going to be just as easy to walk outside and have a cigarette or to smoke before and after the show.  i don't think there are any clear losers or winners here.  and i don't think it's a matter of "civil rights" when it is proven to directly affect the health of others.  it's not like the entire race of African Americans or every woman out there decided to blow carcinogens into the lungs of others.  you've got apples and oranges here.

[ScreaminEagle]

Originally posted by Shadrach:
  Um, isn't going to the government and asking for the people to vote on something what democracy is all about? We all have a voice and in this situation the non-smokers spoke loudest.
 
 I guess with your logic each individual business has the right to say what happens in their establishment, like say no women allowed or perhaps no black people or maybe black people can come in, but they can't sit in the same room with white folks?

racism and sexism is a completely different issue.  in my mind, smoking isn't something that the government has a right to control in private establishments.  end of story.  plus, you gotta think, whats next?  a ban on eating meat?  a ban on SUV's?  I can't even walk outside my house without a breath full of hydrocarbons, maybe a ban on all cars?

[Oriole33]

I guarantee, that when Drive-By Truckers perform, they will have lit cigarettes dangling from their mouths- or they won't play! And when management let's them- the hypocrisy starts!
 I won't be present at the club because of the non-smoking policy. I hope DBT cancels, too. Anyone going to tell Ronnie Woods or Keith that they can't smoke at Stones concerts? I'm so tired of this 2nd-hand smoke propaganda!

[chaz]

Originally posted by Oriole33:
  I won't be present at the club because of the non-smoking policy.  

We'll miss you.

[Relaxer]

WASHINGTON - Breathing any amount of someone else's tobacco smoke harms nonsmokers, the surgeon general declared Tuesday â?? a strong condemnation of secondhand smoke that is sure to fuel nationwide efforts to ban smoking in public.
 
 "The debate is over. The science is clear: Secondhand smoke is not a mere annoyance, but a serious health hazard," said U.S. Surgeon General Richard Carmona.

[Guiny]

Originally posted by Relaxer:
  WASHINGTON - Breathing any amount of someone else's tobacco smoke harms nonsmokers, the surgeon general declared Tuesday â?? a strong condemnation of secondhand smoke that is sure to fuel nationwide efforts to ban smoking in public.
 
 "The debate is over. The science is clear: Secondhand smoke is not a mere annoyance, but a serious health hazard," said U.S. Surgeon General Richard Carmona.

Only God knows the real answer, if anyone cares, just ask him when you die.

[sonickteam2]

its good to be the majority i suppose.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Is Ronnie Woods related to Tiger Woods?
 
 Maybe someone should have told EARL Woods not to smoke.
 
 
 

Originally posted by Oriole33:
  I guarantee, that when Drive-By Truckers perform, they will have lit cigarettes dangling from their mouths- or they won't play! And when management let's them- the hypocrisy starts!
 I won't be present at the club because of the non-smoking policy. I hope DBT cancels, too. Anyone going to tell Ronnie Woods or Keith that they can't smoke at Stones concerts? I'm so tired of this 2nd-hand smoke propaganda!

[brennser]

I guarantee, that when Drive-By Truckers perform, they will have lit cigarettes dangling from their mouths- or they won't play!  

Marah were smoking like trains sat night despite it being a no smoking show....

[nanj]

I have to change my mind about smoking in clubs. Oh my gosh, last night was horrible. Sorry to all the smokers, but I swear, there was no A/C blowing and there was just way too much cigarette smoke. My daughters and I had to leave because not only was it blistering hot, but we couldn't breathe. I don't think it's ever been like that, even for a sold out show. Panic was enough to make you stop breathing anyway, we should have sold the tickets to the begging kids, but we ended up wanting to see The Hush Sound. They were great.

[Relaxer]

Originally posted by the sonick:
   

Originally posted by Shadrach:
  By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke.

you'd have to go to a LOT of concerts and stand by a LOT of people who smoked a LOT before second hand smoke really fucked your health up.
 
   and ggw can pull whatever shit off of the internet he wants.  but i doubt any of you non smokers are going to be huffing and puffing up the stairs anytime soon because i had a stogie near you one night at the black cat
 
  k? [/b]

Cool dude, Let's stand next to each other at the next sold out show and I'll spit my tobacco juice all over your shoes, shirt and stogie. Same thing, right? Right.

[chaz]

Originally posted by Relaxer:
   

Originally posted by the sonick:
   

Originally posted by Shadrach:
  By bad for "your" health I am referring to the people that are forced to breath second hand smoke.

you'd have to go to a LOT of concerts and stand by a LOT of people who smoked a LOT before second hand smoke really fucked your health up.
 
   and ggw can pull whatever shit off of the internet he wants.  but i doubt any of you non smokers are going to be huffing and puffing up the stairs anytime soon because i had a stogie near you one night at the black cat
 
  k? [/b]

Cool dude, Let's stand next to each other at the next sold out show and I'll spit my tobacco juice all over your shoes, shirt and stogie. Same thing, right? Right. [/b]

Believe me, I understand your frustration with what he's saying, but no, not the same thing at all.