DC Area Voters

[manimtired]

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  The American economy is in free fall, and all anyone cares about is what some religious nut says about race. I'll bet Bush's pastor told some crock and bull story about Jesus dying on the cross and rising up to heaven. Why weren't people up in arms about that?

edgy

[Frank Gallagher]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  I assume you mean Governor Paterson - the blind one.
 
   

Originally posted by 47 YEAR OLD VIRGIN:
   

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  When will Hillary disavow her association with Satan worshippers?
 
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Call me a NY governor but I'd totally do her. [/b]

[/b]

I take no shame in admitting I have a thing for redheads.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by callat703:
   

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 
  nevertheless, i think kurtz is right in that obama never truly distances himself from wright and his fantasies, but by rationalizing them via white concerns about other races.  why should either be rationalized- the fact is there are people who are perfectly happy keeping race in the political discussion and not moving on, that is what obama has to address.

Well, I think the point - which I happen to agree with - is that these issues can't be solved by ignoring them and keeping them out of the discourse. [/b]

fair enough.  my whole point is that someone who represents the black community has to make a stand and say race an outdated construct. . .that people who keeping bringing it up are not being constructive, but are only increasing people's desire to not discuss it.  as is evident by bill clinton and geraldine ferraro, even a liberal white man and woman can't make those statements without being called racist.
 
 course, i may be colorblind, but i do see class.

[Sage 703]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   

Originally posted by callat703:
   

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 
  nevertheless, i think kurtz is right in that obama never truly distances himself from wright and his fantasies, but by rationalizing them via white concerns about other races.  why should either be rationalized- the fact is there are people who are perfectly happy keeping race in the political discussion and not moving on, that is what obama has to address.

Well, I think the point - which I happen to agree with - is that these issues can't be solved by ignoring them and keeping them out of the discourse. [/b]

fair enough.  my whole point is that someone who represents the black community has to make a stand and say race an outdated construct. . .that people who keeping bringing it up are not being constructive, but are only increasing people's desire to not discuss it.  as is evident by bill clinton and geraldine ferraro, even a liberal white man and woman can't make those statements without being called racist.
 
 course, i may be colorblind, but i do see class. [/b]

I think that you're right - but can't we do that while acknowledging that most people still do see race?  Obama says as much in his speech - that he isn't foolish enough to think that he can erase race as a construct simply by virtue of his candidacy or presidency, but rather, that he can move us towards that reality.
 
 It is a hard conversation, and that's what makes this such an amazing, brave speech to me.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by callat703:
  I think that you're right - but can't we do that while acknowledging that most people still do see race?  Obama says as much in his speech - that he isn't foolish enough to think that he can erase race as a construct simply by virtue of his candidacy or presidency, but rather, that he can move us towards that reality.
 
 It is a hard conversation, and that's what makes this such an amazing, brave speech to me.

maybe it's because my perception of the race issue is different that others, but i would have much preferred obama directly taking on those who would rather inject race (and victimization) into every conversation or at least race-based objections, instead of trying to rationalize it across the board.  yes, it's a difficult conversation, but i really do wonder the desire of some people to want to move forward- that's what i would have liked him to address.  
 
 anyway, i appreciate this discussion- i certainly do not want to belabor this particular nuance, because i think we'll simply end up at agree to disagree.

[Frank Gallagher]

<img src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/618KSVZ8K5L._SS500_.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
 
 Take a pinch of white man
 Wrap him up in black skin
 Add a touch of blue blood
 And a little bitty bit of red Indian boy
 Oh like a Curly Latin kinkies
 Oh Lordy, Lordy, mixed with yellow Chinkees, yeah
 You know you lump it all together
 And you got a recipe for a get along scene
 Oh what a beautiful dream
 If it could only come true, you know, you know
 
 What we need is a great big melting pot
 Big enough enough enough to take
 The world and all its got And keep it stirring for a hundred years or more
 And turn out coffee coloured people by the score
 
 Rabbis and the friars
 Vishnus and the gurus
 We got the Beatles or the Sun God
 Well it really doesn't matter what religion you choose
 And be thankful little Mrs. Graceful
 You know that livin' could be tasteful
 We should all get together in a lovin machine
 I think I'll call up the queen
 It' s only fair that she knows, you know, you know
 
 What we need is a great big melting pot
 Big enough enough enough to take
 The world and all its got And keep it stirring for a hundred years or more
 And turn out coffee coloured people by the score

[manimtired]

Originally posted by callat703:
   

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   

Originally posted by callat703:
     

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 
  nevertheless, i think kurtz is right in that obama never truly distances himself from wright and his fantasies, but by rationalizing them via white concerns about other races.  why should either be rationalized- the fact is there are people who are perfectly happy keeping race in the political discussion and not moving on, that is what obama has to address.

Well, I think the point - which I happen to agree with - is that these issues can't be solved by ignoring them and keeping them out of the discourse. [/b]

fair enough.  my whole point is that someone who represents the black community has to make a stand and say race an outdated construct. . .that people who keeping bringing it up are not being constructive, but are only increasing people's desire to not discuss it.  as is evident by bill clinton and geraldine ferraro, even a liberal white man and woman can't make those statements without being called racist.
 
 course, i may be colorblind, but i do see class. [/b]

I think that you're right - but can't we do that while acknowledging that most people still do see race?  Obama says as much in his speech - that he isn't foolish enough to think that he can erase race as a construct simply by virtue of his candidacy or presidency, but rather, that he can move us towards that reality.
 
 It is a hard conversation, and that's what makes this such an amazing, brave speech to me. [/b]

It was an act of political necessity, not bravery.

[Frank Gallagher]

Originally posted by manimtired:
   

Originally posted by callat703:
   

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 [qb]  

Originally posted by callat703:
 [qb]    

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 
 [qb]
 It is a hard conversation, and that's what makes this such an amazing, brave speech to me. [/b]

It was an act of political necessity, not bravery. [/b]

Exactly...it wouldn't have been said at all had it not been for recent events regarding his spiritual leader.

[Sage 703]

Originally posted by manimtired:
  It was an act of political necessity, not bravery.

You really think that it was an act of political necessity for him to speak on this in the way that he did?  Most politicians would have thrown the pastor under the bus and moved on despite the backlash that would have resulted.  Instead, he took on the bigger issue - and that is a brave move indeed.

[Sage 703]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   

Originally posted by callat703:
  I think that you're right - but can't we do that while acknowledging that most people still do see race?  Obama says as much in his speech - that he isn't foolish enough to think that he can erase race as a construct simply by virtue of his candidacy or presidency, but rather, that he can move us towards that reality.
 
 It is a hard conversation, and that's what makes this such an amazing, brave speech to me.

maybe it's because my perception of the race issue is different that others, but i would have much preferred obama directly taking on those who would rather inject race (and victimization) into every conversation or at least race-based objections, instead of trying to rationalize it across the board.  yes, it's a difficult conversation, but i really do wonder the desire of some people to want to move forward- that's what i would have liked him to address.  
 
 anyway, i appreciate this discussion- i certainly do not want to belabor this particular nuance, because i think we'll simply end up at agree to disagree. [/b]

Agreed.

[manimtired]

he has too much of a history with his pastor to simply "throw him overboard" at this point.

[Frank Gallagher]

Originally posted by manimtired:
  he has too much of a history with his pastor to simply "throw him overboard" at this point.

Besides, that would've made him a Clinton clone.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Kind of like Silda Spritzer?
 
 

Originally posted by manimtired:
  he has too much of a history with his pastor to simply "throw him overboard" at this point.

[raebyddet]

"Incidentally: If you want to talk about contrasts, itâ??s amazing that on the same network featuring Buchanan, Sally Quinn did a great job this morning, as the networks were killing time waiting for Obama to arrive on stage, pointing out all the incendiary and unacceptable statements that preachers from Jesse Jackson to Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell to Billy Graham, have made over the yearsâ?¦and the absence of any real expectation that the white politicians who relied on their support give a major speech denouncing them and reflecting on race or religion in American politics."
 
 Tom Schaller
 
 http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=03&year=2008&base_name=we_the_people#105120

[godsshoeshine]

Originally posted by 47 YEAR OLD VIRGIN:
  ]I wasn't looking for the fucking speech, I was trying to find out his news outlet of choice.

glad you read it
 
 i like real clear, but i dont really have a news outlet of choice. i suppose the post if you really made me choose, as i get it on sundays