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nkotb

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Re: DC Area Voters
« Reply #690 on: March 21, 2008, 11:29:00 am »
One thing I don't get is how Hillary supporters think she's somehow above getting totally bitchslapped by Republicans.  What does she have (besides 2 years more experience) that insulates her, in your opinion?
 
   
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Originally posted by 47 YEAR OLD VIRGIN:
   
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Originally posted by manimtired:
  i honestly used to want the repubs to have to take on hillary in the general election.  now i want obama...this is coming from a typical white person.
The repubs are with you on that one. [/b]

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Re: DC Area Voters
« Reply #691 on: March 21, 2008, 11:33:00 am »
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Originally posted by 47 YEAR OLD VIRGIN:
   
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Originally posted by manimtired:
  i honestly used to want the repubs to have to take on hillary in the general election.  now i want obama...this is coming from a typical white person.
The repubs are with you on that one. [/b]
i know..i am one

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Re: DC Area Voters
« Reply #692 on: March 21, 2008, 11:40:00 am »
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Originally posted by 47 YEAR OLD VIRGIN:
   
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Originally posted by manimtired:
  i honestly used to want the repubs to have to take on hillary in the general election.  now i want obama...this is coming from a typical white person.
The repubs are with you on that one. [/b]
i know..i am one [/b]
I never have been but if Obama becomes the dems candidate I may just have to come to the dark side too!!!

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Re: DC Area Voters
« Reply #693 on: March 21, 2008, 11:43:00 am »
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Originally posted by nkotb:
  One thing I don't get is how Hillary supporters think she's somehow above getting totally bitchslapped by Republicans.  What does she have (besides 2 years more experience) that insulates her, in your opinion?
 
   
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Originally posted by 47 YEAR OLD VIRGIN:
     
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Originally posted by manimtired:
  i honestly used to want the repubs to have to take on hillary in the general election.  now i want obama...this is coming from a typical white person.
The repubs are with you on that one. [/b]
[/b]
All Hillary's dirty laundry is already out, thanks to her husbands spell in the Whitehouse for the most part.
 
 The repubs don't really have any crap they can throw at her that hasn't already been thrown, but they'll dig everything up on him, and I just have a feeling his racist preacher is only the tip of the iceberg of Mr. Obama's dirty little secrets.

nkotb

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Re: DC Area Voters
« Reply #694 on: March 21, 2008, 11:46:00 am »
I can see that, but don't things like the release of her White House records (the NAFTA post above and the reports that she was in the WH during some of the trysts) add new fodder to old issues?  Seems those are prime targets for attack.
 
 
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Originally posted by 47 YEAR OLD VIRGIN:
 All Hillary's dirty laundry is already out, thanks to her husbands spell in the Whitehouse for the most part.
 
 The repubs don't really have any crap they can throw at her that hasn't already been thrown, but they'll dig everything up on him, and I just have a feeling his racist preacher is only the tip of the iceberg of Mr. Obama's dirty little secrets.

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Re: DC Area Voters
« Reply #695 on: March 21, 2008, 11:51:00 am »
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Originally posted by callat703:
  Hillary Clinton, liar:
 
  http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=300860
 
 
Depends on what your definition of liar is.
 
 I would say a liar is a person who makes statements that deviate from and perverts the truth.  If you were to take the time to read her statements carefully, instead of attacking her, you will see that she did not do this.  I would characterize Hillary's statements as "negligently deceptive."  Now, over the course of a campaign its only natural that candidates with a proven history of SOLUTIONS and RESULTS would make negligently deceptive statements.  This isn't a campaign of baseless hopes and dreams and balloons and lollipops.  Maybe in Candlyland everyone's statements are understood perfectly.  But here in reality this is just another example of the left wing media victimizing Mrs. Clinton.

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Re: DC Area Voters
« Reply #696 on: March 21, 2008, 11:54:00 am »
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Originally posted by Mobius:
   
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Originally posted by callat703:
  Hillary Clinton, liar:
 
   http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=300860  
 
 
Depends on what your definition of liar is.
 
 I would say a liar is a person who makes statements that deviate from and perverts the truth.  If you were to take the time to read her statements carefully, instead of attacking her, you will see that she did not do this.  I would characterize Hillary's statements as "negligently deceptive."  Now, over the course of a campaign its only natural that candidates with a proven history of SOLUTIONS and RESULTS would make negligently deceptive statements.  This isn't a campaign of baseless hopes and dreams and balloons and lollipops.  Maybe in Candlyland everyone's statements are understood perfectly.  But here in reality this is just another example of the left wing media victimizing Mrs. Clinton. [/b]
Mobius, you're really Mark Penn, aren't you?

Sage 703

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Re: DC Area Voters
« Reply #697 on: March 21, 2008, 12:09:00 pm »
Ah....context:
 
 http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/
 
 
 The full story behind Rev. Jeremiah Wright??s 9/11 sermon
 Posted: 10:09 AM ET
 
 As this whole sordid episode regarding the sermons of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright has played out over the last week, I wanted to understand what he ACTUALLY said in this speech. I??ve been saying all week on CNN that context is important, and I just wanted to know what the heck is going on.
 
 I have now actually listened to the sermon Rev. Wright gave after September 11 titled, ??The Day of Jerusalem??s Fall.? It was delivered on Sept. 16, 2001.
 
 One of the most controversial statements in this sermon was when he mentioned ??chickens coming home to roost.? He was actually quoting Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan??s terrorism task force, who was speaking on FOX News. That??s what he told the congregation.
 
 He was quoting Peck as saying that America??s foreign policy has put the nation in peril:
 
    ??We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism.
 
     ??We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism.
 
     ??We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel.
 
     ??We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.
 
     ??We bombed Qaddafi??s home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children??s head against the rock.
 
     ??We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they??d never get back home.
 
     ??We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.
 
     ??Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.
 
     ??We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America??s chickens are coming home to roost.
 
     ??Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y??all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don??t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.?

 
 He went on to describe seeing the photos of the aftermath of 9/11 because he was in Newark, N.J., when the planes struck. After turning on the TV and seeing the second plane slam into one of the twin towers, he spoke passionately about what if you never got a chance to say hello to your family again.
 
 ??What is the state of your family?? he asked.
 
 And then he told his congregation that he loved them and asked the church to tell each other they loved themselves.
 
 His sermon thesis:
 
 1. This is a time for self-examination of ourselves and our families.
 
 2. This is a time for social transformation (then he went on to say they won??t put me on PBS or national cable for what I??m about to say. Talk about prophetic!)
 
 ??We have got to change the way we have been doing things as a society,? he said.
 
 Wright then said we can??t stop messing over people and thinking they can??t touch us. He said we may need to declare war on racism, injustice, and greed, instead of war on other countries.
 
 ??Maybe we need to declare war on AIDS. In five minutes the Congress found $40 billion to rebuild New York and the families that died in sudden death, do you think we can find the money to make medicine available for people who are dying a slow death? Maybe we need to declare war on the nation??s healthcare system that leaves the nation??s poor with no health coverage? Maybe we need to declare war on the mishandled educational system and provide quality education for everybody, every citizen, based on their ability to learn, not their ability to pay. This is a time for social transformation.?
 
 3. This is time to tell God thank you for all that he has provided and that he gave him and others another chance to do His will.
 
 By the way, nowhere in this sermon did he said ??God damn America.? I??m not sure which sermon that came from.
 
 This doesn??t explain anything away, nor does it absolve Wright of using the N-word, but what it does do is add an accurate perspective to this conversation.
 
 The point that I have always made as a journalist is that our job is to seek the truth, and not the partial truth.
 
 I am also listening to the other sermons delivered by Rev. Wright that have been the subject of controversy.
 
 And let me be clear: Where I believe he was wrong and not justified in what he said based upon the facts, I will say so. But where the facts support his argument, that will also be said.
 
 So stay tuned.

manimtired

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Re: DC Area Voters
« Reply #698 on: March 21, 2008, 12:11:00 pm »
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Originally posted by callat703:
  Ah....context:
 
  http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/
 
 
 The full story behind Rev. Jeremiah Wright??s 9/11 sermon
 Posted: 10:09 AM ET
 
 As this whole sordid episode regarding the sermons of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright has played out over the last week, I wanted to understand what he ACTUALLY said in this speech. I??ve been saying all week on CNN that context is important, and I just wanted to know what the heck is going on.
 
 I have now actually listened to the sermon Rev. Wright gave after September 11 titled, ??The Day of Jerusalem??s Fall.? It was delivered on Sept. 16, 2001.
 
 One of the most controversial statements in this sermon was when he mentioned ??chickens coming home to roost.? He was actually quoting Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan??s terrorism task force, who was speaking on FOX News. That??s what he told the congregation.
 
 He was quoting Peck as saying that America??s foreign policy has put the nation in peril:
 
    ??We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism.
 
     ??We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism.
 
     ??We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel.
 
     ??We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.
 
     ??We bombed Qaddafi??s home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children??s head against the rock.
 
     ??We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they??d never get back home.
 
     ??We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.
 
     ??Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.
 
     ??We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America??s chickens are coming home to roost.
 
     ??Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y??all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don??t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.?

 
 He went on to describe seeing the photos of the aftermath of 9/11 because he was in Newark, N.J., when the planes struck. After turning on the TV and seeing the second plane slam into one of the twin towers, he spoke passionately about what if you never got a chance to say hello to your family again.
 
 ??What is the state of your family?? he asked.
 
 And then he told his congregation that he loved them and asked the church to tell each other they loved themselves.
 
 His sermon thesis:
 
 1. This is a time for self-examination of ourselves and our families.
 
 2. This is a time for social transformation (then he went on to say they won??t put me on PBS or national cable for what I??m about to say. Talk about prophetic!)
 
 ??We have got to change the way we have been doing things as a society,? he said.
 
 Wright then said we can??t stop messing over people and thinking they can??t touch us. He said we may need to declare war on racism, injustice, and greed, instead of war on other countries.
 
 ??Maybe we need to declare war on AIDS. In five minutes the Congress found $40 billion to rebuild New York and the families that died in sudden death, do you think we can find the money to make medicine available for people who are dying a slow death? Maybe we need to declare war on the nation??s healthcare system that leaves the nation??s poor with no health coverage? Maybe we need to declare war on the mishandled educational system and provide quality education for everybody, every citizen, based on their ability to learn, not their ability to pay. This is a time for social transformation.?
 
 3. This is time to tell God thank you for all that he has provided and that he gave him and others another chance to do His will.
 
 By the way, nowhere in this sermon did he said ??God damn America.? I??m not sure which sermon that came from.
 
 This doesn??t explain anything away, nor does it absolve Wright of using the N-word, but what it does do is add an accurate perspective to this conversation.
 
 The point that I have always made as a journalist is that our job is to seek the truth, and not the partial truth.
 
 I am also listening to the other sermons delivered by Rev. Wright that have been the subject of controversy.
 
 And let me be clear: Where I believe he was wrong and not justified in what he said based upon the facts, I will say so. But where the facts support his argument, that will also be said.
 
 So stay tuned.
hahaha...lol.  nice try.

manimtired

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Re: DC Area Voters
« Reply #699 on: March 21, 2008, 12:12:00 pm »
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Originally posted by callat703:
  Ah....context:
 
  http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/
 
 
 The full story behind Rev. Jeremiah Wright??s 9/11 sermon
 Posted: 10:09 AM ET
 
 As this whole sordid episode regarding the sermons of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright has played out over the last week, I wanted to understand what he ACTUALLY said in this speech. I??ve been saying all week on CNN that context is important, and I just wanted to know what the heck is going on.
 
 I have now actually listened to the sermon Rev. Wright gave after September 11 titled, ??The Day of Jerusalem??s Fall.? It was delivered on Sept. 16, 2001.
 
 One of the most controversial statements in this sermon was when he mentioned ??chickens coming home to roost.? He was actually quoting Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan??s terrorism task force, who was speaking on FOX News. That??s what he told the congregation.
 
 He was quoting Peck as saying that America??s foreign policy has put the nation in peril:
 
    ??We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism.
 
     ??We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism.
 
     ??We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel.
 
     ??We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.
 
     ??We bombed Qaddafi??s home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children??s head against the rock.
 
     ??We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they??d never get back home.
 
     ??We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.
 
     ??Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.
 
     ??We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America??s chickens are coming home to roost.
 
     ??Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y??all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don??t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.?

 
 He went on to describe seeing the photos of the aftermath of 9/11 because he was in Newark, N.J., when the planes struck. After turning on the TV and seeing the second plane slam into one of the twin towers, he spoke passionately about what if you never got a chance to say hello to your family again.
 
 ??What is the state of your family?? he asked.
 
 And then he told his congregation that he loved them and asked the church to tell each other they loved themselves.
 
 His sermon thesis:
 
 1. This is a time for self-examination of ourselves and our families.
 
 2. This is a time for social transformation (then he went on to say they won??t put me on PBS or national cable for what I??m about to say. Talk about prophetic!)
 
 ??We have got to change the way we have been doing things as a society,? he said.
 
 Wright then said we can??t stop messing over people and thinking they can??t touch us. He said we may need to declare war on racism, injustice, and greed, instead of war on other countries.
 
 ??Maybe we need to declare war on AIDS. In five minutes the Congress found $40 billion to rebuild New York and the families that died in sudden death, do you think we can find the money to make medicine available for people who are dying a slow death? Maybe we need to declare war on the nation??s healthcare system that leaves the nation??s poor with no health coverage? Maybe we need to declare war on the mishandled educational system and provide quality education for everybody, every citizen, based on their ability to learn, not their ability to pay. This is a time for social transformation.?
 
 3. This is time to tell God thank you for all that he has provided and that he gave him and others another chance to do His will.
 
 By the way, nowhere in this sermon did he said ??God damn America.? I??m not sure which sermon that came from.
 
 This doesn??t explain anything away, nor does it absolve Wright of using the N-word, but what it does do is add an accurate perspective to this conversation.
 
 The point that I have always made as a journalist is that our job is to seek the truth, and not the partial truth.
 
 I am also listening to the other sermons delivered by Rev. Wright that have been the subject of controversy.
 
 And let me be clear: Where I believe he was wrong and not justified in what he said based upon the facts, I will say so. But where the facts support his argument, that will also be said.
 
 So stay tuned.
hahaha...lol.  nice try.

Sage 703

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Re: DC Area Voters
« Reply #700 on: March 21, 2008, 12:16:00 pm »
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Originally posted by manimtired:
  hahaha...lol.  nice try.
Right, I forgot - anything involving reading or an attention span longer than 30 seconds is a bit too much...sorry guys.

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Re: DC Area Voters
« Reply #701 on: March 21, 2008, 12:17:00 pm »
manimtired and mankie must be so proud to be even denser than chris wallace
 
 http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=2f5bbade-1370-4276-8aa5-3544edf0857e

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Re: DC Area Voters
« Reply #702 on: March 21, 2008, 12:20:00 pm »
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
  manimtired and mankie must be so proud to be even denser than chris wallace
 
  http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=2f5bbade-1370-4276-8aa5-3544edf0857e
didnt i tell you that you have no room to insult people's intelligence?

Sage 703

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Re: DC Area Voters
« Reply #703 on: March 21, 2008, 12:23:00 pm »
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Originally posted by pdx pollard:
  manimtired and mankie must be so proud to be even denser than chris wallace
 
  http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=2f5bbade-1370-4276-8aa5-3544edf0857e
Good for Wallace.

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Re: DC Area Voters
« Reply #704 on: March 21, 2008, 12:52:00 pm »
Did anybody see the clip of that OTHER African-American anti-Obama/pro-Clinton insane preacher?  It's been all around you tube.  I watched about thirty seconds of it before I thought "here comes the crazy."
 
 Plus
 
 
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Originally posted by ggw?:
  Richardson endorses Obama
 
Saturday Night Live just hasn't been as funny since he left.
 
 Brian