Editors roll call :)

[vansmack]

Spoken like a true lackey of THE MAN...but that's why I live by the coast.  Way too unpredictable elsewhere in the state.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by vansmack:
  Spoken like a true lackey of THE MAN...but that's why I live by the coast.  Way too unpredictable elsewhere in the state.

indeed, the fog this morning was great.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  ahhh, paranoia.  
 

It's only paranoia when it's not real.
 
 Enron and the like have more than taught me that this kind of stuff is all too real.
 
 
 So Bede, why aren't you up at Bohemian Grove right now sucking it all up with your good buddies?     :p

[Bags]

Originally posted by Jaguar:
 I've been wondering if it's yet another Enron kind of scam where they are intentionally exploiting the situation and creating rolling blackouts even though they don't have any real need

Sometimes 103-115 degree whether all along the coast -- including possible highs of 105 in Portland, OR -- causes blackouts, too.    
 
 Not to mention that most regions of the country are experiencing record high temps, leaving little ability to move 'excess' power from one region to another.

[Bags]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  i wrote and erased a long bit about electricity markets, but i deleted it

Ha ha....so did I!

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Bags:
   

Originally posted by Jaguar:
 I've been wondering if it's yet another Enron kind of scam where they are intentionally exploiting the situation and creating rolling blackouts even though they don't have any real need

Sometimes 103-115 degree whether all along the coast -- including possible highs of 105 in Portland, OR -- causes blackouts, too.        
 
  [/b]

I'm fully aware of that. But I'm also fully aware of the kinds of games that Enron like corporations and the such play and have been proven in the past to play.

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by Bags:
  including possible highs of 105 in Portland, OR -- causes blackouts, too.        
 

causes me to black out

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by Jaguar:
   

Originally posted by Bags:
     

Originally posted by Jaguar:
 I've been wondering if it's yet another Enron kind of scam where they are intentionally exploiting the situation and creating rolling blackouts even though they don't have any real need

Sometimes 103-115 degree whether all along the coast -- including possible highs of 105 in Portland, OR -- causes blackouts, too.            
 
  [/b]

I'm fully aware of that. But I'm also fully aware of the kinds of games that Enron like corporations and the such play and have been proven in the past to play. [/b]

the unfortunate problem is that, for the most part, what enron did was that, under the rules in place at the time, there was nothing wrong with what they were doing.  enron owned no generation or transmission facilities, so there were no market power issues, all they did was market power and use the market rules to make money.  of course, that's the simplistic view of what happened.
 
 but, that's neither here nor there.  with extreme high temps running for almost a week straight, things are bound to break, not mention, electricity normally is able to be moved from market to market, but with all markets suffering the same effects, it puts a strain on the local facilities to meet their load.
 
 bags- i now know waaaaay more about electricity policy, and california policy than before (see vansmack's message about cpuc).

[indietastic]

This should be a great bill...Have seen all 3 of these bands before- Fico is right about Lake Trout, no more the Jam band.
 
 The Cedars tune Century is well done, really driving, me likes it!

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   
 as of right now, there have been no blackouts ordered by the california iso. . .in fact, i don't think there have been any blackouts anyway in the state. . new york and st. louis, that's a different matter.  

Apparently, according to this article, there have been. But maybe you are trying to pull a fast one by using some kind of ever so crafty political jargon with your use of the phrase 'ordered by the california iso'. Maybe they aren't state ordered; I don't know. But to the average reader, it comes off like there were no blackouts in Calif. period.
 
 There's also a pretty cool picture there of that fog you were talking about.
 
 With that said, the blackouts may be very warrented. I don't know. Understandable with the kind of weather in the area now and the demands. I just know that all of the different kinds of energy and oil companies are notorious for all of their dirty deeds at everyone elses' expense. After awhile, it's like that old cliché, 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.'.
 
 Bet there aren't any blackouts up there at the Grove!

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Jaguar:
  Apparently, according to this article, there have been. But maybe you are trying to pull a fast one by using some kind of ever so crafty political jargon with your use of the phrase 'ordered by the california iso'.

That article came out after Venerable posted that there were no rolling blackouts.  Up unitl that point, they hadn't been ordered.
 
 But that being said, we kicked a Governor out for exactly this problem, and I'm not hearing anybody wanting Arnie's head on a platter out here.  Maybe the PUC is getting more love from the Guvernator than they did from Davis.  Liar bastards, the lot of 'em.
 
 And for the record, I'm working with the lights out, but I'll be damned if I'm turning off my computer or my speakers!

[Jaguar]

True but that's when it was finally written and posted.
 
 Check out this phrase from the 1st paragraph: "another round of blackouts". That clearly states that something had happened prior.
 
 Christ, I'm sounding like a lawyer! I've been hanging around you too long! LOL    :p  
 
 BTW, I'm not trying to point fingers at Bede or anything. Just nitpicking, moreso at the corrupt elite (not meaning all elite are corrupt) than anyone here. After all, he's one of their slaves too.

[lily1]

boy and i will be at the show. looking forward to checking out fico's band for the first time!

[vansmack]

Originally posted by Jaguar:
  Check out this phrase from the 1st paragraph: "another round of blackouts". That clearly states that something had happened prior.
 
 .....
 
 BTW, I'm not trying to point fingers at Bede or anything. Just nitpicking, moreso at the corrupt elite (not meaning all elite are corrupt) than anyone here. After all, he's one of their slaves too.

We have these rolling blackouts once every few years, so I believe the author is just pointing out that's it looks like it be happening again.  Just like "another wave of forest fires" - that simply means that it's the fall again in SoCal.
 
 Like terror threat levels, we have Energy stages.  This is going to sound more and more like a Daily Show skit, but this is how we roll in CA.  Stage 1 simply asks consumers to voluntarily conserve power usage, and when it's hot as hell, nobody does that. Especially when its hot at night.  A Stage 2 emergency orders businesses under special contracts to curtail power.  
 
 We are currently at Stage 2 which is still a voluntary reduction in energy usage for all but those businesses (I work for one of those businesses).  As an incentive, if you stay below a certain level, you get discounts on energy prices.  If we get bumped up to Stage 3, that's when we get the rolling blackouts.    
 
 I think the PUC actually sends it employees home early to conserve energy in a stage two crisis, so that's why the decisions are made so haphazardly and nobody seems to know what's going on....and I am absolutely blaming Venerable for causing all of this.  They gave him the big bucks to move all the way across the country and fix this and in his first 4 months of being on the job - status quo.
 
 I'm starting a campaign to recall venerable bede a soon as I can turn my lights on.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by Jaguar:
   

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   
 as of right now, there have been no blackouts ordered by the california iso. . .in fact, i don't think there have been any blackouts anyway in the state. . new york and st. louis, that's a different matter.  

Apparently, according to this article, there have been. But maybe you are trying to pull a fast one by using some kind of ever so crafty political jargon with your use of the phrase 'ordered by the california iso'. Maybe they aren't state ordered; I don't know. But to the average reader, it comes off like there were no blackouts in Calif. period.
 
 
 With that said, the blackouts may be very warrented. I don't know. Understandable with the kind of weather in the area now and the demands. I just know that all of the different kinds of energy and oil companies are notorious for all of their dirty deeds at everyone elses' expense. After awhile, it's like that old cliché, 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.'.
 
 Bet there aren't any blackouts up there at the Grove! [/b]

at this time, there have been no ordered blackouts by the california iso, which is the group that manages the reliability of the grid.  the blackouts discussed in the article are due to heat strain and/or fires near transmission lines that would threaten reliability.  in any event. . .the california iso has a price cap on wholesale sales of electricity in the state.
 
 again. . .this is really nothing more than paranoia based on something where you have no idea what's going on.  this same situation is going on all throughout this country- st. louis and nyc all are experiencing the same heat-related power failures.
 
 the grove?  i have no idea where/what that is. . i do like spending fall at the meadows, though.