Author Topic: Rally to Restore Sanity/Keep Fear Alive  (Read 38733 times)

vansmack

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Re: Rally to Restore Sanity/Keep Fear Alive
« Reply #120 on: November 03, 2010, 12:53:17 pm »
However, it really is pathetic they don't legalize it the right way when the cartels make 75-90% of their profits off pot.

Patently false.

The Mexican Government has claimed that up to 50% of the cartels profits come from cannabis, however a RAND study argued that less than $2 billion a year comes from cannabis, or between 15% and 26% of their total. California accounts for only one seventh of that due to the potency of locally grown pot. If RAND is roughly right then making pot legal in California would simply take about 2%-4% out of the cartels revenue.
 
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Thousand Made-Up Loves

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« Reply #121 on: November 03, 2010, 01:27:49 pm »
Fine. Shoot Prop 19 down. At least metro Washington won't turn into a refugee camp like So Cal will when Mexico falls to the cartels.

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« Reply #122 on: November 03, 2010, 01:37:21 pm »
2 biggest complaints that i hear about Proposal 19 (legalization of pot in CA)

- individual growers were allowed 25 square feet - 5' x 5' - to grow their own.  too small, people cried.
- would turn a mom-and-pop, DIY industry into Big Business, it'll be generic weed, all the same strains, profits will replace love of the plant, yadda yadda( neglecting the fact that a lot of pot in CA is already grown on an industrial basis...).

Man, I can't wait till all the Republicans start bitching when the now republican run House of Reps gets nothing done.

GOPers like to bitch on principle, but they won't be bitching about not getting anything done. All they want is gridlock.

not quite - they'll bitch while creating gridlock.  they'll continue to oppose anything and everything the dems put forth - even if it reflects the republicans' values and/or agenda - and will then point out how inneffective the current administration is.  that strategy is in part responsible for yesterday's succcess, why stop now?
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Re: Rally to Restore Sanity/Keep Fear Alive
« Reply #123 on: November 03, 2010, 01:40:54 pm »
Fair point.

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« Reply #124 on: November 03, 2010, 01:46:33 pm »
In my mind the election was more a referendum on democratic leadership than democratic policy.  Even if all Obama policy decisions have been rational, Obama has lost his ability to inspire the American public, and that truly is the president's most important role.  He had the Audacity of Hope and the Audacity to Win . . .but he's lacking in the Audacity to Lead.



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Re: Rally to Restore Sanity/Keep Fear Alive
« Reply #125 on: November 03, 2010, 02:15:17 pm »
2 biggest complaints that i hear about Proposal 19 (legalization of pot in CA)

- individual growers were allowed 25 square feet - 5' x 5' - to grow their own.  too small, people cried.
- would turn a mom-and-pop, DIY industry into Big Business, it'll be generic weed, all the same strains, profits will replace love of the plant, yadda yadda( neglecting the fact that a lot of pot in CA is already grown on an industrial basis...).

I also heard they were concerned that they didn't have enough "Dark Side of the Moon" blacklight posters to meet the increased demand.

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« Reply #126 on: November 03, 2010, 02:23:32 pm »
Fine. Shoot Prop 19 down. At least metro Washington won't turn into a refugee camp like So Cal will when Mexico falls to the cartels.

First off, I voted for it, and for exactly the foreign policy reasons laid out.  All I was doing was correcting the facts.  The cartels make much more money on cocaine, heroin and meth than they do on pot, and they make much more selling pot in states not named California.

2 biggest complaints that i hear about Proposal 19 (legalization of pot in CA)

- individual growers were allowed 25 square feet - 5' x 5' - to grow their own.  too small, people cried.
- would turn a mom-and-pop, DIY industry into Big Business, it'll be generic weed, all the same strains, profits will replace love of the plant, yadda yadda( neglecting the fact that a lot of pot in CA is already grown on an industrial basis...).

Nobody voted against it for those reasons though.  Sure those were valid complaints, but those are complaints of pot smokers, who overwhelmingly supported it.

Prop 19 failed because it wasn't well thought out.  Yes, current growers and dealers were opposed, but there's not enough of them to swing the vote.  Nobody bought the argument that we should not vote for prop 19 because the black market will collapse - the consumer was smart enough to know that with the elimination of the black market the price of pot will come down.

And nobody voted against it because 25 square feet isn't enough room - they'd vote for the ability to grow it in a tea cup.

Legalizing pot polled well back in April when it was seen as a way to shore up the state coffers.  But this proposition was different than the law that was proposed and it was so indecisive on how to handle the taxing of weed that it didn't do enough to convince voters that don't smoke that it's ok to vote for this anyway because you will see a benefit.  Thus it didn't garner the votes in Southern California that it needed to pass.  They also never should have put it on a mid-term ballot when turnout is low, especially among the young.

If they put it back on the ballot in Nov 2012, have a clear tax plan that benefits the state, and do more to protect the medicinal houses that already exist, I bet they can pass it.
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Re: Rally to Restore Sanity/Keep Fear Alive
« Reply #127 on: November 03, 2010, 02:23:54 pm »
2 biggest complaints that i hear about Proposal 19 (legalization of pot in CA)

- individual growers were allowed 25 square feet - 5' x 5' - to grow their own.  too small, people cried.
- would turn a mom-and-pop, DIY industry into Big Business, it'll be generic weed, all the same strains, profits will replace love of the plant, yadda yadda( neglecting the fact that a lot of pot in CA is already grown on an industrial basis...).

I also heard they were concerned that they didn't have enough "Dark Side of the Moon" blacklight posters to meet the increased demand.

Brian

i would say that more potheads, nowadays, listen to animal collective, daft punk and kanye.  everybody loves kanye.

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Re: Rally to Restore Sanity/Keep Fear Alive
« Reply #128 on: November 03, 2010, 02:25:18 pm »
In my mind the election was more a referendum on democratic leadership than democratic policy.  Even if all Obama policy decisions have been rational, Obama has lost his ability to inspire the American public, and that truly is the president's most important role.  He had the Audacity of Hope and the Audacity to Win . . .but he's lacking in the Audacity to Lead.




I mean, you get 8 years of someone that fucked up things before you and people expect you to fix it in 4. The general public I feel wants a quick a fix to every one of the problems which is what I think made people lose faith in Obama. I think if anything, Obama's shown more strength than most democrats. But he won't get credit for it because, the GOP, Tea Party baggers, and whomever have smeared his name as everything from a socialist to etc. And also, the party politics really were at the forefront blocking the process of getting things such as Healthcare reform passed. I think he's been doing all he can with what he has. Don't agree with everything he's done but, I'm not mad at him for showing he's proactive and wants to do his job.

Furthermore, that was his campaign when ran; the HOPE  and CHANGE bit. I honestly thought he was the better candidate out of all of them because he didn't come off so bat-shit crazy in comparison. He was stating what HE wants to do when he gets in office. And now, what he accomplished is a different story. Because even the president has a boss. On top of that, haters in the cut that want to stop what he's doing.

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« Reply #129 on: November 03, 2010, 02:34:14 pm »
In my mind the election was more a referendum on democratic leadership than democratic policy.  Even if all Obama policy decisions have been rational, Obama has lost his ability to inspire the American public, and that truly is the president's most important role.  He had the Audacity of Hope and the Audacity to Win . . .but he's lacking in the Audacity to Lead.

my favorite quote so far: "the republicans didn't win this election.  the democrates lost it".
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« Reply #130 on: November 03, 2010, 02:37:48 pm »
my favorite quote so far: "the republicans didn't win this election.  the democrates lost it".

If I hear Rachel Maddow say one more time "This isn't a referendum on the Democrats, this is a referendum on Moderate Republicans" I think I'm going to punch her.  And I don't hit chicks.
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« Reply #131 on: November 03, 2010, 02:42:52 pm »
She's no chick.

my favorite quote so far: "the republicans didn't win this election.  the democrates lost it".

If I hear Rachel Maddow say one more time "This isn't a referendum on the Democrats, this is a referendum on Moderate Republicans" I think I'm going to punch her.  And I don't hit chicks.

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« Reply #132 on: November 03, 2010, 02:53:29 pm »
2 biggest complaints that i hear about Proposal 19 (legalization of pot in CA)

- individual growers were allowed 25 square feet - 5' x 5' - to grow their own.  too small, people cried.
- would turn a mom-and-pop, DIY industry into Big Business, it'll be generic weed, all the same strains, profits will replace love of the plant, yadda yadda( neglecting the fact that a lot of pot in CA is already grown on an industrial basis...).

I also heard they were concerned that they didn't have enough "Dark Side of the Moon" blacklight posters to meet the increased demand.

Brian

i would say that more potheads, nowadays, listen to animal collective, daft punk and kanye.  everybody loves kanye.

except George W. Bush.  He's still bitter:

http://watching-tv.ew.com/2010/11/02/george-bush-kanye-west-lauer-today/

Actually, I didn't realize until a few months ago that the cover to "Merriweather Post Pavillion" was a trippy, optical illusion.  I think it works better with the vinyl than the CD.

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Re: Rally to Restore Sanity/Keep Fear Alive
« Reply #133 on: November 03, 2010, 03:45:06 pm »
Don't forget that some growers don't want to pay taxes.

this was a hilarious story about it.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130755883

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« Reply #134 on: November 03, 2010, 03:55:53 pm »
So who won last night? Leibowitz (Stewart) or Colbert?
It's kinda silly to be obsessed with Jon's real last name isn't it 'James Ford'?