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Re: What the f is wrong with the President?
« Reply #195 on: May 10, 2011, 03:11:14 pm »
But ziplocs open and close very easily.

Good point. But in your case, they are hermetically sealed shut, forever and ever.... unless you....

break on through (to the other side)!
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Re: What the f is wrong with the President?
« Reply #196 on: May 10, 2011, 03:17:28 pm »
SEDIMENT?!?  Just got out of the latest installment of Madea?

Wrong sediment.

She's talking about ziplock, not ziploc.


But ziplocs open and close very easily.
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Re: What the f is wrong with the President?
« Reply #197 on: May 10, 2011, 03:21:26 pm »
But ziplocs open and close very easily.

Good point. But in your case, they are hermetically sealed shut, forever and ever....


maybe you should upgrade that metaphor to FoodSaver Gang.  even they can be opened with scissors, but at least they're a little more permanent that ziplocks.

this symbolism isn't really working for me.  how about the Concrete Sarcophagus Gang?
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Re: What the f is wrong with the President?
« Reply #198 on: May 10, 2011, 03:29:30 pm »
Per wikipedia, Moderna American Liberalism "combines social liberalism and social progressivism with support for a welfare state and a mixed economy...voting rights for African Americans, abortion rights for women, gay rights and government entitlements such as education and health care."

Under what definition of "Liberal" does Obama not qualify?

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Re: What the f is wrong with the President?
« Reply #199 on: May 10, 2011, 03:36:12 pm »
Well for one thing, Obama doesn't play hacky sack.
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Re: What the f is wrong with the President?
« Reply #200 on: May 10, 2011, 04:19:13 pm »
Per wikipedia, Moderna American Liberalism "combines social liberalism and social progressivism with support for a welfare state and a mixed economy...voting rights for African Americans, abortion rights for women, gay rights and government entitlements such as education and health care."

Under what definition of "Liberal" does Obama not qualify?

You're getting nit-picky which does lead to a very accurate and detailed difference in the term. It also explains why so many people get so confused with the word.

I was taught that there are two types. Those from the John Locke school of thought which is the older Founding Fathers, truly 'liberal' form. You know, the pursuit of health, happiness and liberty providing it does not infringe on others.

Then it was 'adjusted' or 'expanded', let's say, to the John Stuart Mill form defined in your post above.

In some respects there are overlaps. In others, it places a Socialist expectation onto all regardless of choice. They both have their virtues and faults. The real problem sets in when any given person or group gets into power and exploits and/or abuses the system in some manner against the people. No such thing as a real utopia. No matter how much you try, it always ends up crumbling into a dystopia of some sort.
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Re: What the f is wrong with the President?
« Reply #201 on: May 10, 2011, 04:25:11 pm »
HEY RELAXER....




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Re: What the f is wrong with the President?
« Reply #202 on: May 10, 2011, 09:10:57 pm »



I was taught that there are two types. Those from the John Locke school of thought which is the older Founding Fathers, truly 'liberal' form.

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Re: What the f is wrong with the President?
« Reply #203 on: May 10, 2011, 09:15:11 pm »
Granted, I should've said "left wing" instead of "liberal" because that was how he was described by a few resident conservatives before the thread fell off the cliff into reptilian abyss but:
He has never come out in support of full abortion rights ("late-term abortions");
He has never come out in support of full gay equality (marriage);
And his healthcare plan is a sham that makes the insurance companies even richer.
Not to mention his very un-left wing foreign policy up to now.


Per wikipedia, Moderna American Liberalism "combines social liberalism and social progressivism with support for a welfare state and a mixed economy...voting rights for African Americans, abortion rights for women, gay rights and government entitlements such as education and health care."

Under what definition of "Liberal" does Obama not qualify?
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Re: What the f is wrong with the President?
« Reply #204 on: May 10, 2011, 09:52:35 pm »
Republicans have tried to tar Obama with the terms "leftist" and "socialist" to heighten the sense among the feeble-minded that he is something other than Presidential material.    But all Democratic presidents, including Jimmy Carter, have been center right, with Republicans just being further to the right.    Howard Dean, also painted as a lefty, in fact carries center-right views for the most part.

In fact, among Democratic candidates in recent years, the only one who probably really qualifies as left is Kucinich, and you see how far that gets him.   Fact is, most Americans don't care much for real lefty politicians, any more than they do for extreme right ones.   Either that or it's another conspiracy.
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Re: What the f is wrong with the President?
« Reply #205 on: May 10, 2011, 09:58:22 pm »
All completely true.
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Re: What the f is wrong with the President?
« Reply #206 on: May 10, 2011, 10:03:36 pm »
Granted, I should've said "left wing" instead of "liberal" because that was how he was described by a few resident conservatives before the thread fell off the cliff into reptilian abyss but:
He has never come out in support of full abortion rights ("late-term abortions");
He has never come out in support of full gay equality (marriage);
And his healthcare plan is a sham that makes the insurance companies even richer.
Not to mention his very un-left wing foreign policy up to now.


Per wikipedia, Moderna American Liberalism "combines social liberalism and social progressivism with support for a welfare state and a mixed economy...voting rights for African Americans, abortion rights for women, gay rights and government entitlements such as education and health care."

Under what definition of "Liberal" does Obama not qualify?

Actually, he's not even liberal in the Modern sense of the word! He's not taking from the rich and redistributing to the poor. Instead, he's stealing from everyone and giving to the already ultra super rich! That is not 'Socialism' of any form. At best, that's Fascist corporate welfare!

Also, to support your claims, Az:

He has not legalized or decriminalized marijuana. If anything, he's sent his goon squad after the somewhat legalized merchants and such. (Those grey areas really need to straightened out.)

He claimed he would get rid of the oppressive Patriot Act. Not only did he NOT get rid of it, he signed on to extend it and added to it to make it worse!

More wars!

Pretty much nothing about BP and the Gulf oil spill. (Many, many years ago, I use to believe that 'liberals' were big on going after big corporations about such corporate abuse and environmental disasters and corporate abuses. Either I was wrong back then or something has changed.)

He keeps letting the big banksters and other very large corporations rob from their employees and others while filtering all the money to the top CEOs, embezzlement style. You know, the stuff the Neo-Cons are often accused of (and often rightfully so). (Again, see BP above.)

Ultimately, there's really no difference between he and Bush which is why I often refer to Obama as Bush v 2.1 on steroids. He's just rachetted up all this mess to a whole new level! They both dance under the strings of the same puppet masters so it all makes perfect sense.

They keep going after small farms, the organic food industry and Amish farmers. Some states have already tried to take steps to prevent us, or require us to obtain a license, to have our own gardens! Some use the excuse that it's to prevent us from growing marijuana. What a load of crap! See, it's really the government in lock step with Big Agra to both destroy the 'competition' and gradually prevent us from being self-sufficient. That too is an aspect of Fascism.

I miss the old 60s hippy mentality. The good aspects where they were against wars, true equal rights for all, were into good clean healthy food and living off the land, against bogus business practices and abuses and were not afraid to call out their own when they effed up. For the most part, today's faux liberals are nothing of the sort! Too invested in the party line to recognize the difference. Not all, of course, but way to many have hit the wrong Kool-Aid bin and have lost their minds.

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Re: What the f is wrong with the President?
« Reply #207 on: May 10, 2011, 10:04:45 pm »
Republicans have tried to tar Obama with the terms "leftist" and "socialist" to heighten the sense among the feeble-minded that he is something other than Presidential material.    But all Democratic presidents, including Jimmy Carter, have been center right, with Republicans just being further to the right.    Howard Dean, also painted as a lefty, in fact carries center-right views for the most part.

In fact, among Democratic candidates in recent years, the only one who probably really qualifies as left is Kucinich, and you see how far that gets him.   Fact is, most Americans don't care much for real lefty politicians, any more than they do for extreme right ones. 

Weird Doom. We're both actually in agreement here.

Kucinich is one of the very, very few politicians that I actually like and would vote for.

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Re: What the f is wrong with the President?
« Reply #208 on: May 10, 2011, 10:21:10 pm »
Republicans have tried to tar Obama with the terms "leftist" and "socialist" to heighten the sense among the feeble-minded that he is something other than Presidential material.    But all Democratic presidents, including Jimmy Carter, have been center right, with Republicans just being further to the right.    Howard Dean, also painted as a lefty, in fact carries center-right views for the most part.

In fact, among Democratic candidates in recent years, the only one who probably really qualifies as left is Kucinich, and you see how far that gets him.   Fact is, most Americans don't care much for real lefty politicians, any more than they do for extreme right ones. 

Weird Doom. We're both actually in agreement here.

Kucinich is one of the very, very few politicians that I actually like and would vote for.


This guy is kind of awesome.
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Re: What the f is wrong with the President?
« Reply #209 on: May 10, 2011, 11:31:47 pm »
Yeah, and look who's sitting next to him: Del. EH-N. She could learn a thing or two from him.