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hutch

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« Reply #855 on: June 12, 2013, 01:38:40 pm »
Machado is hispanic.. just like Cabrera..

being hispanic means you have to do something extra to get recognition...

Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?


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« Reply #856 on: June 12, 2013, 01:44:50 pm »
Blah blah blah.

Cabrera plays for the Tigers....not really a major media market.

And he's a drunk who beats his wife, so that probably doesn't earn him any love.


Machado is hispanic.. just like Cabrera..

being hispanic means you have to do something extra to get recognition...

Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?



shemptiness

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« Reply #857 on: June 12, 2013, 02:52:02 pm »
God, Strop is awful.  What happened to him?

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« Reply #858 on: June 12, 2013, 02:58:55 pm »
I don't know, but he's not the same as last year...over it.

hutch

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« Reply #859 on: June 12, 2013, 03:41:44 pm »
Blah blah blah.

Cabrera plays for the Tigers....not really a major media market.

And he's a drunk who beats his wife, so that probably doesn't earn him any love.


Machado is hispanic.. just like Cabrera..

being hispanic means you have to do something extra to get recognition...

Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?



Machado beat his wife and drove drunk? Man, that is news to me but, yeah, playing for a small market team in Baltimore and beating his wife/driving drunk I could see why he has been ignored so far....

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« Reply #860 on: June 12, 2013, 03:53:00 pm »
Are you playing dumb or just plain dumb? Obviously, I was referring to Cabrera.

Machado seems like a good guy. The accolades he has thus far recieved seem to be on point with someone who has batted .296 and hit 12 home runs in his first 116 career games.


Blah blah blah.

Cabrera plays for the Tigers....not really a major media market.

And he's a drunk who beats his wife, so that probably doesn't earn him any love.


Machado is hispanic.. just like Cabrera..

being hispanic means you have to do something extra to get recognition...

Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?



Machado beat his wife and drove drunk? Man, that is news to me but, yeah, playing for a small market team in Baltimore and beating his wife/driving drunk I could see why he has been ignored so far....

hutch

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« Reply #861 on: June 12, 2013, 04:11:44 pm »
Are you playing dumb or just plain dumb? Obviously, I was referring to Cabrera.

Machado seems like a good guy. The accolades he has thus far recieved seem to be on point with someone who has batted .296 and hit 12 home runs in his first 116 career games.


Blah blah blah.

Cabrera plays for the Tigers....not really a major media market.

And he's a drunk who beats his wife, so that probably doesn't earn him any love.


Machado is hispanic.. just like Cabrera..

being hispanic means you have to do something extra to get recognition...

Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?



Machado beat his wife and drove drunk? Man, that is news to me but, yeah, playing for a small market team in Baltimore and beating his wife/driving drunk I could see why he has been ignored so far....

You're the dumb one jerky.. machado has been virtually ignored compared to Harper and Trout.

You were trying to say that Cabrera was ignored cause he is a drunk and beats his wife.. well whats your excuse for Machado? I guess he's also a drunk that beats his wife?

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« Reply #862 on: June 12, 2013, 04:16:13 pm »
I don't think Machado has been ignored. Harper has been overhyped. Though I bet they talk more in Baltimore about Machado than they do Harper.

Trout has put up the numbers to back the hype he has received.


Are you playing dumb or just plain dumb? Obviously, I was referring to Cabrera.

Machado seems like a good guy. The accolades he has thus far recieved seem to be on point with someone who has batted .296 and hit 12 home runs in his first 116 career games.


Blah blah blah.

Cabrera plays for the Tigers....not really a major media market.

And he's a drunk who beats his wife, so that probably doesn't earn him any love.


Machado is hispanic.. just like Cabrera..

being hispanic means you have to do something extra to get recognition...

Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?



Machado beat his wife and drove drunk? Man, that is news to me but, yeah, playing for a small market team in Baltimore and beating his wife/driving drunk I could see why he has been ignored so far....

You're the dumb one jerky.. machado has been virtually ignored compared to Harper and Trout.

You were trying to say that Cabrera was ignored cause he is a drunk and beats his wife.. well whats your excuse for Machado? I guess he's also a drunk that beats his wife?


hutch

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« Reply #863 on: June 12, 2013, 04:23:38 pm »
I don't think Machado has been ignored. Harper has been overhyped. Though I bet they talk more in Baltimore about Machado than they do Harper.

Trout has put up the numbers to back the hype he has received.


Are you playing dumb or just plain dumb? Obviously, I was referring to Cabrera.

Machado seems like a good guy. The accolades he has thus far recieved seem to be on point with someone who has batted .296 and hit 12 home runs in his first 116 career games.


Blah blah blah.

Cabrera plays for the Tigers....not really a major media market.

And he's a drunk who beats his wife, so that probably doesn't earn him any love.


Machado is hispanic.. just like Cabrera..

being hispanic means you have to do something extra to get recognition...

Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?



Machado beat his wife and drove drunk? Man, that is news to me but, yeah, playing for a small market team in Baltimore and beating his wife/driving drunk I could see why he has been ignored so far....

You're the dumb one jerky.. machado has been virtually ignored compared to Harper and Trout.

You were trying to say that Cabrera was ignored cause he is a drunk and beats his wife.. well whats your excuse for Machado? I guess he's also a drunk that beats his wife?


boy you really are a dumb one.. who cares who they talk about in Baltimore.. that wasn't the point of the article... the point was he's been virtually ignored nationally but talent evaluators rate him higher than Harper and see more long term potential in Machado than Trout or Harper whose bigger frames may lead to injuries.. did you read the article dude???

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« Reply #864 on: June 12, 2013, 07:03:48 pm »
Machado was not getting the same amount of press because he came up 3 and half months after Trout and Harper - Buster was doing a disservice to the reader by saying "a few months later."  As baseball is only a 6 month season, 3 and half months is a long damn time.

Now that he's played 100 games, people are taking notice. I will remind you that he finished his 2012 season with a .262 average and a high K rate, which led a lot of evaluators wonder how long it was going to take to be elite.  Kudo's to him for cutting his swing down, which has increased his average and replaced HR's with doubles.  It's a just a matter of time before maturity and strength turns those doubles into HRs and that's what the scouts are starting to see.

Why the scouts think of Trout as only a speed guy is beyond me.  He's got as much power, if not more, than Harper.  Sure he stole 49 bases last year, but he hit 31 HR's, or 9 more than Harper in the same number of games.  I would also like to point out that he's never been on the DL, so the idea that he's overly physical just because of his size is undeserved.  He's much more mature and smart about what he does on the field than Bryce Harper.

It was year ago today that I said Trout was better than Harper, and it still isn't close.  He's been better in every category.

It was sometime in September that I said Machado is better than Harper, albeit jokingly.  I think.
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« Reply #865 on: June 12, 2013, 07:08:30 pm »
Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?

I had this conversation with The Director last season. Cabrera's personal history is definitely part of it, and he's not known as the nicest guy when it comes to the media.

But there is a huge split in baseball coverage these days thanks to Sabermetrics - I'm sure you will recall our WAR discussion from last season and the various other categories we were discussing between Trout and Cabrera.  Those discussions are happening in the media too and that was reflected in the coverage of Cabrera's Triple Crown.  The new guard doesn't care about the old culture, when there is so much more data available today.
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« Reply #866 on: June 12, 2013, 10:21:49 pm »
Granted I'm old, but I still don't get why leading the league in all 3 categories - avg, hr and rbi - is pooped on by these sabers. 

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« Reply #867 on: June 12, 2013, 10:35:52 pm »
Cabrera was virtually ignored even though he got the triple crown.. can anyone seriously tell me that the same thing would have happened had he been an American kid from the midwest?

I had this conversation with The Director last season. Cabrera's personal history is definitely part of it, and he's not known as the nicest guy when it comes to the media.

But there is a huge split in baseball coverage these days thanks to Sabermetrics - I'm sure you will recall our WAR discussion from last season and the various other categories we were discussing between Trout and Cabrera.  Those discussions are happening in the media too and that was reflected in the coverage of Cabrera's Triple Crown.  The new guard doesn't care about the old culture, when there is so much more data available today.

Cabrera had the second highest offensive WAR last season.  7.8 to Trouts 8.0.  2nd in 2011 as well and he is leading the league this year.  Make no mistake Cabrera is a beast with the bat even with Sabermetrics .   

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« Reply #868 on: June 13, 2013, 11:53:14 am »
Granted I'm old, but I still don't get why leading the league in all 3 categories - avg, hr and rbi - is pooped on by these sabers. 

Cabrera had the second highest offensive WAR last season.  7.8 to Trouts 8.0.  2nd in 2011 as well and he is leading the league this year.  Make no mistake Cabrera is a beast with the bat even with Sabermetrics .  

And that's where the misunderstanding is - it's not pooped on, nor is it not recognized as being exemplary.

They just thought he should have finished second in the voting and not first, especially when you factor in defense.  The MVP is not supposed to be a Silver Slugger Award, it's supposed to be the Most Valuable Player, which includes defense, or, sadly, only on the rare occasion pitching.

No one's saying he had a crappy season or that it should be ignored.  Classic journalists simply had them reversed 1 and 2 from Sabermetricians because the historical precedent of a "Triple Crown," the history of which is mired in the few stats MLB actually used to track back in the day, is less relevant now that MLB tracks a multitude of additional statistics. 

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« Reply #869 on: June 13, 2013, 12:06:36 pm »
Granted I'm old, but I still don't get why leading the league in all 3 categories - avg, hr and rbi - is pooped on by these sabers. 

Cabrera had the second highest offensive WAR last season.  7.8 to Trouts 8.0.  2nd in 2011 as well and he is leading the league this year.  Make no mistake Cabrera is a beast with the bat even with Sabermetrics .  

And that's where the misunderstanding is - it's not pooped on, nor is it not recognized as being exemplary.

They just thought he should have finished second in the voting and not first, especially when you factor in defense.  The MVP is not supposed to be a Silver Slugger Award, it's supposed to be the Most Valuable Player, which includes defense, or, sadly, only on the rare occasion pitching.

No one's saying he had a crappy season or that it should be ignored.  Classic journalists simply had them reversed 1 and 2 from Sabermetricians because the historical precedent of a "Triple Crown," the history of which is mired in the few stats MLB actually used to track back in the day, is less relevant now that MLB tracks a multitude of additional statistics. 



Well the Angels didn't even make the playoffs.  So That is why Cabrera won the award.