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Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
« Reply #720 on: February 10, 2016, 05:46:18 pm »
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Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
« Reply #721 on: February 10, 2016, 05:50:25 pm »
then there were 6
why is carson still in this?
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Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
« Reply #722 on: February 10, 2016, 05:57:14 pm »
but I don't understand what you're saying about NH and Iowa not mattering.....

They are the internet equivalent of writing "first" in the comments section and nothing else.

Their diversity, in terms of ethnicity, age, gender and religion, do not reflect the general populous, nor do they reflect many of the swing states that actually matter.  Their populations are so small that winning 100% of both states would be wiped out with winning just 40% of South Carolina.   

They have silly rules do not match other states which serve to make their voting less reliable for future polling.  For example, the silliness of a caucus aside - to participate in the NH Primary, you can change you party affiliation for the 3 minutes it takes you to vote and switch it right back.

They are simply a self-created media circus who, if they didn't work so hard to maintain their "first" in the primary season, no candidate would spend 20% of what was spent there in the past 5 months.

And don't use people dropping out after IA or NH as an example as to why they are important - those were never runs from the beginning.  Jeb Bush being the outlier - if Texas doesn't save him on March 1, then more books will be written about his failed campaign than any of the winning campaigns, save for Trump.  But that's not going to happen either.       
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Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
« Reply #723 on: February 10, 2016, 05:58:37 pm »
then there were 6
why is carson still in this?

As long as people keep giving him money (which they do) that he can give to his friends running his campaign (which he does) then he will stay in this.

Plus black people in SC.
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Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
« Reply #724 on: February 10, 2016, 06:08:52 pm »
but I don't understand what you're saying about NH and Iowa not mattering.....

They are the internet equivalent of writing "first" in the comments section and nothing else.

Their diversity, in terms of ethnicity, age, gender and religion, do not reflect the general populous, nor do they reflect many of the swing states that actually matter.  Their populations are so small that winning 100% of both states would be wiped out with winning just 40% of South Carolina.   

They have silly rules do not match other states which serve to make their voting less reliable for future polling.  For example, the silliness of a caucus aside - to participate in the NH Primary, you can change you party affiliation for the 3 minutes it takes you to vote and switch it right back.

They are simply a self-created media circus who, if they didn't work so hard to maintain their "first" in the primary season, no candidate would spend 20% of what was spent there in the past 5 months.

And don't use people dropping out after IA or NH as an example as to why they are important - those were never runs from the beginning.  Jeb Bush being the outlier - if Texas doesn't save him on March 1, then more books will be written about his failed campaign than any of the winning campaigns, save for Trump.  But that's not going to happen either.       

well I agree with a lot of what you say but the conclusion could not be more wrong.... they may be a media circus, the states may not be typical, they may have ridiculous rules et etc but they do matter very much.. they would not matter IF we had a one day primary process.. but the way its organized what happens in Iowa and New Hampshire sets the table for the states that follow and impacts on the results from those states

For example, Obama's victory in Iowa mattered very much... we may not like the caucus process and think its all a bit of a joke but come on now...would you also say that Iowa didn't matter to Jimmy Carter? Or that finishing second in the wake of the infidelity rumours didn't matter to Bill Clinton in NH? Of course it mattered.

I think  in the modern day of parties selecting candidates going back to 1976 the only president who didn't win Iowa or New Hampshire yet won the presidency was Bill Clinton in 1992...that is at least ten cycles...


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Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
« Reply #725 on: February 10, 2016, 07:37:10 pm »
You've obviously never worked on a campaign and rely solely on mainstream media for not only your news, but your narrative as well.

I'll just start with Obama in 2008.  While winning in Iowa was nice, it signified one thing - he was the strongest proponent of ethanol.   That's all you needed to win Iowa in 2008 (I say that because that's changing now).

Our numbers before the Iowa caucus indicated that we were already beating Clinton and Edwards - two Carolina favorites - in South Carolina and that was going to be the moment when people took the campaign seriously.  Not Iowa.

Iowa was nothing more than a nice test for the on the ground organization.
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Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
« Reply #726 on: February 10, 2016, 07:46:09 pm »
You've obviously never worked on a campaign and rely solely on mainstream media for not only your news, but your narrative as well.

I'll just start with Obama in 2008.  While winning in Iowa was nice, it signified one thing - he was the strongest proponent of ethanol.   That's all you needed to win Iowa in 2008 (I say that because that's changing now).

Our numbers before the Iowa caucus indicated that we were already beating Clinton and Edwards - two Carolina favorites - in South Carolina and that was going to be the moment when people took the campaign seriously.  Not Iowa.


well I did my fair share for Obama.. but I completely disagree..winning a primarily african-american state would not have made people take the campaign seriously like winning an almost exclusively white state.... winning Iowa was not just a seminal moment for Obama but also the country...

but good luck with these alternate universe arguments of yours...

Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
« Reply #727 on: February 10, 2016, 07:54:25 pm »
but good luck with these alternate universe arguments of yours...
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Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
« Reply #728 on: February 11, 2016, 09:50:04 am »
Trump wants to kill the leader of North korea, on live tv.  I can see, why he is so popular.

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Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
« Reply #729 on: February 11, 2016, 10:31:13 am »
Trump wants to kill the leader of North korea, on live tv.  I can see, why he is so popular.

That's pretty much the kind of thing the leader of North Korea would do.
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Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
« Reply #730 on: February 11, 2016, 10:36:32 am »
Trump wants to kill the leader of North korea, on live tv.  I can see, why he is so popular.
can he just do rodman instead?
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Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
« Reply #731 on: February 11, 2016, 01:16:47 pm »
well I did my fair share for Obama.. but I completely disagree..winning a primarily african-american state would not have made people take the campaign seriously like winning an almost exclusively white state.... winning Iowa was not just a seminal moment for Obama but also the country...

but good luck with these alternate universe arguments of yours...

Good thing there's an election right now where you have the opportunity to prove me wrong.  Best of luck.
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Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
« Reply #732 on: February 11, 2016, 01:23:08 pm »
winning Iowa was not just a seminal moment for Obama but also the country...
Are you high?
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Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
« Reply #733 on: February 11, 2016, 01:50:08 pm »
well I did my fair share for Obama.. but I completely disagree..winning a primarily african-american state would not have made people take the campaign seriously like winning an almost exclusively white state.... winning Iowa was not just a seminal moment for Obama but also the country...

but good luck with these alternate universe arguments of yours...

Good thing there's an election right now where you have the opportunity to prove me wrong.  Best of luck.


I don't see how the fact South Carolina -or any other set of states- matters will prove Iowa and NH don't matter....sorry.

Remember you're the one who said Iowa and NH don't matter so if anyone has to prove anything I think its you....

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Re: Maybe we should just elect Trump president
« Reply #734 on: February 11, 2016, 01:50:52 pm »
winning Iowa was not just a seminal moment for Obama but also the country...
Are you high?

I don't get high anymore...I mean if someone has some blow to share sure.. but I don't see that happening anymore...