the weed, thread

[grateful]

The Science Vs podcast this week did a decent summary of the issue.  Not really sure how sciencey it is tho...

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into November, body count is rising...still don't know what's up

There are 2,051 confirmed and probable cases of lung injury in 49 states, and 39 deaths associated with e-cigarette use as of Nov. 5, the Centers for Disease and Control and Prevention announced Thursday.(11/7/19)

The big picture: Minimal progress has been made in uncovering the specific cause of these respiratory illnesses

yes a high percent were black market, but what changed, there have been black market vapes for over 5 years and didn't appear to be killing people until this summer

[hutch]

Pro tip: smoking kills

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Pro tip: smoking kills

no duh
but typically not 20 year olds
it's those who smoke for 20-40 years

vaping is not healthy, no doubt
but according to the CDC Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States
that's a scary number
so 39 just sounds like a rounding error in the scheme of things

[hutch]

You have data on people who vaped 20-40 years?

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of course not and black market vapes is the biggest unknown
but as I said there are not 20 year olds dying from smoking a pack of reds a day

[Julian, Bespoke SEXPERT]

of course not and black market vapes is the biggest unknown
but as I said there are not 20 year olds dying from smoking a pack of reds a day

What about Camel Blues? Parliaments?

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of course not and black market vapes is the biggest unknown
but as I said there are not 20 year olds dying from smoking a pack of reds a day

What about Camel Blues? Parliaments?

no Kools...what are you a racist

[Julian, Bespoke SEXPERT]

of course not and black market vapes is the biggest unknown
but as I said there are not 20 year olds dying from smoking a pack of reds a day

What about Camel Blues? Parliaments?

no Kools...what are you a racist

I don't smoke Kools, I be cool.

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vitamin E

Welp sweets called it
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/08/health/vaping-injury-vitamin-e-thc-bn/index.html
not a firm causation yet, but looking likely
The 16% who never used THC cut with E may have
been lying
just happened to have lung issues and were lumped into this

Hard to say the blackmarket vapes will recover
unfortunately in DC we are still in this crazy limbo stance and there are not legitimate stores that you can by regulated stuff
get on the ball DC and other states

[Julian, Bespoke SEXPERT]

Hard to say the blackmarket vapes will recover

What exactly constitutes "blackmarket" vapes? The big brands you see -- Kingpen, SmartCarts, Bape Vapes, etc -- are these blackmarket? (I understand there are probably knockoffs of "name" brands, but a legit Kingpen cartridge, is that blackmarket?)

If those are "black market", what are "non-black market cartridges"? If those are not black market, what is black market? Some home-filled thing that doesn't come in a cardboard box?

Pardon my ignorance on the subject matter if I'm not wording the question artfully.

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I am not sure either...there is no regulation
but those boxes can just be bought and from what I read, and put what ever you want in there
But at least in Seattle, you go into the place and they know the product and who they bought it from
so there is some level of trust there that they know the vendors and want to continue to do business

When I say blackmarket, it's the guys who sell them on the street or in these Pop-ups
you go and it's a lot of random vendors

So I'm not familiar with any of the 'big brands' you listed
But I'm sure in states like Colorado, Washington and Cali, there are credible vendors who you can trust

I personally don't buy the cartridges, pretty much all flower or 'sick' edibles
but I have a lot of friends who do and hope their source wasn't using this Vit E technique
who would have thought something like Vitamin E would be somewhat toxic when heated up and vaporized

I guess my comment is, how can you trust any on the market now
not like there is a test for verifying the content
I just think there are going to be crash in the price (gotta imagine that has already happened...but I don't know)
but when you can get for $5 what was $25, lots of people will buy
I have got to imagine that the people who make these cartridges have 100s of thousands if not millions of dollars invested in already made cartridges...and they don't want to lose their money

I only play a pot dr on the internet...I know very little on this topic on this level

[Space Freely]

The only thing i care less about than vape issues is transgender issues.

[sweetcell]

The only thing i care less about than vape issues is transgender issues.

^ this, ladies and gentlemen, it what we call "brand reinforcement".

[grateful]

who would have thought something like Vitamin E would be somewhat toxic when heated up and vaporized

This is exactly what pisses me off about the whole thing.

Your lungs are a special purpose organ whose job it is to enable the exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide between ambient air and your bloodstream.

Who would have thought that breathing anything other than clean air would be harmful? 

FFS anybody with a brain. 

Dont smoke. Dont vape. Dont use inhalants. Reduce pollution. Avoid breathing car exhaust and industrial cleaning chemicals.

Anyone who still smokes / vapes / inhales and thinks those things are risk-free is a moron.

#soapbox
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