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House of Blues Eyeing DC
« on: November 30, 2006, 09:40:00 am »
House Of Blues Seeks a D.C. Home
 Some Local Venues Fear Chain's Impact
 
 By Cecilia Kang
 Washington Post Staff Writer
 Thursday, November 30, 2006; D01
 
 The owners of the House of Blues, a popular chain of concert venues, are negotiating with the District to build a $120 million complex near the new Washington Convention Center that would include a live-entertainment hall, a hotel, retail stores and restaurants.
 
 The project would be an anchor in the city's revitalization efforts for an area just east of Mount Vernon Square. But the proposal has also sparked a debate among concert promoters about whether the Washington region could support the national chain without squeezing out homegrown clubs.
 
 The House of Blues, with 10 concert halls nationwide and four more in the works, is part of a sprawling live-music empire assembled by radio giant Clear Channel Communications, which is now the world's largest producer of live concerts and the second-largest venue management company.
 
 The Los Angeles firm signed a nonbinding agreement five months ago to develop the complex at Fifth and I streets NW, according to Kevin Warner, vice president of investments and acquisitions at the National Capital Revitalization Corp.
 
 "We see this as an opportunity to create a destination location," said Warner, who has led negotiations on the project for the quasi-governmental group, whose board includes members appointed by the mayor and the president. "This would not only be a tourist destination but also a business destination, as you think about its proximity to the convention center, Capitol Hill and the Verizon Center."
 
 Warner said the agreement between the House of Blues and the NCRC, which owns the property and would be the lead developer on the project, is similar to a letter of intent. He said he expects a formal contract to be signed within months.
 
 Some local music clubs have likened the arrival of the House of Blues to an invasion by a big-box national chain store that would crush local businesses.
 
 "We will lose half of our business, at least," said Seth Hurwitz, owner of the 9:30 club and IMP Productions, a concert promoter. "It's like a chain of hot dog restaurants opening next to Ben's Chili Bowl," a landmark Washington eating establishment.
 
 He and other concert promoters say House of Blues, which typically operates venues with capacities between 1,000 and 2,300 people, could lure performers with more money, edging out independently run venues that can't offer similar pay. The chain has even deeper pockets since being acquired this year by Live Nation, they say.
 
 "There are a finite number of artists that you can draw for this size of venue," said Michael Jaworek, promoter for the Birchmere, a club in Alexandria. "If another venue comes along the same size, there will be head-on-head competition. It's a case of Darwinism at that point."
 
 D.C. Council member Jim Graham (D-Ward 1) has expressed concern to the NCRC that the project would hurt local businesses like the 1,000-capacity 9:30 club, which is in his ward.
 
 "The 9:30 club is a very successful, locally grown business, and now we are actively soliciting competition for them in a way that would be very detrimental," Graham said. "I think we need to practice better judgment, and I don't think this is the purpose of the NCRC."
 
 The 9:30 club, which opened in 1980 at its original location, 930 F St. NW, and moved to its current location on V Street NW in 1996, has thrived in the District, introducing local audiences to the likes of Nirvana, the Smashing Pumpkins and Ben Harper.
 
 Representatives for the House of Blues and its parent, Clear Channel's live-music spinoff, Live Nation, did not respond to requests for comment on the deal.
 
 The House of Blues was founded in 1992 in a historic colonial house in Cambridge, Mass., with funding by a star-studded group of investors that included Dan Aykroyd, Paul Shaffer, River Phoenix, the band Aerosmith and Harvard University. The company eventually grew to become the second-largest live-music promoter in North America, but not without some controversy. Gay groups and others, for instance, have protested the occasional booking of acts whose lyrics advocate violence against gay people.
 
 Gary Bongiovanni, editor of the live-music trade publication Pollstar, said the sale of the company to Live Nation is likely to speed expansion plans.
 
 "House of Blues is the most successful brand in music clubs in the nation, and they have been successful by and large in every market they have entered," Bongiovanni said.
 
 The arrival of a House of Blues club does not necessarily portend problems for others, Bongiovanni said. Chicago's famous Park West club has survived, as have numerous smaller venues, since the chain arrived in the Windy City.
 
 "Should [Washington concert promoters] be worried that House of Blues is coming? Of course," Bongiovanni said. "But there are certain acts that will play at House of Blues and certain that will play at the 9:30 club and certain that will play at other places like the Black Cat. It doesn't have to mean the end of local clubs."
 
 More competition can sometimes translate into higher ticket prices, as clubs are forced to increase the money they bid for acts, Bongiovanni and others said.
 
 The NCRC's Warner, however, said his office studied the impact that House of Blues would have on local music promoters and venues and found that there were a large number of artists searching for medium-size venues.
 
 "This will open up even more opportunity for national, international and local artists to come to the District," Warner said.

Re: House of Blues Eyeing DC
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2006, 10:17:00 am »
I will be the first to pledge my allegiance to the 9:30 Club, and, um, the Birchmere. I will not atttend any shows at the House of Blues.
 
 Who else is on board?

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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2006, 10:23:00 am »
House of Blues always seemed so cheesey to me...kind of like a Hard Rock Cafe for conerts or something.
 
 Death to House of Blues!
 
 I wonder how their message board is though.....

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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2006, 10:33:00 am »
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  More competition can sometimes translate into higher ticket prices, as clubs are forced to increase the money they bid for acts, Bongiovanni and others said.
 
That's a scary thought.
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2006, 10:36:00 am »
Where do we sign on as investors in order for Seth and Co to build their own larger venue to compete with the those out of town carpetbaggers...  If only so that  there isn't anymore moaning about the sound at DAR...  
 
 And while they are at it how about that 9:33 backstage for DJ nights and smaller acts.   There a couple of us DJs which would dig a room to spin in on a regular basis.  The sound system at 9:32 this year would have been blasted to pump some infectious beats through...
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Re: House of Blues Eyeing DC
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2006, 10:38:00 am »
Let the  boycott  begin!!!!

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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2006, 10:46:00 am »
I would definitely avoid going there if one came to DC...but I would sooner boycott going to certain concerts than pay higher ticket prices. I've been to the House of Blues in San Diego and Chicago and as a venue I think they lack character. And if you're a band, why would you want to play there? I know that they strike a deal and probably pay more dough if you can sell the place out, but Clear Channel is truly evil and having a House of Blues is like having a cancerous cell trying to take over all the healthy ones. Fortunately I think the 9:30 can atomic blast the hell out of a HOB. Fuck 'em, that's what I say.
 
 I really don't think we need a House of Blues in DC. What we need is a venue that IMP can use that holds 3,000 to 5,000 people in the city and near a Metro stop. That's the kind of place I would envision mid-level bands like the Foo Fighters playing so that people don't have to go to the Patriot Center (I know, it holds 10,000 people, but if you have a 5,000 capacity venue, you can have a band play 2 nights.) I suppose that Smith Center counts...but who wants to see a show there? Too bad we don't have something like the Aragon Ballroom or Hammerstein.

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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2006, 10:49:00 am »
With the growth this area has experienced in the last decades, I'm surprised the 930 Club hasn't had some real competition sooner.
 
 Besides, with the loss of Nation, there might just be a market for a club that holds significantly more than 1000 people.  Just kinda sucks it has to be the Clear Channel devil that brings that.

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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2006, 10:50:00 am »
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Originally posted by Señor Carlos:
  I wonder how their message board is though.....
maybe the competition will force them to turn on the search function, avatars, and post view counts
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Re: House of Blues Eyeing DC
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2006, 10:51:00 am »
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  Let the  boycott  begin!!!!
until there's a band there you want to see

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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2006, 10:53:00 am »
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
   
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Originally posted by brennser:
  Let the  boycott  begin!!!!
until there's a band there you want to see [/b]
NEVER!!!  :D

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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2006, 11:01:00 am »
Is a club really a club if it holds significantly more than 1000 people? To me, it's just a sports arena without seats.
 
 
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Originally posted by Alex:
  With the growth this area has experienced in the last decades, I'm surprised the 930 Club hasn't had some real competition sooner.
 
 Besides, with the loss of Nation, there might just be a market for a club that holds significantly more than 1000 people.  Just kinda sucks it has to be the Clear Channel devil that brings that.

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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2006, 11:22:00 am »
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  I really don't think we need a House of Blues in DC. What we need is a venue that IMP can use that holds 3,000 to 5,000 people in the city and near a Metro stop. That's the kind of place I would envision mid-level bands like the Foo Fighters playing so that people don't have to go to the Patriot Center (I know, it holds 10,000 people, but if you have a 5,000 capacity venue, you can have a band play 2 nights.) I suppose that Smith Center counts...but who wants to see a show there? Too bad we don't have something like the Aragon Ballroom or Hammerstein.
I will say, a 2400-3500 size venue is needed.  I am so tired of DAR for bands too big for 9:30 but with nowhere else to go.  Or Patriot Center.
 
 Though it will take away from some of the awesoem two-night runs at 9:30, which are way cool 'cuz you get to see a band that could play a bigger place in the best smaller club in the country!!
 
 Oy oy.  Prices will definitely go up.........

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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2006, 11:22:00 am »
Places like the Aragon Ballroom or the Riviera (venues in Chicago) hold 5,500 and 2,500 people respectively and are old ballrooms and theaters. Same thing the Warfield (in SF). They're hardly sports arenas.

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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2006, 11:32:00 am »
So you're saying more competition will drive the prices up? What kind of economic theory is that?
 
 I just don't see the point of seeing a band in a 2400-3500 capacity venue. At that point, it's not an artistic performance, it's an event. Yuck.
 
 
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Originally posted by bearman:
  I really don't think we need a House of Blues in DC. What we need is a venue that IMP can use that holds 3,000 to 5,000 people in the city and near a Metro stop. That's the kind of place I would envision mid-level bands like the Foo Fighters playing so that people don't have to go to the Patriot Center (I know, it holds 10,000 people, but if you have a 5,000 capacity venue, you can have a band play 2 nights.) I suppose that Smith Center counts...but who wants to see a show there? Too bad we don't have something like the Aragon Ballroom or Hammerstein.
I will say, a 2400-3500 size venue is needed.  I am so tired of DAR for bands too big for 9:30 but with nowhere else to go.  Or Patriot Center.
 
 Though it will take away from some of the awesoem two-night runs at 9:30, which are way cool 'cuz you get to see a band that could play a bigger place in the best smaller club in the country!!
 
 Oy oy.  Prices will definitely go up......... [/b]