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[Yank]

Originally posted by Bags:
  200% inflation in a year.  Wow, things were rough when you were a kid, twat.  Wonder why my cost of living salary increase was only 3%?

Bags, I think the numbers that you're throwing about are probably inflated too.  The truth will more than likely be less...but what do I know?

[Yank]

Originally posted by mankie:
   

Originally posted by PseudoScouseTwat:
   

Originally posted by mankie:
     

Originally posted by PseudoScouseTwat:
 

 Where would I be without you Mankie? [/b]

You don't really want me to answer that do you?
         [/b]

Not really!  Let's talk about Jordon and her plastic surgeon.  Pretty good, huh? [/b]

Please tell, I'm not up to speed on that, I read the BBC website not The Sun. Is she still with that knobhead Dwight Yorke? [/b]

I don't know who she's dating, but I do know that he's very angry with that one guy (Peter) who's always got his hands on her.  The boyfriend is threatening to go to Australia to beat the you know what out of him.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by mark e smith:
   

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   we have to find new sources of oil and/or natural gas.  

How much of the oil used in the US is actually produced domestically?
 
 I thought Iraq was the new Alaska? Sand vs Snow....
 
 The last oil crisis destroyed American car companies, I mean who wanted a 4-cylinder Mustang, that still had crap fuel economy? When the next energy crisis comes along Ford and GM are going to be so well prepared and they will take over the world....... Or maybe not. Toyota is making a hybrid SUV for sale this year. Toyata are now worth more that Ford, GM and Daimler Chrysler put together........ [/b]

according to eia, we imported around 53% of oil for domestic use, but that's expected to increase every year. . .the lower 48 states will produce around 5 million barrels per day for the next 4 years, after that it's a decline.  from existing wells, alaska will produce nearly 1 million barrels per day through 2016.  also, when the price of oil fell in the late 90s, a lot of wells in texas and oklahoma closed because of the high cost of extracting oil - in other words, it wasn't profitable.

[keithstg]

Originally posted by Bags:
  Well guiny, I didn't think you would experience your $7000 in one day, one week or even one year.  That would happen over matter of years.  But I'll bet you have lost twice your rebate by this time in fees, costs, etc.
 
 Believe me or not, I don't care -- it's your money.  Hope you really enjoyed the $150.

Think, bet, probably... Seriously, some semblance of real numbers, or even an educated guess would help whatever point it is your making. Sorry to sound overly Rhett...

[markie]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  according to eia, we imported around 53% of oil for domestic use, but that's expected to increase every year

So the reality is, if the mpg of vehicles was doubled, America woild not have to import oil, well for now at least. So the people with SUV's should probably take the save Alaska bumper stickers off of their Escalades and Hummer's.

[ggw]

Originally posted by keithstg:
 Think, bet, probably... Seriously, some semblance of real numbers, or even an educated guess would help whatever point it is your making. Sorry to sound overly Rhett...

Why let silly things like facts and reality get in the way of a good emotional outburst?

[godsshoeshine]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   

Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
  clearly these are all things that are mike moore or janet jackson's boob's fault. or not enough people getting married to the opposite sex. but seriously, i don't see how economic conservatives aren't freaking out. some members of congress are starting to say stuff in the papers, i guess...

Because economic conservatives are more afraid of democrats and their class-warfare, wealth-confiscation, scare-mongering than they are of Bush. [/b]

scaremongering? republicans can't play that card after the wmd fiasco. just because your party nominated and elected a guy doesn't make him perfect. people vote for republicans because they are supposed to be good with money. and jesus.
 
 and why are taxes the greatest evil in the world? when clinton raised taxes, i couldn't tell, when bush lowered them i couldn't tell either. if deficit spending is ok, why not cut taxes to 0 and borrow the whole $1.3 trillion budget?

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by mark e smith:
  So the reality is, if the mpg of vehicles was doubled, America woild not have to import oil, well for now at least. So the people with SUV's should probably take the save Alaska bumper stickers off of their Escalades and Hummer's.

as far as the automobile industry is concerned, they say that in order to increase mpg on suv's, they would have to make them lighter.  that is, in order to meet highway safety standards, certain safety equipment has to stay, but to meet proposed mpg regulations, an suv that contains all the necessary equipment as currently built would not be able to meet the proposed mpg regulations. . .they would have to skimp on other areas of the vehicle to make the car lighter, and would result in making that vehicle less safe.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

How about making a law to qualify for SUV ownership. You would have to have at least one of these qualifications:
 
 1. Head of Household of a household larger than 4.
 2. Proof that the SUV is used for occupational purposes.

[markie]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 

as far as the automobile industry is concerned, they say that in order to increase mpg on suv's, they would have to make them lighter.  that is, in order to meet highway safety standards, certain safety equipment has to stay, but to meet proposed mpg regulations, an suv that contains all the necessary equipment as currently built would not be able to meet the proposed mpg regulations. . .they would have to skimp on other areas of the vehicle to make the car lighter, and would result in making that vehicle less safe. [/QB][/QUOTE]
 
 Well its true and also false. Light cars take much less energy to accelerate. Cars with a small frontal area take much less energy to maintain at a particular speed...... So it does not look good for SUVs.
 
 But, they can be made lighter... The ones based on old fashined pick ups are woefully out of date, in terms of construction. You dont get many aluminium chassied SUVs....
 
 Also the Toyota hybrid SUV was getting something like 30mpg and good acceleration figures by storing energy from braking and coasting to later be used by an electric motor.... The same technology as their prius or the honda insight.

[mankie]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   

Originally posted by mark e smith:
  So the reality is, if the mpg of vehicles was doubled, America woild not have to import oil, well for now at least. So the people with SUV's should probably take the save Alaska bumper stickers off of their Escalades and Hummer's.

as far as the automobile industry is concerned, they say that in order to increase mpg on suv's, they would have to make them lighter.  that is, in order to meet highway safety standards, certain safety equipment has to stay, but to meet proposed mpg regulations, an suv that contains all the necessary equipment as currently built would not be able to meet the proposed mpg regulations. . .they would have to skimp on other areas of the vehicle to make the car lighter, and would result in making that vehicle less safe. [/b]

What an absolute load of bollocks.
 
 
 If we taxed gas by $1 per gallon I can guarantee you they'd find a way to make SUV's more efficient. I'm in favor of that by the way, put a huge tax on it and watch the SUV's disappear.
 
 Oil and auto companies are right up each others arseholes and we all know it.

[Bags]

Originally posted by mankie:
     

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
       

Originally posted by mark e smith:
 

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If we taxed gas by $1 per gallon I can guarantee you they'd find a way to make SUV's more efficient. I'm in favor of that by the way, put a huge tax on it and watch the SUV's disappear.
 [/b]

I'm in favor of that as well...our gasoline is way too cheap.  May be the only way to get some conservation and "new" technology going.

[ggw]

Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
 scaremongering? republicans can't play that card after the wmd fiasco. just because your party nominated and elected a guy doesn't make him perfect. people vote for republicans because they are supposed to be good with money. and jesus.
 
 and why are taxes the greatest evil in the world? when clinton raised taxes, i couldn't tell, when bush lowered them i couldn't tell either. if deficit spending is ok, why not cut taxes to 0 and borrow the whole $1.3 trillion budget?

I never said Bush was perfect.  In fact, my point was that he is merely better than the alternative.
 
 Taxes are not the greatest evil in the world.  But the political tactic of using them as a ploy to divide society into the haves and the have-nots is.  The haves already pay more taxes both in absolute terms and as a percentage of their income.  But the democratic candidates would have you believe that there are a whole host of special tax breaks that "the rich" receive that everybody else doesn't.  What are those tax breaks?  Anyone?  Anyone?
 
 I can't deduct my first two years of college from my taxes, although most can.  I can't contribute to my IRA anymore.  I could name a dozen other tax credits that I am unable to take advantage of.  And it's not like I'm pulling down $500k/year or anything.
 
 Now these "caring" liberals stand up and bemoan that there are "essential services" that are missing.  And they know just how to pay for them -- more taxes on other people who are already paying more taxes than them in the first place.  All of which is just a further abdication of personal and communal responsibility in favor of some glorious welfare state in which nobody has to do anything except sit on their fat ass and point fingers at those who have worked harder than them.
 
 bah.......

[markie]

Originally posted by Bags:
 
 

I'm in favor of that as well...our gasoline is way too cheap.  May be the only way to get some conservation and "new" technology going. [/QB][/QUOTE]
 
 Somehow I find that argument disappointing. Like going into the liquor store....... If prices were doubled would people drink half as much?
 
 I think the government has to raise the minimum mpg bar, or at least categorise all passenger vehicles as, erm, well passenger vehicles. Not light trucks. The American car industry will die if the government does this, or no.

[markie]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  bah.......

GGW had a rant!!!
 
 Cant we increase taxes for the mega wealthy, say the top 1% of earners? Cant we make companies pay a low level of tax on foreign earnings? Another 20 cents on gas and $1 on cancer sticks would get my thumbs up, too.