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Re: Fun Facts
« Reply #75 on: February 03, 2004, 04:43:00 pm »
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...tax gas by $1 per gallon
yeah, that's brilliant, so all the poor working class losers who have to live in far flung suburbs and probably DON'T work in offices downtown to which they can take public transportation will have to pay more just to get to work?
 
 I say more stringent mpg rules (like markie). Put the burden on the corporations, not the people. [/b]
Rasing the gas tax will trickle down and encourage auto makers to make more economical cars.  Remember the late 70's/early 80's?  If I'm 70 and drive 10 miles a week why should I pay the same amount as someone who drives 100 miles a week?  Perhaps if some of that gas tax $$ was invested in transit those guys could take pub. transportattion to work.  But most folks just think that building more roads is the answer to congestion.

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Re: Fun Facts
« Reply #76 on: February 03, 2004, 04:46:00 pm »
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 [Raise the gas tax and abolish the car tax.  That way, those of us the use the roads the most pay the most for them.  Under the current system a little Granny in a $40k Cadilac who drive to church once a week and grocery once a week pays much more for the road/highway system than a 500 mile/week corrolla driving commuter.  It's a flawed system. [/b]
not really...a 40K Caddy is a luxury item, that 500 mile/week corrolla driver is driving a reasonable vehicle, probably to WORK [/QB]
Allright forget the caddy part....it was a bad example.  But even if they both drive the same car why should granny pay the same amount for the roads when she does a fraction of the driving?

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Re: Fun Facts
« Reply #77 on: February 03, 2004, 04:48:00 pm »
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  let's make it so that the government dictates to the corporations what to dictate is best for us.  
 
 That's double-roll-eyes-worthy.
    :roll:      :roll:  
nobody cares what's "best" for "us" anyway...aren't matters like this basically shaped by the lowest common denominator of what government regulations and industry can agree to a "deal" on?

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Re: Fun Facts
« Reply #78 on: February 03, 2004, 04:50:00 pm »
State Fiscal Relief: Essential to Economic Stimulus Plans
 
 The current state budget deficit crisis has been widely characterized as the worst fiscal crisis since World War II. Almost all states are required by state law to balance their budgets every year. The economic slow down which puts additional demands on state benefit programs and declining state revenues due to federal tax cuts contribute to mounting state budget deficits. Current (state FY 2003) deficits are estimated at $50 billion and are expected to increase to $60-80 billion in state FY 2004 (which starts on July 1 in most states).
 
 The Natioanl League of Cities report:
 
 Overview
 A federal and state fiscal crisis that is the largest the nation has experienced in decades is trickling down
 to city governments, making it increasingly difficult for city officials to balance their own budgets.1
 Faced with $110 billion in state budget shortfalls in 2003 and 2004, state governments cut aid to cities for
 the first time in more than a decade. 2 3 At the federal level, the budget deficit is fast approaching $500
 billion dollars due to tax cuts and increased spending. Yet, the federal government passed a fiscal relief
 package that failed to address the needs of cities and their residents, or provide funding for No Child Left
 Behind and homeland security mandates.
 
 Cuts in state revenues can take many forms, given the realities and complexities of 50 different systems in
 50 states. These cuts came in a variety of forms: in revenue sharing programs where the state provides
 general purpose aid to cities or shares a percentage of a state-collected revenue source with cities; in tax
 reimbursement programs where the state backfills city revenues repealed, decreased or transferred by
 other state actions; in funds for designated purposes such as highway maintenance and construction; and,
 in funds to offset the costs of state-mandated programs.
 
 In some instances, states have cut revenues for cities, but are also passing along the authority for local
 governments to raise taxes. In North Carolina, the elimination of local tax reimbursements was coupled
 with the authority for counties to levy a sales tax, with an additional provision that the distribution of the
 sales tax revenue should hold cities harmless. Similarly, when the state of Minnesota recently cut state
 aid to cities it authorized the cities to raise up to 60 percent of the lost revenues through local property tax
 increases. While the extension of local tax authority is a positive development, it should also be
 recognized that state officials are passing along the political difficulty of raising taxes at the local level,
 often in lieu of raising taxes at the state level.

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Re: Fun Facts
« Reply #79 on: February 03, 2004, 04:53:00 pm »
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Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  let's make it so that the government dictates to the corporations what to dictate is best for us.  
 
 That's double-roll-eyes-worthy.
     :roll:        :roll:  
nobody cares what's "best" for "us" anyway...aren't matters like this basically shaped by the lowest common denominator of what government regulations and industry can agree to a "deal" on? [/b]
And you're in favor of that?

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Re: Fun Facts
« Reply #80 on: February 03, 2004, 05:00:00 pm »
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 scaremongering? republicans can't play that card after the wmd fiasco. just because your party nominated and elected a guy doesn't make him perfect. people vote for republicans because they are supposed to be good with money. and jesus.
 
 and why are taxes the greatest evil in the world? when clinton raised taxes, i couldn't tell, when bush lowered them i couldn't tell either. if deficit spending is ok, why not cut taxes to 0 and borrow the whole $1.3 trillion budget?
I never said Bush was perfect.  In fact, my point was that he is merely better than the alternative.
 
 Taxes are not the greatest evil in the world.  But the political tactic of using them as a ploy to divide society into the haves and the have-nots is.  The haves already pay more taxes both in absolute terms and as a percentage of their income.  But the democratic candidates would have you believe that there are a whole host of special tax breaks that "the rich" receive that everybody else doesn't.  What are those tax breaks?  Anyone?  Anyone?
 
 I can't deduct my first two years of college from my taxes, although most can.  I can't contribute to my IRA anymore.  I could name a dozen other tax credits that I am unable to take advantage of.  And it's not like I'm pulling down $500k/year or anything.
 
 Now these "caring" liberals stand up and bemoan that there are "essential services" that are missing.  And they know just how to pay for them -- more taxes on other people who are already paying more taxes than them in the first place.  All of which is just a further abdication of personal and communal responsibility in favor of some glorious welfare state in which nobody has to do anything except sit on their fat ass and point fingers at those who have worked harder than them.
 
 bah....... [/b]
but wouldn't you rather pay slightly higher taxes for a more stable economy? as in a balanced budget?
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Re: Fun Facts
« Reply #81 on: February 03, 2004, 05:04:00 pm »
SUVs need to get larger, not smaller.  Have you tried driving over the ruts in downtown Charm City?  I need a tracked vehicle.
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 Close the border to Canada.   We need to open the border with Mexico.  Let all of the central Americanos in and tax each and every one until they can't stand it anymore and miss good, old Tegucigalpa.

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Re: Fun Facts
« Reply #82 on: February 03, 2004, 05:06:00 pm »
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  And you're in favor of that?
I doesn't matter what I'm in favor of...I was describing how it is...
 
 I don't quite get your comments...your criticism of my argument against a gas tax seemed to leap out of context into a much grander scale...though it could just be that my attention is too divided...

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Re: Fun Facts
« Reply #83 on: February 03, 2004, 05:15:00 pm »
Every time I logon to a hot bboard topic...it suddenly withers on the vine, and dies.
 
 I know!  I must be a 'cooler'.   Just like in that movie...

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Re: Fun Facts
« Reply #84 on: February 03, 2004, 05:18:00 pm »
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  Every time I logon to a hot bboard topic...it suddenly withers on the vine, and dies.
 
 I know!  I must be a 'cooler'.   Just like in that movie...
I can fix it, Dupek.
 
 "Wilco SUCKS"    ;)

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Re: Fun Facts
« Reply #85 on: February 03, 2004, 05:25:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Dupek Chopra:
  Every time I logon to a hot bboard topic...it suddenly withers on the vine, and dies.
 
 I know!  I must be a 'cooler'.   Just like in that movie...
I feel that way sometimes!

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Re: Fun Facts
« Reply #86 on: February 03, 2004, 05:25:00 pm »
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 but wouldn't you rather pay slightly higher taxes for a more stable economy? as in a balanced budget?
No.  I'd rather the government spend less.
 
 But my point was broader than that.  My point was that some segments of the political spectrum keep trying to expand the state into unnecessary areas by putting more taxes on another segment of society who is already paying more.
 
 And a balanced budget doesn't necessarily lead to a more stable economy.  In fact, many economists recommend deficit spending as a way of smoothing out the effects of the business cycle (i.e., when the private sector can't make expenditures due to an economic downturn, the government should step in and pick up the slack through running deficits, which would be offset by running surpluses during boom times).  
 
 Moreover, when it looked like the government was going to pay off most or all of its debt, many people claimed that this would exacerbate volatility, as the most secure market instruments -- U.S. government bonds -- would disappear.

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Re: Fun Facts
« Reply #87 on: February 03, 2004, 05:33:00 pm »
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Originally posted by god's shoeshine:
 but wouldn't you rather pay slightly higher taxes for a more stable economy? as in a balanced budget?
No.  I'd rather the government spend less.
 
 But my point was broader than that.  My point was that some segments of the political spectrum keep trying to expand the state into unnecessary areas by putting more taxes on another segment of society who is already paying more.
 
 And a balanced budget doesn't necessarily lead to a more stable economy.  In fact, many economists recommend deficit spending as a way of smoothing out the effects of the business cycle (i.e., when the private sector can't make expenditures due to an economic downturn, the government should step in and pick up the slack through running deficits, which would be offset by running surpluses during boom times).  
 
 Moreover, when it looked like the government was going to pay off most or all of its debt, many people claimed that this would exacerbate volatility, as the most secure market instruments -- U.S. government bonds -- would disappear. [/b]
ok, i see your point, but mine (like 2 pages ago) was the conservatives should be pulling their hair out because not only are we now taxing less but spending more. and intruding on things that the government is foolish to put their hands in, like promoting marriage.
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Re: Fun Facts
« Reply #88 on: February 03, 2004, 05:34:00 pm »
I'm sure we can all agree that the Bush plan is just brilliant.  Decrease taxes.  Increase spending.  Worry about it later.

Re: Fun Facts
« Reply #89 on: February 03, 2004, 05:39:00 pm »
Isn't it great Bush wants to rid sports of steroids?