Nightclub Bill Seeks to Protect Underage Guests, and D.C

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

How did music save your life? WEre you suicidal? You're such a drama queen.
 
   

Originally posted by you be betty:
   

Originally posted by twangirl:
     

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  Not if they're at home reading a good book, or doing chores or working around the neighborhood to earn college tuition money.
 
     

Originally posted by you be betty:
  .
 sober kids can - and will - get shot, too.

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That's bullshit Rhett.  It's very sad that girl got shot, but she is the only underage person killed in a club. More kids have been shot at home or on school property than in clubs. [/b]

And furthermore, what the fuck are you trying to do?  Suffocate us?  
 I have sat at home and read plenty of good books and still have the time to attend shows on a regular basis.
 
 I went to the Black Cat for the first time when I was 13 and met two of the best people I know who I am still very close with now.
 I had a lot of issues when I was younger and I honestly feel that meeting who I met in those crucial years and being taken in by all the incredible people involved in the DC scene and KNOWING that there were other people into the same stuff that I was - meeting other passionate people who I could talk to and relate to a hell of a lot better than most of the kids in Bethesda...it probably saved my life.  I can easily credit music to saving my life.
 
 And I know plenty of other kids who were in the same boat as me.  The possibility that future generations of kids won't have the same opportunities that I had freaks me out.  We have a really wonderful thing happening in this city (at least, when it isn't contaminated by elitist hipster scum) and to lose it to some warped politics would be completely...I cannot even express... [/b]

[you be betty]

right.  clearly, i'm a drama queen.
 
 i'd rather not go into specific detail, but you can trust the fact that i'm telling the truth.

[Mobius]

I watched some of the DC Council hearlings Jim Graham held on this issue (thanks to the magic of TVs on ellipticals).  And I was extremely impressed and proud of the folks - from high school kids to older folks - who very articulately explained how meaningful access to the local music scene is to them.  Mr. Graham seemed to get it.  Apparently he didn't.  Which is sad, pathetic or tragic depending on your age and connection to the issue.
 
 Let's be completely honest.  Jim Graham is not motivated by solving any real issue here.   This is about him.  This is about him making a name for himself.   Not to get off point but his anal-retentive-chic style of dress suggests to me an air of self importance - a misguided self-importance.
 
 Therre is no connection between a sketchy club like 919 and typical music clubs.  If he's worried about violence - put cops on the street - which is where the shooting occurred.   Hold clubs where incidents occur.
 
 DC can be a really tedius place to grow up.  Much is defined by lame self-important d-bags.  But its a smart place.  And if you're drawn to music there a freedom to explore that - and connect with others with similar interests.  Now, we have a self-important d-bag who wants to drain the pool because someone took a crap in the urinal across the street.  Its infuriating.

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  How did music save your life? WEre you suicidal? You're such a drama queen.
 
 

I like how out of all the things said since you're last idiotic post, the only thing you respond to is Betty being overly dramatic. Not twaingirl's sensibly showing your argument to be one huge logical fallacy, oh no; you won't respond to that.

[Herr Professor Doktor Doom]

Jenny said, when she was just five years old
 You know theres nothin happening at all
 Every time she put on the radio
 There was nothin goin down at all
 Not at all
 
 One fine mornin, she puts on a new york station
 And she couldnt believe what she heard at all
 She started dancin to that fine-fine-fine-fine music
 Ooohhh, her life was saved by rock n roll
 Hey baby, rock n roll
 
 Despite all the amputation
 You could dance to a rock n roll station
 And it was all right
 It was all right
 Hey babe
 
 Jenny said, when she was just five years old
 You know theres nothin happening at all
 Two tv sets, two cadillac cars
 Ahhh, hey, aint help me nothin at all
 Not at all
 
 One fine morning, she heard on a new york station
 She couldnt believe what she heard at all
 Not at all
 
 Despite the amputation
 You could dance to a rock n roll station
 It was all right
 It was all right
 Oh, now here she comes now-now
 
 Jenny said, when she was just five years old
 You know theres nothin happening at all
 Yeah, every time she put on the radio
 There was nothin goin down at all
 Not at all
 
 Then one fine morning, she put on a new york station
 And she couldnt believe what she heard at all
 She started dancing to that fine-fine music
 Ahh, her life was saved by rock n roll
 Rock n roll
 
 Despite all the amputation
 You could dance to the rock n roll station
 
 Its all right, all right
 All right, all right
 All right, its all right
 All right, all right
 Baby, baby
 Baby, baby, ooohhh
 
 
 ps - Rhett, don't be a dick.

[you be betty]

yes Lou Reed ALWAYS saves th e day

[Bombay Chutney]

Originally posted by Mobius:
  Therre is no connection between a sketchy club like 919 and typical music clubs.  

Of course there is - The laws that govern them.  That makes for tricky situations sometimes.
 
 

DC can be a really tedius place to grow up.  

No - Bumf-ck, Iowa is a tedious place to grow up.  If you can't find way to entertain yourself in DC, you're not looking very hard.

[Guiny]

Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
 

No - Bumf-ck, Iowa is a tedious place to grow up.  If you can't find way to entertain yourself in DC, you're not looking very hard. [/b]

Bingo

[Herr Professor Doktor Doom]

by the way, is Nightclub Bill friends with Downtown Bob?

[MindCage]

Originally posted by Mobius:
  Let's be completely honest.  Jim Graham is not motivated by solving any real issue here.   This is about him.  This is about him making a name for himself.   Not to get off point but his anal-retentive-chic style of dress suggests to me an air of self importance - a misguided self-importance.
 
 Therre is no connection between a sketchy club like 919 and typical music clubs.  If he's worried about violence - put cops on the street - which is where the shooting occurred.   Hold clubs where incidents occur.
 

I've had several shows booked at Club Lime with the downstairs part of the venue holds weekly go-gos. No violence, cops on site, IDs being checked...you know the things responsible club holders do.
 
 I think each week the City Paper should have a Jim Graham section since he wants to be such a media whore. The City Paper loves Jim so much after he stormed into the Chief Editor's office. hehe
 
 MindCage
 Mindless Faith
 Deep6 Productions

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

That's because none of the followups really addressed my point, and I didn't feel like addressing the points of the followups.
 
 My point was that there are plenty of other things for children to do in the world, other than hanging out late on a weeknight in an adult nightclub. Most American children don't even have the option to hang out in an adult nightclub, and yet they manage to survive their childhood years quite fine. Betty, it's precisely BECAUSE you live in Bethesda that you even have the opportunity as a child to hang out in an adult nightclub. Try living in rural Nebraska.
 
 Now if you insist that I address the followups, which really didn't address my initial point, I will. What hard statistics prove that a child staying at home on a weeknight is going to be in less danger than a child spending the night in an adult nightclub? I have seen none. Really, you're not comparing apples with apples. Every child in America spends time at home nearly every night of the week. Only a small fraction spends time in an adult nightclub. I don't really see how you could compare violence rates for the two, even if there were rates that had been tabulated. Of course more children are killed at home than in adult nightclubs. Because 99% of kids are at home nearly every night, whereas 99% of children never set foot in an adult nightclub, and for those who do, it's most likely occasionally.
 
 If we're going to let ourselves make up the statistics, here's mine. I've probably been to the 9:30 Club for perhaps 25 concerts. Once, while minding my own business, a blindly drunk guy, unprovoked,  pushed my girlfriend, kicked me, and smashed a bottle over my head. Another time, a blindly drunk guy, unprovoked, started biting my ass repeatedly. Based on my observations, I have a 2/25 chance of being attacked at the 9:30 Club. Whereas in 40x365 days  of living, I have been physically attacked unprovoked only once outside of a nightclub...and not even once in my 25 years of being a student, grad student, and public and private school teacher. Geez, I guess that's undeniable proof that adult nightclubs are more dangerous than being in ones house or at school, right?
 
 

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
   

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  How did music save your life? WEre you suicidal? You're such a drama queen.
 
 

I like how out of all the things said since you're last idiotic post, the only thing you respond to is Betty being overly dramatic. Not twaingirl's sensibly showing your argument to be one huge logical fallacy, oh no; you won't respond to that. [/b]

[godsshoeshine]

if we eliminate rawk clubs, every teenager in the dc area will stay home every night. why didnt we think of this sooner

[Herr Professor Doktor Doom]

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  I have a 2/25 chance of being attacked at the 9:30 Club.

I think that says far more about you than the club  

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by They call me Doctor Doom.:
  by the way, is Nightclub Bill friends with Downtown Bob?

damn you !! you stole my witty reply to this post!!! i've been laughing about "nightclub bill" over here for several minutes straight.  he sounds like some kind of super-hero, protecting people from violence, secondhand smoke and other various pitfalls of going out in public!!
 
 does he have a cape?

[nkotb]

I don't think anyone would logically argue against that, but doesn't the mere fact that the 9:30 Club is "all ages, all the time" mean that it's NOT an adult club?
 
 Of course, that's not to gloss over the real point of your post.  A man assaulted you by repeatedly biting your ass?
 
 

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  My point was that there are plenty of other things for children to do in the world, other than hanging out late on a weeknight in an adult nightclub.