Author Topic: Joe Strummer R.I.P. (Read 80294 times)

ggw · « **Reply #120 on:** December 27, 2002, 04:42:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Celeste: raking in money is not a disqualifier, though I'm not sure that's what you mean...I would not discount video games as being "the new media", so to speak, though I can't say I'm into it<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I was trying to say that video games have already invaded the zeitgeist. Frankly, I was surprised to learn how large the industry was.I don't think of video games as a form of artistic expression, although I can see how others could argue that they are. Perhaps the resident gaming geek could cast some light on the matter. Markie?

Henry Dark · « **Reply #121 on:** December 27, 2002, 04:49:00 pm »

Well swinging seems to be the big new sensation in the UK, but it's not an idea I'm going to get into. <A HREF="http://www.feverparties.com/home.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.feverparties.com/home.htm[/url] <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ggw: Nam June Paik, who is considered the foremost artist incorporating video in his work, was in his forties when he got into the genre. And Grandma Moses, of course......Just because one is chronologically old doesn't mean one can't be open to new ideas.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Henry Dark · « **Reply #122 on:** December 27, 2002, 04:53:00 pm »

Well I guess the Joe Strummer thread has been officially shot straight to hell.

markie · « **Reply #123 on:** December 27, 2002, 04:53:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ggw: Perhaps the resident gaming geek could cast some light on the matter. Markie?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well I seem to be slipping behind the times as I get older as well. I never thought of games as art, but there are a crop of books right now showing stills from classic games. Are they cashing in on nostalgia or paying homage to some beautiful visual simplicity?then the games coming out now where you play on line creat totally immersive worlds. Stepping forever closer to say Lawnmower man or existenz.Right now the best of them are organised around killing. As soon as they become fully integrated with pornography I forsee the end of the world as we know it.And it is happening try this.... <A HREF="http://www.bmxxxx.com/over18index.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.bmxxxx.com/over18index.html[/url] or <A HREF="http://doa3.fateback.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://doa3.fateback.com/[/url] lets face it all entertainment is just "circus and loaves" and distracts us from the inevitabitlity of death.

markie · « **Reply #124 on:** December 27, 2002, 04:55:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: Well I guess the Joe Strummer thread has been officially shot straight to hell.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>ahh but we had a good debate, thanks.

markie · « **Reply #125 on:** December 27, 2002, 04:56:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: Well swinging seems to be the big new sensation in the UK, but it's not an idea I'm going to get into. <A HREF="http://www.feverparties.com/home.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.feverparties.com/home.htm[/url] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>been there, done that?

ggw · « **Reply #126 on:** December 27, 2002, 04:57:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: No, I meant I persoanlly don't care what the next big thing is, but I'd be interested in hearing what GGW thought the next big thing is. In fact, I'd probably find people's opinions in general about what the next big thing is to be more interesting than what the big thing actually turned out to be.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't know what the next big thing will be. I do think we are in a period of stagnation. In the visual arts, I don't think there has been a large scale movement of any consequence since Pop-Art. Video Art might be the next big thing, but I'm not convinced yet. In music, just look at all the new sub-genres - Garage and Electroclash are just rehashing a lot of old sounds. I read an article recently about how alt-country is retro as well, just hearkening back to the pre-commercial era of country music. Punk and Hip-Hop are big, but both are more than 20 years old. The good thing about stagnation is that eventually something breaks. Unfortunately, my crystal ball is a little fuzzy, so I'm clueless as to what it will be.

Celeste · « **Reply #127 on:** December 27, 2002, 04:59:00 pm »

don't tell me you like Pop-Art! UGH!

Henry Dark · « **Reply #128 on:** December 27, 2002, 05:00:00 pm »

Not going to talk about personal things like that anymore, but it's not something that interests me. I came across the link when looking for nude beaches to visit in Europe. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markie: been there, done that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

markie · « **Reply #129 on:** December 27, 2002, 05:03:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Celeste: don't tell me you like Pop-Art! UGH!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>how can you not like pop art? Lichtenstein, Warhol and Thiebaud are all greats. They commercialised art and made it more accesible, are you being elitist again?Good god I love that word.

Henry Dark · « **Reply #130 on:** December 27, 2002, 05:03:00 pm »

what is electroclash? is it just a coincidence that i first heard the word the week Joe Strummer died?

markie · « **Reply #131 on:** December 27, 2002, 05:05:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: Not going to talk about personal things like that anymore, but it's not something that interests me. I came across the link when looking for nude beaches to visit in Europe. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think you just contradicted yourself!I went to a couple of nude beaches. I always wondered why the women always wore big-black bikini bottoms.I think I understand now.

markie · « **Reply #132 on:** December 27, 2002, 05:07:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: what is electroclash? is it just a coincidence that i first heard the word the week Joe Strummer died?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>yep coincidence, although the clash have a song or two that could be tentatively called electroclash. How about Ivan meets GI Joe?I think of it as British New Wave. The clash of guitars with primitive electronica.I am probably miles off but that is what the stuff I have heard sounds like.

ggw · « **Reply #133 on:** December 27, 2002, 05:08:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Celeste: don't tell me you like Pop-Art! UGH!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Depends who it is.I would argue that Roy Lichtenstein is a genius. Did you ever see his exhibit of Chinese landscape paintings at the Sackler? Truly sublime stuff. He took all the devices of the past 400 years and wrapped them in a tongue and cheek package.Warhol was also great. Sure, he tuned into the commercial "15 minutes" superficiality of art, but that in itself is an accomplishment. If you look into his catalog deep enough, you see that he was technically gifted as well.Jasper Johns and George Segal get high marks from me too.Mixed feelings on Rauschenberg, I won't deny his innovation, but his works never did much for me. Oldenberg gets old (pun intended) after a while. You can only do so many oversized or soft household objects. And I can't stand Keith Haring.

ggw · « **Reply #134 on:** December 27, 2002, 05:13:00 pm »

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Henry Dark: what is electroclash? is it just a coincidence that i first heard the word the week Joe Strummer died?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <A HREF="http://www.phinnweb.com/313ctr0/electroclash/index2.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.phinnweb.com/313ctr0/electroclash/index2.html[/url]

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