the Penguins are STILL gonna suck

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 that would, of course, be assuming that there is no one on base, and giving no consideration to who that runner is.  i think you are short-changing baseball strategy simply because there are less moving parts, but there is certainly no less strategy involved.

sure, strategies change pitch-by-pitch, especially depending on the type of pitcher on the mound, but i'm really not short-changing the sport, there's a bunch going on in baseball and i'll be the first to defend it to people who rip on it for being boring ... we're really not getting anywhere here ...

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
 sure, strategies change pitch-by-pitch, especially depending on the type of pitcher on the mound

vs.
 
 

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
 i don't have any stats off the top of my head, but i would venture to guess that there are more pitches thrown in an average game, but that there is less strategy going on in directing the movements and responsibilities of the 10 people on the field for the single pitch than there is in a single play on the football field ... the reason for this is that many pitches the strategy will simply be much the same as the previous pitch (outfield shifted to the right, infield in, 2 outs, play's at 3rd, etc)

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by sonickteam4:
   

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
  that's why i love this forum ...  

i thought you liked it cause no one can smack the shit out of you when you say ridiculous things and act like a twerp? [/b]

i actually have these kind of friendly "bar debates" with friends all the time ... whether football is more strategic than basketball, or which band is better than another ... but usually they're just that, friendly, and don't lead to people "smacking the shit" out of each other
 
 what world do you live in?

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 vs.
 

your point?  i said that on many pitches the strategy will be similar to the last pitch, and i'd venture to say that that's right ... sure there are little shifts depending on the count, but things like lefty-on-lefty and the hitter's tendencies don't really change that much

[pip]

Can we talk about hockey again? Anyone else think that the NHL's new logo is completely pointless?

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
   

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
 vs.
 

your point?  i said that on many pitches the strategy will be similar to the last pitch, and i'd venture to say that that's right ... sure there are little shifts depending on the count, but things like lefty-on-lefty and the hitter's tendencies don't really change that much [/b]

little shifts?  so are you saying that baseball has discrete strategies involved too?  all i'm saying is that simply because one sport has more pieces doesn't mean that it involves more strategy.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by pip:
  Anyone else think that the NHL's new logo is completely pointless?

It will sell well in the ghettos, hockey's largest untapped fan base, but I'll tell you, orange is making a comeback.  I would have stuck with it.

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
  little shifts?  so are you saying that baseball has discrete strategies involved too?  all i'm saying is that simply because one sport has more pieces doesn't mean that it involves more strategy.

fair enough, well said ...

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by pip:
  Can we talk about hockey again? Anyone else think that the NHL's new logo is completely pointless?

courtesy of page 2's uni watch:
 
 Why Pierre Can't Read
 Anyone else think the NHL totally blew it when revising its logo from  this to  this? The silver motif is fine, the beveled effect is cool, and Uni Watch doesn't even mind the typeface. But having the lettering flow up instead of down (no doubt intended to make us all believe the league is moving onward and upward, oh boy!) is such a total joke that you've gotta wonder who's running the show over there. Oh, right -- Bettman and Goodenow.
 
 Memo to all involved: Just as our eyes are acculturated to reading from left to right, they're also used to reading from top to bottom. That's why the first line of this article is at the top of the page instead of the bottom, why beauty pageant contestants wear their sashes like  this, and why the NHL has uniforms like  this and  this  -- you're not planning to change those designs, are you? (Uni Watch hastens to add that this question is purely rhetorical.) As it stands now, all you've done is reinforce the idea that the NHL is amateur hour. Nice going.

[pip]

Originally posted by Venerable Bede:
   

Originally posted by pip:
  Can we talk about hockey again? Anyone else think that the NHL's new logo is completely pointless?

courtesy of page 2's uni watch:
 
 Why Pierre Can't Read
 Anyone else think the NHL totally blew it when revising its logo from  this to  this? The silver motif is fine, the beveled effect is cool, and Uni Watch doesn't even mind the typeface. But having the lettering flow up instead of down (no doubt intended to make us all believe the league is moving onward and upward, oh boy!) is such a total joke that you've gotta wonder who's running the show over there. Oh, right -- Bettman and Goodenow.
 
 Memo to all involved: Just as our eyes are acculturated to reading from left to right, they're also used to reading from top to bottom. That's why the first line of this article is at the top of the page instead of the bottom, why beauty pageant contestants wear their sashes like  this, and why the NHL has uniforms like  this and  this  -- you're not planning to change those designs, are you? (Uni Watch hastens to add that this question is purely rhetorical.) As it stands now, all you've done is reinforce the idea that the NHL is amateur hour. Nice going. [/b]

What I thought was cool about the old logo that's now missing is that, whether intentional or not, the "L" had the effect of looking like a hockey stick (someone had to point it out me... I wasn't smart enough to figure it out on my own). Going bottom to top, that's no longer the case.

[Venerable Bede]

Originally posted by pip:
  What I thought was cool about the old logo that's now missing is that, whether intentional or not, the "L" had the effect of looking like a hockey stick (someone had to point it out me... I wasn't smart enough to figure it out on my own). Going bottom to top, that's no longer the case.

well then, i trust that you realized that this isn't just a logo of a baseball glove-
 
   <img src="http://haymakerhockey.net/OOTP/logo19.bmp" alt=" - " />

[thatguy]

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
  that's why i love this forum ... practical solutions to my every-day problems ... muchas gracias ...

my pleasure.  it's what i'm here for.

[grotty]

Pens sign JOHN LECLAIR
 
 http://www.pittsburghpenguins.com/team/press/arts/1296.0.php

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

OK, the Penguins are quickly becoming the class of the East, unless there's major chemistry issues or something like that.

[sonickteam2]

ok, so whos willing to wager on the Pens winning their division?  I'd love to take someone up on that one!