are we less of a night owl city than we once were?

[chaz]

Originally posted by chaz:
  You are in truly rare form today Rhett.  I salute you.

Make that I "Salty Salute" you.

[Bags]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I've probably been to 150-200 concerts in my life...maybe more, and maybe one or two of them had an opener that was the deciding factor in going.
 
 But that's just me.
 

I tend to get to shows in time to see the opening band less often than several other board members, but I go to see an opener probably one in four or five shows.  And that's how I discovered the Rosebuds, Washington Social Club (whom I saw open for Hot Hot Heat, not on their own -- I hadn't heard of them yet), The Shazam, The Capitol Years, etc.
 
 Since Jan 1, 2004, I've been to ten shows specifically to see the opener (and left at some point during the headliner four of those times).

[Bags]

Originally posted by redsock:
   

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.  

DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point. [/b]

I was going to say the same...they got a lot of negative feedback on their "shows over by 10:00" policy.  Even on weeknights, as 8:00 is early to start.

[Bombay Chutney]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 But honestly, how many of the people who attended the GBV show could honestly say that the deciding factor in going was the fact that the great Tommy Keene was opening?
 

Me.  There were only 2 reasons I went to this show.  1)  It was my last chance to see GBV (who I had never seen before), and 2) Tommy Keene.  Tommy wasn't the only reason I went, but him opening definitely influenced my decision.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Why is 8 pm an "early start"? Exactly what time do most people get out of work? Sporting events start before 8 pm and people don't complain that they start too early.
 
   

Originally posted by Bags:
   

Originally posted by redsock:
     

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.  

DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point. [/b]

I was going to say the same...they got a lot of negative feedback on their "shows over by 10:00" policy.  Even on weeknights, as 8:00 is early to start. [/b]

[Bags]

Don't ask me, I didn't complain.  But I saw the complaints go in to DC9....I live 8 minutes away, I got no problems.
 
 Although one thing that makes some sense is folks going to DC9 to see a band are more likely to want to go home and change and eat dinner (no food at DC9), whereas most folks who go to MCI go right from work and eat that exorbitantly-priced food there.
 
   

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Why is 8 pm an "early start"? Exactly what time do most people get out of work? Sporting events start before 8 pm and people don't complain that they start too early.
 
     

Originally posted by Bags:
     

Originally posted by redsock:
       

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.  

DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point. [/b]

I was going to say the same...they got a lot of negative feedback on their "shows over by 10:00" policy.  Even on weeknights, as 8:00 is early to start. [/b]

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[keithstg]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Why is 8 pm an "early start"? Exactly what time do most people get out of work? Sporting events start before 8 pm and people don't complain that they start too early.
 
   

Originally posted by Bags:
     

Originally posted by redsock:
     

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.  

DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point. [/b]

I was going to say the same...they got a lot of negative feedback on their "shows over by 10:00" policy.  Even on weeknights, as 8:00 is early to start. [/b]

[/b]

One thing to consider - food is readily availble at major sporting events, and while I'm sure you'll counter that food is available at concert venues as well, people don't think of shows as a place to eat. Add time to eat before the show and commute to the show, and that makes 8:00 a tight fit for some folks.
 
 Personally, I don't know many people who only work 9-5. I'd say the standard among my friends is more like 8-6:30 or 7:30-6:30...making an 8:00 show after that is tough.

[ggw]

Not everyone is a government slacker.
 
 

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 Exactly what time do most people get out of work?

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Why is 8 pm an "early start"? Exactly what time do most people get out of work? Sporting events start before 8 pm and people don't complain that they start too early.
 

i do.  i HATE that the Capitals start thier games at 7pm.  I can barely ever make it thier by face off, and apparently I am not the only one, cause only 1/4 of the seats are filled by 7pm. so in other words, half of the people are late  

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Isn't it sad that we live in a country where the standards are being at work from 10.5-11 hours a day? Fucking employers have people by the balls.
 
 
 

Originally posted by keithstg:
   

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Why is 8 pm an "early start"? Exactly what time do most people get out of work? Sporting events start before 8 pm and people don't complain that they start too early.
 
     

Originally posted by Bags:
     

Originally posted by redsock:
       

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I'll bet a lot more people would go to shows if they started at 8 and ended by 11.  

DC9 had a big problem with folks not wanting to come to an early show on weekends, and have since changed their policy. Kinda rebuffs your point. [/b]

I was going to say the same...they got a lot of negative feedback on their "shows over by 10:00" policy.  Even on weeknights, as 8:00 is early to start. [/b]

[/b]

One thing to consider - food is readily availble at major sporting events, and while I'm sure you'll counter that food is available at concert venues as well, people don't think of shows as a place to eat. Add time to eat before the show and commute to the show, and that makes 8:00 a tight fit for some folks.
 
 Personally, I don't know many people who only work 9-5. I'd say the standard among my friends is more like 8-6:30 or 7:30-6:30...making an 8:00 show after that is tough. [/b]

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Bags:
 
 Since Jan 1, 2004, I've been to ten shows specifically to see the opener (and left at some point during the headliner four of those times).

i dont think all clubs are really marketing for the people who devote most of thier time to shows, feel the need to see every band, and live right down the damn street.  maybe some place small like DC9, but if 930 did that, they'd never have any sell outs.
 
   people like you, are going to come either way  
 
 others (and thats most people) have to be choosy.

[Bags]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Isn't it sad that we live in a country where the standards are being at work from 10.5-11 hours a day? Fucking employers have people by the balls.

I generally work until 6:30 - 7:00, but I get in at 9:30 a.m.  This is due to the fact that many of the companies we work with are based in Houston, Calgary, etc.  -- 1 to 2 hours behind us.  It actually makes a lot of sense.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Isn't it sad that we live in a country where the standards are being at work from 10.5-11 hours a day?

yes it is, rhett. yes it is.
 
 i work from 8am-5pm. but by the time i walk to my car (5:15pm), drive home (5:35pm) take a shower (5:45pm), eat dinner (6:15pm) and get myself into my Japanese car, its 6:30pm and it takes me over 1 hour to get to DC.  that leave 7:45pm about the earliest i could get there.  leaving me missing the first period of the game, or standing by the T-shirts at the 930 club!
 
  and i have a girl to wait for to get ready too! (add 20 minutes to all times above!)
 
       I dont go to DC a lot cause of the hassle and earliness of the show (see PJ Harvey)

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Well if you're getting an hour for lunch, that's 8-8.5 hours of work, which is reasonable. If you were in DC (I realize you're not), you could easily grab some faast food and make it to and 8PM show.
 
 
 

Originally posted by Bags:
   

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Isn't it sad that we live in a country where the standards are being at work from 10.5-11 hours a day? Fucking employers have people by the balls.

I generally work until 6:30 - 7:00, but I get in at 9:30 a.m.  This is due to the fact that many of the companies we work with are based in Houston, Calgary, etc.  -- 1 to 2 hours behind us.  It actually makes a lot of sense. [/b]

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Well if you're getting an hour for lunch, that's 8-8.5 hours of work, which is reasonable. If you were in DC (I realize you're not), you could easily grab some faast food and make it to and 8PM show.
 

havent you talked of how you hate fast food on this board before?  others do too