These are frightening times

[Sailor Ripley]

Originally posted by chaz:
  Surely Charlton Heston could shed some light as to why there are so many murders in some of these cities.

I'll give you a hint: it's not from legally owned firearms.

[chaz]

Watch it buddy!  I used to live in Richmond and spent loads of time propped up in bars!
 

Originally posted by Bollocks:
   

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   

 
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Richmond's murder rate is practically the same as Baltimore's  Actually, it's a bit higher. [/b]

Do you work with Rhett by chance?
 
 Here's another statistic about Richmond for you.
 
 They don't bury their dead in Richmond, they prop them up at bars instead. [/QB]

[Sailor Ripley]

Originally posted by Bollocks:
  That's what voting booths are for, unless you're a Florida resident.

You wouldn't have the right to vote if it wasn't for this country's fore fathers and their possession of "evil guns".

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
  You wouldn't have the right to vote if it wasn't for this country's fore fathers and their possession of "evil guns".

thank you for giving another reason why we don't need them everywhere, they aren't necessary for change anymore

[Barcelona]

Originally posted by chaz:
  Yeah I also think responsible citizens should be allowed to own guns....but this whole packin in public thing just seems kinda disgusting to me.

And how do we assess that someone is a responsible citizen? Just because he doesn't have any criminal record? Can't see any valid criteria. I am not from here and no longer live in the US, but I think no one should be allowed to own guns.

[mankie]

Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
   

Originally posted by Bollocks:
  That's what voting booths are for, unless you're a Florida resident.

You wouldn't have the right to vote if it wasn't for this country's fore fathers and their possession of "evil guns". [/b]

Let me clue you in on something....
 
 Them Britishers or Injuns ain't coming anymore!
 
 So remind me again why you need your guns, unless it's to compensate for shortcomings somewhere else.

[chaz]

Originally posted by Barcelona:
   

Originally posted by chaz:
  Yeah I also think responsible citizens should be allowed to own guns....but this whole packin in public thing just seems kinda disgusting to me.

And how do we assess that someone is a responsible citizen? Just because he doesn't have any criminal record? Can't see any valid criteria. I am not from here and no longer live in the US, but I think no one should be allowed to own guns. [/b]

All valid points here.....and I think coming up with this criteria is really the issue.  In my perfect world no one own gun either but that's just not realistic for this country.  Better control is the really the best we can hope for.

[Sailor Ripley]

Originally posted by Bollocks:
 Let me clue you in on something....
 
 Them Britishers or Injuns ain't coming anymore!
 
 So remind me again why you need your guns, unless it's to compensate for shortcomings somewhere else.

Let me clue you in, it's not the British or Indians I'm worried about.
 
 You'd be a fool to give up any of your rights because who knows what the future holds.  Unless you've got a crystal ball you're not telling us about.
 
 Shortcomings?  I probably haven't fired a gun in over a decade, but that doesn't mean I don't believe we should give up those rights.

[mankie]

Originally posted by Sailor Ripley:
   

Originally posted by Bollocks:
 Let me clue you in on something....
 
 Them Britishers or Injuns ain't coming anymore!
 
 So remind me again why you need your guns, unless it's to compensate for shortcomings somewhere else.

Let me clue you in, it's not the British or Indians I'm worried about.
 
 You'd be a fool to give up any of your rights because who knows what the future holds.  Unless you've got a crystal ball you're not telling us about.
 
 Shortcomings?  I probably haven't fired a gun in over a decade, but that doesn't mean I don't believe we should give up those rights. [/b]

It's technically a privilege....if it's a 'right' then why is a convicted felon not allowed to own one, wonder why?  :roll:  I know they can't vote either, but that's just nonesense imho.
 
 Either way, you go back to putting your trucks on blocks and I'll go hug a tree and we'll agree to disagree.

[Bags]

Originally posted by Bollocks:
  They don't bury their dead in Richmond, they prop them up at bars instead.

HA, that was great.  I don't know dirt about Richmond, but it's just a great line...

[Sailor Ripley]

Originally posted by Bollocks:
 It's technically a privilege....if it's a 'right' then why is a convicted felon not allowed to own one, wonder why?

Considering it's contained in the Bill of Rights, I'd argue otherwise.
 
 

Originally posted by Bollocks:
 Either way, you go back to putting your trucks on blocks and I'll go hug a tree and we'll agree to disagree.

Your petty attempts at insults detract from any points you may try to make in your arguement.  But I'll go ride my bike, thank you very much.
 
 Don't worry though, Dubya and Ashcroft probably aren't done shredding your rights yet.  Give them a little time and they'll probably ban guns (except for your "government protectors").  You know, so the terrorists won't get a hold of them.  I'm sure you'd feel safe then.

[poorlulu]

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[chaz]

Around 4,000 kids a year are killed in the US by guns.  And that's during a good year.  In the late 90's that number topped 5,000 a few times.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Over 110,000 deaths in America in 1996  were directly attributable to alcohol.
 
 http://www.reconsider.org/issues/public_health/estimated_deaths_.htm
 
 What was your point?
 
   

Originally posted by chaz:
  Around 4,000 kids a year are killed in the US by guns.  And that's during a good year.  In the late 90's that number topped 5,000 a few times.

[chaz]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Over 110,000 deaths in America in 1996  were directly attributable to alcohol.
 
  http://www.reconsider.org/issues/public_health/estimated_deaths_.htm
 
 What was your point?
 
   

Originally posted by chaz:
  Around 4,000 kids a year are killed in the US by guns.  And that's during a good year.  In the late 90's that number topped 5,000 a few times.

[/b]

Uhhh....I think my point is pretty freaking clear.  Don't you think that 5,000 dead children is way too many?  Or are you saying that the high number of deaths due to alcohol makes it a non-issue?  I didn't think so.  
 
 That's another thread Mr. Contrarian.