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[not too shabby]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Veranda">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by markie:<BR><B> but its not even as good as kiss me kiss me kiss me.<P>Shame on you.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Nope, Disintegration is much better, and I will not be shamed.

[Fico]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Veranda">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by not too shabby:<BR><B> Nope, Disintegration is much better, and I will not be shamed.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Tell you what.. you put "Galore" against any of the "Best of Smiths" compilations and its definitely a toss up..they both amassed an outstanding body of work that at least to my ears still sound as fresh and relevant as 10 years ago...<P>Not to mention that Galore doesn't include gems included in other compilations such as staring at the sea...<P>

[Dr. Anton Phibes]

When I think of The Cure........It always comes back to "Pornography"......love that damn album......and I saw 'em about half a dozen times for other albums......none compared......

[markie]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Veranda">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wingelbert humptyback:<BR><B>  They were innovative and influential in a way the Smiths could never even dream of achieving. <P>vs<P>Hell, I am sure I listen to the Smiths a good bit more often than the Beatles.. but that doesn't make them a better band.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>So the smiths are directly more influential on you than the Beatles.<P>That was the point I was making. <P>WELL DONE,<P>fool.<BR>

[SPARX]

The tour for The Top back at the old Ontario Theatre was a damn fine show.'84 I believe.

[markie]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Veranda">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fico:<BR><B> Tell you what.. you put "Galore" against any of the "Best of Smiths" compilations and its definitely a toss up<BR></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>But the difference not conveyed by this is that all of the smiths songs are of a consistent good quality. Virtually every track could be a single. Infact I defy you to name one that couldnt, other than the rather obvious choice of the two instrumentals.<P>The cure on the other hand had plenty of filler and album tracks of a considerably lower quality.

[not too shabby]

Ah, but everyone stumbles a few times on the way to greatness.<P>I wouldn't say that every track on every Smiths album is single-worthy, either, but that's just my opinion.

[markie]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Veranda">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by not too shabby:<BR><B><P>I wouldn't say that every track on every Smiths album is single-worthy, either, but that's just my opinion.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>name one!!!<P>(not oscillate wildly or Draize train or golden lights)

[not too shabby]

Well, for one, I will skip "I know it's over" 7 times out of 10, if I'm near the "next" button.  I just find it to be sort of boring.  <P>There are Cure songs that I would skip, too.  I can't think of any band that puts out 100 percent greatness, every single time.<P>Maybe I'm just impatient.  I have a habit of skipping through things to get to other things.  Maybe I'm just that excited to get to the rest of the fabulous songs on the album?

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

While the production is more detailed than before, the Smiths are at their best when they stick to their strengths â?? "The Headmaster Ritual" and "I Want the One I Can't Have" are fine elaborations of the formula they laid out on the debut, while "Rusholme Ruffians" is an infectious stab at rockabilly. However, the rest of Meat Is Murder is muddled, repeating lyrical and musical ideas of before without significantly expanding them or offering enough hooks or melodies to make it the equal of The Smiths or Hatful of Hollow.

[markie]

OK,<P>I tend not to trust allmusic that far. Certainly mine own expert views often contradict with their writers. <P>I find they often compare a bands output with references only to that particular band and with hinsight to the bands entire work. So if all the albums by a group are masterpieces, they will find flaws that sound fatal, but really are not there.<P>Look at the track list of meat is murder and I think all the songs are pretty damn good personally. <P>1.   Â    The Headmaster Ritual (Marr/Morrissey) - 4:52<BR>    2.   Â    Rusholme Ruffians (Marr/Morrissey) - 4:19<BR>    3.   Â    I Want the One I Can't Have (Marr/Morrissey) - 3:13<BR>    4.   Â    What She Said (Marr/Morrissey) - 2:40<BR> review     Â    5.   Â    That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore (Marr/Morrissey) - 4:57<BR> review     Â    6.   Â    How Soon Is Now? (Marr/Morrissey) - 6:43<BR>    7.   Â    Nowhere Fast (Marr/Morrissey) - 2:35<BR>    8.   Â    Well I Wonder (Marr/Morrissey) - 4:00<BR>    9.   Â    Barbarism Begins at Home (Marr/Morrissey) - 6:55<BR>    10.   Â    Meat Is Murder<P><BR>Here is what allmusic thought :<P>"the lovely melancholy of "I Know It's Over""<P>I do agree with that one.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

personally, i much prefer meat is murder to their debut. i only actyually liked a few songs on the debut, and they were included on hatful of hollow. don't like the title track to meat is murder, though I agree with the sentiment.

[markie]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Veranda">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rhett Miller:<BR><B>personally, i much prefer meat is murder to their debut. i only actyually liked a few songs on the debut, and they were included on hatful of hollow. don't like the title track to meat is murder, though I agree with the sentiment.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>well the debut has serious production problems. A number of songs on there sound much better on hatful of hollow.<P>Still suffer the little children is only on the Smiths album and it is one of their finest songs.

[Fico]

Been a long time since we had a polite and proper discussion on this board...well done

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

and allmusic gives the debut 5 stars and meat is murder 3. i would say 3 for the debut and 4 for meat is murder.