Sex Pistols

[bearman🐻]

Rotten may be a jerk and pompous, but he's also pretty damn bright.  It's unfortunate that Sid overshadowed just what a sharp tack he is.  And it's a shame that people forget how amazing some of PIL's early stuff is too.  I would never say he's a genius, but he's probably underrated. I just wish he would have let the Pistols be instead of cashing in, because I'm afraid this is one scenario where they really are doing it for the money.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I'm mostly here at my job for the money. I guess I'm just like Johnny Rotten. What's wrong with doing something that's going to pay the bills?

[markie]

Originally posted by thirsty moore:
  Above average songs?!  Hell, even Ohio is a great song AND it predated the whole Sex Pistols screw the gov't thing.  Try putting on Heart of Gold, Old Man, and Hey Hey My My and tell me those songs are above average.

Are you trying to say you think they are below average?

[markie]

As it happens I dont think Bowie has release an album that will be regarded as a classic for 20 years.....

[thirsty moore]

Let me clarify, I think those are great songs.
 
 

Originally posted by the scientist:
 Are you trying to say you think they are below average?

[markie]

Originally posted by walkman:
   but the mark of great art is how well it ages.  Hearing Neil Young play Down By The River at 57 is inspiring...I can't imagine the same will hold true when Johnny busts out God Save the Queen.  

the first statement is a fallacy, the second is probably true.
 
 Just because Mike Tyson or Ali are old and fucked now doesnt mean they were not two of the greatest in the ring.
 
 Cant judge on still being able to perform. Old punks look pathetic whatever way you cut it. Sold out or pathetically trying to hang on to their youth.
 
 I think the actual album, never mind the bollocks, still sounds as good as say the strokes or what have you, that was released 25 or so years later.

[ggw]

Originally posted by the scientist:
   

Originally posted by walkman:
   but the mark of great art is how well it ages.  Hearing Neil Young play Down By The River at 57 is inspiring...I can't imagine the same will hold true when Johnny busts out God Save the Queen.  

the first statement is a fallacy, the second is probably true.
 
 Just because Mike Tyson or Ali are old and fucked now doesnt mean they were not two of the greatest in the ring.
 
 Cant judge on still being able to perform. Old punks look pathetic whatever way you cut it. Sold out or pathetically trying to hang on to their youth.
 
 I think the actual album, never mind the bollocks, still sounds as good as say the strokes or what have you, that was released 25 or so years later. [/b]

Are the Strokes still living?

[mankie]

Originally posted by ggw:
 

 Are the Strokes still living?
 
 [/b]

Nope! Their 15 minutes was up long ago.

[kosmo vinyl]

Neil Young is a great artist
 
 The Sex Pistol as invisioned by Malcom McLaren were a great event.
 
 Neil Young is not only continuing to create great music, his songs have (un)fortanetly help payed many of CSN bills, he's dabble succesfully and unsuccessfully in other genres and he owns part of Lionel Trains.
 
 The Sex Pistols made lot of headlines, released one "classic" record, split up, had other musical adventures, ran out of ideas and cash, and reformed.
 
 The Sex Pistols at the 9:30 club will be a event, at any other larger DC area venue it would have be just another concert I would have no qualms about passing on.
 
 Johnny Lydon is the only member who had "real" post Sex Pistols success.   His VH-1 TV was brillant but I never heard his radioshow. Which was probably good given his quotabitlity. The rest... Well who could forget Steve Jones solo records or Checked Past with Michael Des Barres or the Neurotic Outsiders.  Paul Cook hasn't done much other than played most notably with Edwyn Collins.  Glen Matlock released a solo record currently gathering dust somewhere in my collection.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I think Never Mind the Bollocks sounds as good as the Strokes as well. Glad we can agree on that one.

[kosmo vinyl]

Originally posted by the scientist:
  As it happens I dont think Bowie has release an album that will be regarded as a classic for 20 years.....

by whom the general public or bowie fans? just because he isn't sell boatloads of records doesn't mean that there are some fans out there digging his recent output.

[walkman]

Originally posted by the scientist:
   

Originally posted by walkman:
   but the mark of great art is how well it ages.  Hearing Neil Young play Down By The River at 57 is inspiring...I can't imagine the same will hold true when Johnny busts out God Save the Queen.  

the first statement is a fallacy, the second is probably true.
 
 Just because Mike Tyson or Ali are old and fucked now doesnt mean they were not two of the greatest in the ring.
 
 Cant judge on still being able to perform. Old punks look pathetic whatever way you cut it. Sold out or pathetically trying to hang on to their youth.
 
 I think the actual album, never mind the bollocks, still sounds as good as say the strokes or what have you, that was released 25 or so years later. [/b]

I'm still having trouble thinking of any great art that hasn't maintained its relevance, and yet is still considered great.  Why d'you reckon Picasso's work has stuck around so long?  Whether or not you think The Pistols still maintain any relevance is one thing...but arguing that great art doesn't have to?  Que?

[markie]

Originally posted by walkman:
  I can't imagine the same will hold true when Johnny busts out God Save the Queen.  

Whether or not you think The Pistols still maintain any relevance is one thing...but arguing that great art doesn't have to?  Que? [/QB][/QUOTE]
 
 No Walkman, you missed my point.
 
 You said seeing the pistols now would probably make you laugh. I dont think that detracts from their accomplishments. Like if you met picasso today he isnt much of an artist anymore either, he is dead.
 
 I think the pistols album stands up very well today, that is what matters, not if they look pathetic now. It is the recorded material and its effects. The concerts at the time and the clothes they wore at the time and the art it inspired at the time.
 
 Hell, go to borders and look how many books you will find on the pistols and punk vs Neil Young. Sure there are a lot of books on nsync and shit too, but not new kids on the block. Punk has stood the test of time. But then it moulded modern culture.
 
 What did Neil Young do again?

[markie]

Originally posted by kosmo vinyl:
  by whom the general public or bowie fans? just because he isn't sell boatloads of records doesn't mean that there are some fans out there digging his recent output.

But that is true of any recording artist, isnt it? Bowie hasnt done anything legendary since Low and Heroes, has he?
 
 Well apart from setting up bowie.com and bowiebanc.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I think you overestimate the importance of punk, particularly in this country ,or for that matter any country OTHER THAN Britain. The hippie movement had a much more far ranging cultural impact in this country than punk EVER did, for better or for worse.
 
    a. Neil Young had his hands in the hippie movement.
 
    b. Neil Young served as one of the main points of inspiration for "grunge".
 
   c. Neil Young serves as a main point of inspiration for the alt-country movement.
 
 
 Hell, go to borders and look how many books you will find on the pistols and punk vs Neil Young. Sure there are a lot of books on nsync and shit too, but not new kids on the block. Punk has stood the test of time. But then it moulded modern culture.
 
 What did Neil Young do again? [/QB][/QUOTE]