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Jaguär

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Re: i need some major persuasive help here
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2005, 01:22:00 am »
Betty, just a few things to use to help you out.
 
 The 9:30 Club area in front of the club and all along the side up to the parking lot is heavily secured by the 9:30 staph even in the crappiest of weather. Any potential criminal element knows that and stays away. Or, at least, they don't try any of their crap around there. In fact, as I said, they tend to just stay well away.
 
 It's also very well lit.
 
 If you have to spend any time outside waiting in line, you are with plenty of other patrons who inadvertantly provide you with the major safety precaution of safety in numbers. Again, any criminal element is going to stay well away from that. You will have no problems at all with any of the club goers and if you by the odd chance do, believe me, the staph will kick their asses over to the other side of the street faster than you could call home on your cell phone and tell Mommy and Daddy that they were right. It just won't be an issue.
 
 As an added bonus, at the end of the evening, there is always a police officer sitting in a car, or there in some manner, just outside the club in full view. I don't know their real purpose of being there other than being pro-active by being there if needed but as long as you aren't an ass, you have no problems whatsoever. I've never seen them harass anyone at all. If anything, they add that extra level of security over and above what is already there provided by the club. Also, I always see plenty of them riding around that section just doing their job and securing the area. And it's not because there is all kinds of crime going on. It's because there are lots and lots of people congregating because of all of the night life which means that they have to have a certain degree of presence there to do their part and help protect the citizens.
 
 If you and your friends are taking the Metro, there are plenty of others doing the same. While DC people can be very anti-social to those they don't know, they generally are very cool about letting you walk along in a group with them for the purpose of safety. They understand the clustering up for the sake of protection and will generally be very cool and even very protective of you if you ask if you can stick near them for the walk if you feel you need a little extra security. You'll just have to resign to leaving right after the show and not hang around hoping to meet the band or whatever. Even then, you would probably be fine. You won't have to rush like a bat out of Hell but instead, follow the flow.

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Re: i need some major persuasive help here
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2005, 07:15:00 am »
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  Sounds to me like if you want to go to 930/black cat you'll just have to lie about it.  Or just lay low for a while and pick the fight up again when you're 15 and a half.
yeah.  it's quite hard to lie when it involves coming back at 2 am smelling like cigarettes...
 
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Well then you could limit yourself to non-smoking shows or just spend the night at a friends house.

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Re: i need some major persuasive help here
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2005, 07:38:00 am »
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  He's VERY persuasive & helpful
 
 "Let Betty go to the club.  She won't get shot."

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Re: i need some major persuasive help here
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2005, 07:48:00 am »
we have genuine DC police hired for every show out front
 
 it is not an ssumption...it is a fact...nobody has ever been shot in front of the 930 Club...although we have thought about it a few times with some of our more annoying patrons
 
 it sounds like they don't want you to go for some other reasons
 
 I'd be happy to call them if it truly is a concern about something on our end

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Re: i need some major persuasive help here
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2005, 07:52:00 am »
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 I'd be happy to call them if it truly is a concern about something on our end
Wow...Seth must really want your money!!!  But for real....that is way cool of you to offer Seth.  You should definately have Seth call your mom.  How could they refuse you then, Betty?

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Re: i need some major persuasive help here
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2005, 08:22:00 am »
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  You should definately have Seth as your mom???

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Re: i need some major persuasive help here
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2005, 11:46:00 am »
i really would like to thank you all for your kind words and suggestions.  i'm definitely getting some ideas.  seth, if i ever need you as backup; i'll definitely pm it up.
 
 
 i think that the bottom line at this point is that my parents imagine a bunch of people waiting in line outside, and somebody driving by and shooting.  or that's at least the impression i got from talking to my mom yesterday.  it leads me to say that, you know, you undergo the risk of that happening ANYWHERE you go.  but i can't truthfully say, either, that in that area at that time of night it's not going to have the same liklihood of happening as somewhere in Downtown Bethesda or something.
 
 over the last two or so years, all the other concerns ("sketchy" older guys in the club that might give us trouble, going/not on school nights/whether going to shows affects my grades, having somebody in the club with us or getting dropped and picked up) have all been pretty much addressed & solved.  but i mean, every time i say that concert goers don't and are NOT going to get shot outside the club, they play complete devils advocates and flip out.  they're right.  i have no grounds or authority to say it'll never happen.  i just need to convince them it won't.

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Re: i need some major persuasive help here
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2005, 02:13:00 pm »
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  it sounds like they don't want you to go for some other reasons
 
I was thinking that too. One of those 'our little baby is growing up so fast and we aren't ready or willing to deal with it yet' kind of syndromes. It happens all of the time around that age, especially for girls.
 
 Betty, just to refine your debating skills, don't you be the one to mention about anyone getting shot outside of the club, even if it's in the negative, as in not getting shot. The human psyche doesn't hear the positive or negative but instead it perceives the basic concept while the cerebral cortex does the analyzing on it's own.
 
 In short, just don't bring it up. Since it's been the winning factor in their arguement so far, they will stick with it. You'll just have to find some kind of way to convince them that kind of stuff just doesn't happen at the 9:30 Club when they do reuse that point. Concentrate on the 9:30 Club itself and not any other venue just to keep it simple and so they can't throw in anything from anywhere else within DC. If they still insist, than you can do the same by including how that those kinds of crimes happen in schools, banks, shopping malls, gas stations, churches (Yes! It's happened!), home!, etc., but history has shown that it hasn't happened and mathematically highly improbable to happen at the 9:30 Club. Should you not go to school? Should you not go to Synagogue? Should you just lock yourself up in your house until they think the world is 100% completely safe to step outside?
 
 It's also like saying that planes crash sometimes. Should you never fly even though there are way more car crashes than plane crashes? Wait a minute. Nix that example or they will throw it back at you next year when you try to get your learner's permit.       :D       Anyway, you get the idea. Find some similiar topic to counter their arguements. BTW, I'm using the word arguement as meaning oppossing sides of an issue, not as a fight.
 
 Save this too for when they bring it up but almost all drive-by shootings are aimed at a known individual, not random people. (Don't bring up the DC snipers and if they do, they are incarcerated. Also, those kinds of snipers are very rare and can strike anywhere!) Odds are, any drive-by hitman isn't going to go after someone while that person is standing in some kind of line or too many other peope are around. Using the criminal mind, the know there are too many witnesses around! The criminal element will also know there are too many 9:30 Club staph and DC police officers there who are trained to act immediately on any kind of incident like that. They don't want confrontation nor identification therefore they would take their nasty business elsewhere.
 
 Believe me, I fully understand where you are coming from. I missed so many shows when I was your age, partially for the very same reasons. My friends were going and nothing was happening to them. Just had to wait my time out which seemed forever. Now it all goes by way too fast!
 
 Good luck!

Re: i need some major persuasive help here
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2005, 05:10:00 pm »
Why are there adults on here giving advice to a child about how to win an argument with her parents? Whatever happened to respecting the parents' decision?
 
 And why would adults want a 15 yr old at a concert anyway? I don't want children at a club concert that I attend.

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Re: i need some major persuasive help here
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2005, 05:57:00 pm »
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  Why are there adults on here giving advice to a child about how to win an argument with her parents? Whatever happened to respecting the parents' decision?
 
 And why would adults want a 15 yr old at a concert anyway? I don't want children at a club concert that I attend.
Excuse you, but you've probably been at shows with me and not even noticed.  No, I'm not one of those obnoxious kids at shows that jabs on their phone the whole time or yells rude comments at the opener.  Take a look around.  Half the members in the hipster band you're about to go see are probably only 17.

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Re: i need some major persuasive help here
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2005, 05:57:00 pm »
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 And why would adults want a 15 yr old at a concert anyway? I don't want children at a club concert that I attend.
Did you not go to concerts when you were 15? I did. I remember having a great time.

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Re: i need some major persuasive help here
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2005, 06:14:00 pm »
That does it.
 
 Regardless of chronological age, Rhett is by far the oldest fart on the board!  
 
 Betty, touché on your comeback to the cranky old fart.   ;)

Re: i need some major persuasive help here
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2005, 07:20:00 pm »
I was first allowed to go to concerts when I was 16. They were not held in nightclubs.
 
 
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 And why would adults want a 15 yr old at a concert anyway? I don't want children at a club concert that I attend.
Did you not go to concerts when you were 15? I did. I remember having a great time. [/b]

Re: i need some major persuasive help here
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2005, 07:25:00 pm »
I know the members of the Drams are in their 30's. Not sure about the members of the High Strung.
 
 I'm glad you're not an obnoxious kid. When I see you at the mall, the record store, or on the bike trail, I will appreciate that. I still don't want kids at the bars and clubs I choose to frequent.
 
 
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  Why are there adults on here giving advice to a child about how to win an argument with her parents? Whatever happened to respecting the parents' decision?
 
 And why would adults want a 15 yr old at a concert anyway? I don't want children at a club concert that I attend.
Excuse you, but you've probably been at shows with me and not even noticed.  No, I'm not one of those obnoxious kids at shows that jabs on their phone the whole time or yells rude comments at the opener.  Take a look around.  Half the members in the hipster band you're about to go see are probably only 17. [/b]

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Re: i need some major persuasive help here
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2005, 07:31:00 pm »
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  I know the members of the Drams are in their 30's. Not sure about the members of the High Strung.
 
 I'm glad you're not an obnoxious kid. When I see you at the mall, the record store, or on the bike trail, I will appreciate that. I still don't want kids at the bars and clubs I choose to frequent.
 
   
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  Why are there adults on here giving advice to a child about how to win an argument with her parents? Whatever happened to respecting the parents' decision?
 
 And why would adults want a 15 yr old at a concert anyway? I don't want children at a club concert that I attend.
Excuse you, but you've probably been at shows with me and not even noticed.  No, I'm not one of those obnoxious kids at shows that jabs on their phone the whole time or yells rude comments at the opener.  Take a look around.  Half the members in the hipster band you're about to go see are probably only 17. [/b]
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Well then, could you please remove the stick from up your ass and tell us all why?