i need some major persuasive help here

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Just personal preference. I'd like for bars and clubs to be places where people 18+ can congregate. No children.
 
    The preference would be even stronger if I were single and in my 20's.

[muschi]

Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
  Why are there adults on here giving advice to a child about how to win an argument with her parents? Whatever happened to respecting the parents' decision?
 
 And why would adults want a 15 yr old at a concert anyway? I don't want children at a club concert that I attend.

parents today want to be buddies with their kids not parents. and they are lazy in fighting the peer and pop culture that inundates these hapless kids into looking like hooker-hoochie-mama fellatio     experts at 12 . and lil johnny is yo-rapboy wigger and 'killin aint no thang biotch' and gee i cant figure out why johnny is into all sorts of bad shit. thats a large part why things r effed up today w kids. and mommy and daddy let them goto 9th st nw w the great protection of other like-minded kids getting into the same risky situations. its premature adulthood all the risks w/o the benfit of the wisdom.
 
  aside from the pipebomb incident [lol] i didnt grow up this way and never wouldve been allowed to go such places nor alone or w other lil brats. guess my parents where square. how awful but i grewuop a pretty well-adjusted person. ok im ready for the onslaugh of derogatory remarks about oh i dont know pube-trimming, come on let me have it i kno its coming!

[you be betty]

Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
  Just personal preference. I'd like for bars and clubs to be places where people 18+ can congregate. No children.
 
    The preference would be even stronger if I were single and in my 20's.

See, that's really funny because I have plenty of friends that are single AND in their 20's, and they love to hang out and go to shows with me.  You can act as ignorant and stereotypical as you please, but it's coming off as more childish than any "children" in the area.

[shoot ur shot]

Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
  Just personal preference. I'd like for bars and clubs to be places where people 18+ can congregate. No children.
 
    The preference would be even stronger if I were single and in my 20's.

live music shouldnt be exclusive to anyone. besides, teenagers these days are knowledgable man. let em have their fun. going to rock concerts isnt exactly the most mature activity 30+ peeps can engage in anyways. so if alt-country starts becoming the latest trend amongst high schoolers, are you going to stop going to see those bands live or just stop listening to that kind of music altogether?
 
 as for you be betty's scenario: i don't think any parent with a sizable income will deny some kind of reward for excellent academic achievements. think of something else you'd really like to have(a car when you're 16 or a killer drumset?) and talk them into getting that in exchange for not being allowed to attend concerts. overbearing parents can be a real drag but if you keep up in school, maybe you can get into a sweet university in a big city and be able to have all kinds of great experiences on your mom and dad's dime. its always wise to think ahead so start planning and working towards that goal now.

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Tell them to visit this forum. They'll soon see you are far, far more likely to become one of our drunken in-the-alley-post-concert sexual conquests then you are to be shot.
 
 On second thought, DO NOT let your parents know this forum exists.

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
  Just personal preference. I'd like for bars and clubs to be places where people 18+ can congregate. No children.
 
    The preference would be even stronger if I were single and in my 20's.

I don't know betty, but from her behavior on here, I'd rather attend a concert with 1200 people who act like her then I'd like to attend a concert with 1200 drunken 23 year old fratboys.

[you be betty]

that's not too much of a compliment, but thanks!  

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I'll take solace in the fact that Iota is 21+. The 8x10 Club in Baltimore is 18+, I'm sure there are others that are simliar.
 
 Good grades should be an expectation. The reward should be intrinsic satisfaction and parental approval, not materialistic stuff.
 
 

Originally posted by shoot ur shot:
   

Originally posted by Xavier Bush, Power Forward:
  Just personal preference. I'd like for bars and clubs to be places where people 18+ can congregate. No children.
 
    The preference would be even stronger if I were single and in my 20's.

live music shouldnt be exclusive to anyone. besides, teenagers these days are knowledgable man. let em have their fun. going to rock concerts isnt exactly the most mature activity 30+ peeps can engage in anyways. so if alt-country starts becoming the latest trend amongst high schoolers, are you going to stop going to see those bands live or just stop listening to that kind of music altogether?
 
 as for you be betty's scenario: i don't think any parent with a sizable income will deny some kind of reward for excellent academic achievements. think of something else you'd really like to have(a car when you're 16 or a killer drumset?) and talk them into getting that in exchange for not being allowed to attend concerts. overbearing parents can be a real drag but if you keep up in school, maybe you can get into a sweet university in a big city and be able to have all kinds of great experiences on your mom and dad's dime. its always wise to think ahead so start planning and working towards that goal now. [/b]

[kookiemnstr8]

Originally posted by you be betty:
  so please, brainstorm, brainstorm for the children...

As a just turned sixteen year old, I share some of your pain.  My parents and I have an agreement that I can attend any show I want as long as I maintain straight As and pay for the ticket myself.  They pick me up after all of the shows, and my friends and I metro down to the shows.  I get good grades in hard classes, barely drink or smoke (an anomaly in my Bethesda high school), go to school, don't whore myself on the streets, etc., so they have no reason to say no to me.  The second I break our agreement (and they find out), my privileges to go to Black Cat and 9:30 will be revoked.  You seem to have had a similar agreement.
   
 Present your parents with the alternative, what you COULD be doing with your weekend nights, with the rest of Bethesda's teenagers.  You're more likely to get into a crash because of a drunk teenage driver, or get a citation because of some dumb party than get shot outside of the 9:30 club.  If they bring up shootings, ask them to provide specific examples, with dates, from reputable sources.  But as someone else said, don't bring up the shootings yourself.  
 
 Or just ask for a Kevlar vest for your birthday.
 
 Sorry I couldn't be of more help, thankfully my parents have given up the fight.  Although, they wouldn't let me attend the New Pornographers show last night when my friends came up with an extra ticket, because "with that name, god knows what goes on"   :roll: . You win some, you lose some, what can I say?

[you be betty]

Originally posted by Graace:
   

Originally posted by you be betty:
  so please, brainstorm, brainstorm for the children...

As a just turned sixteen year old, I share some of your pain.  My parents and I have an agreement that I can attend any show I want as long as I maintain straight As and pay for the ticket myself.  They pick me up after all of the shows, and my friends and I metro down to the shows.  I get good grades in hard classes, barely drink or smoke (an anomaly in my Bethesda high school), go to school, don't whore myself on the streets, etc., so they have no reason to say no to me.  The second I break our agreement (and they find out), my privileges to go to Black Cat and 9:30 will be revoked.  You seem to have had a similar agreement.
   
 Present your parents with the alternative, what you COULD be doing with your weekend nights, with the rest of Bethesda's teenagers.  You're more likely to get into a crash because of a drunk teenage driver, or get a citation because of some dumb party than get shot outside of the 9:30 club.  If they bring up shootings, ask them to provide specific examples, with dates, from reputable sources.  But as someone else said, don't bring up the shootings yourself.  
 
 Or just ask for a Kevlar vest for your birthday.
 
 Sorry I couldn't be of more help, thankfully my parents have given up the fight.  Although, they wouldn't let me attend the New Pornographers show last night when my friends came up with an extra ticket, because "with that name, god knows what goes on"    :roll:  . You win some, you lose some, what can I say? [/b]

hmm definitely done that already!
 
 i believe i said something along the lines of "i'm not going out to drink, do drugs, or have sex; i'm going out to stand in a room and listen to some music.  you're LUCKY."
 
 & what school do you go to?

[kookiemnstr8]

Originally posted by you be betty:
   

Originally posted by Graace:
   

Originally posted by you be betty:
  so please, brainstorm, brainstorm for the children...

As a just turned sixteen year old, I share some of your pain.  My parents and I have an agreement that I can attend any show I want as long as I maintain straight As and pay for the ticket myself.  They pick me up after all of the shows, and my friends and I metro down to the shows.  I get good grades in hard classes, barely drink or smoke (an anomaly in my Bethesda high school), go to school, don't whore myself on the streets, etc., so they have no reason to say no to me.  The second I break our agreement (and they find out), my privileges to go to Black Cat and 9:30 will be revoked.  You seem to have had a similar agreement.
   
 Present your parents with the alternative, what you COULD be doing with your weekend nights, with the rest of Bethesda's teenagers.  You're more likely to get into a crash because of a drunk teenage driver, or get a citation because of some dumb party than get shot outside of the 9:30 club.  If they bring up shootings, ask them to provide specific examples, with dates, from reputable sources.  But as someone else said, don't bring up the shootings yourself.  
 
 Or just ask for a Kevlar vest for your birthday.
 
 Sorry I couldn't be of more help, thankfully my parents have given up the fight.  Although, they wouldn't let me attend the New Pornographers show last night when my friends came up with an extra ticket, because "with that name, god knows what goes on"     :roll:   . You win some, you lose some, what can I say? [/b]

hmm definitely done that already!
 
 i believe i said something along the lines of "i'm not going out to drink, do drugs, or have sex; i'm going out to stand in a room and listen to some music.  you're LUCKY."
 
 & what school do you go to? [/b]

I'm a junior at B-CC, you?

[Jaguär]

For one, I know I'd feel a lot safer if my 15 year old daughter were spending the evening at the 9:30 Club than hanging out behind the Exxon Station. Then again, even that wouldn't bother me too much since it's out in the open because kids need some place to congregate. The 9:30 Club is just as good, if not better, than many of their other options. It all depends on the trust factor of the daughter and the company she keeps. Now, I wouldn't at all allow her to go to Nation based on some things I know but would feel very secure with the 9:30 Club.
 
 Graace, that New Pornographers comment cracked me up. Especially considering how laid back and tame their music is. That had to be kind of funny though.

[you be betty]

it reminded me of last year when a couple of friends of mine were going down to Philly to catch Le Tigre & Gravy Train.  
 
 i went to ask my dad, and he goes "What?  What kind of person would want to see a band called 'Gravy Train'???"  
 
 it cracked me up.
 
 and i'm a sophmore at Whitman  

[Frank Gallagher]

I say get yourself a saturday night special, then if a shoot-out happens during the 15 seconds you'll be waiting to get in the club you can just cap some niggas ass!  :roll:  
 
 Being a dad of a 15 year old 930-goer, I suggest your parents drop you off at the door of the club, and pick you up again...at the door...after the show. While inside, I can't think of anywhere safer for young people in DC with the staff they employ.
 
 Being a parent requires getting out of the lazy-boy now and again! Hell! Buy them a ticket, they might surprise themselves and actually enjoy the show, or if it's crap there's always the back-bar.

Betty, this is a surefire way:
 
 Start flunking a couple of your classes.  When your parental units inquire of it, you can say, "Gee whiz mommy dearest, but if you had let me go to the Nightclub 930 when I had wanted, then this whole messy business would have been avoided."