Kobe has his "Street Cred"

[ggw]

Originally posted by J'Mal:
 ....the mere say so of some random anonymous skank with mental issues....
 

Well that answers my question.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I thought one is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Why does one need evidence to prove innocence. I will believe he's innocent until evidence that proves otherwise is presented.
 
 

Originally posted by ggw:
  Are any of you basing your assumption of Kobe's innocence on any evidence?  Or, merely assuming that women are lying gold-digging bitches and hos?

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Actually, OJ wasn't a stand-up guy. He had a history of spousal abuse.
 
 But you know, those negro athletes are all the same.
 
 

Originally posted by mankie:
   

Originally posted by J'Mal:
 

 Kobe has been in the public eye for many years and yes, we do get to know something about him after all these years.  His personality comes through.  How often does he even foul out of a game???  And what we know about him is totally inconsistent with these allegations.  That, plus the fact the woman came to his room late at night and that she's emotionally unstable, smells like bullshit.
 
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O.J. was a stand up guy too, but he did only murder the one time...well twice actually but they were at the same time so we'll call it once and let him off.
 
 Evidently he ordered room service and asked for that young girl to be the one to bring it up to him....hmmmmmm, that's strange! [/b]

[mankie]

Originally posted by ggw:
   

Originally posted by J'Mal:
 ....the mere say so of some random anonymous skank with mental issues....
 

Well that answers my question. [/b]

GGW, do you realise we are on the same side of an issue!!!!!!!!!  :eek:  make note in your journals everyone.
 
 Oh, J'mal...I think I figured out what you were referring to about the mankie not getting any.....you do realise that spanking the monkey while watching Baywatch reruns isn't sex don't you?

[mankie]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 [QB]
 
 I thought one is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Why does one need evidence to prove innocence. I will believe he's innocent until evidence that proves otherwise is presented.
 
 

 So if you are presuming Bryant innocent you must be assuming the girl is guilty of filing false charges, so you are jumping to judgement.

[Joymonster]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I thought one is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Why does one need evidence to prove innocence. I will believe he's innocent until evidence that proves otherwise is presented.
 
   

Originally posted by ggw:
  Are any of you basing your assumption of Kobe's innocence on any evidence?  Or, merely assuming that women are lying gold-digging bitches and hos?

[/b]

Or he can do what Mark Chmura did and just hire a good attorney and not take the stand.

[ggw]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I thought one is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Why does one need evidence to prove innocence. I will believe he's innocent until evidence that proves otherwise is presented.
 
   

Originally posted by ggw:
  Are any of you basing your assumption of Kobe's innocence on any evidence?  Or, merely assuming that women are lying gold-digging bitches and hos?

[/b]

I'm assuming the two guys who mugged you weren't proven guilty?
 
 So, can I safely say that you had it coming to you?  
 
 Why should we believe that you were even mugged to begin with?  You are a sexual deviant after all. And you've dated deaf transsexuals. You probably weren't mugged, you probably paid those two guys for rough gay sex.
 
 ___________
 
 Yes, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty, but since when does that presumption of innocence include the presumption that the accuser is guilty of being a gold-digger, crazed star-fucker or skanky ho?

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

History shows us that young women who are emotionally upset and used about having a shitty one night stand will sometimes accuse their partner of rape.
 
    I think a fucked up 19 year old has a lot less to lose than someone like Kobe. Kobe could probably have a million women in this country based on mutual consent, why would he throw his life away on one who said "no"?
 
    Of course he's guilt. All negroes are the same. Savages who can't control themselves.
 
 

Originally posted by mankie:
 

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 [QB]
 
 I thought one is presumed innocent until proven guilty? Why does one need evidence to prove innocence. I will believe he's innocent until evidence that proves otherwise is presented.
 
 

 So if you are presuming Bryant innocent you must be assuming the girl is guilty of filing false charges, so you are jumping to judgement. [/b]

[J'Mal]

One of these people is necessarily lying.
 
 So who do I think it is -- a very public person whom I have followed very closely for years, and in the process developed a strong belief that this behavior is out of character for him?
 
 Or some star search reject from south park with a history of recent mental problems?
 
 I'll admit I'm a long-term hard core kobe fan.  But that also gives me a basis to judge his character. It would be irrational and stupid to throw out years and years of my observation of his character.  That wouldn't be "neutral" or "fair," it would be deliberate blindness.
 
 The limited information I have about his accuser indicates she's crazy.  So, it makes perfect logical sense that crazy accusations against kobe come from a crazy person.

[mankie]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 [QB]
 
    Of course he's guilt. All negroes are the same. Savages who can't control themselves.
 
 

 and all 19 year old girls that work in a hotel are nasty slappers out to ruin the career of a negro athlete then sue them for millions.
 
 I don't think anyone has said they thought he was guilty, we're just saying he could be, but he'll get off regardless because of who he is.

[mankie]

Originally posted by J'Mal:
  One of these people is necessarily lying.
 
 So who do I think it is -- a very public person whom I have followed very closely for years, and in the process developed a strong belief that this behavior is out of character for him?
 
 Or some star search reject from south park with a history of recent mental problems?
 
 I'll admit I'm a long-term hard core kobe fan.  But that also gives me a basis to judge his character. It would be irrational and stupid to throw out years and years of my observation of his character.  That wouldn't be "neutral" or "fair," it would be deliberate blindness.
 
 The limited information I have about his accuser indicates she's crazy.  So, it makes perfect logical sense that crazy accusations against kobe come from a crazy person.

Thank god you're not in the jury pool...hardly impartial are you?
 
 I'm sure Mark Gastineau didn't intend to deal in illegal substances either....relatively decent people do stupid shit sometimes.
 
 (I used Gastineau to trump Rhett's race card he was playing.)

[ggw]

Originally posted by J'Mal:
  One of these people is necessarily lying.
 
 So who do I think it is -- a very public person whom I have followed very closely for years, and in the process developed a strong belief that this behavior is out of character for him?
 
 Or some star search reject from south park with a history of recent mental problems?
 
 I'll admit I'm a long-term hard core kobe fan.  But that also gives me a basis to judge his character. It would be irrational and stupid to throw out years and years of my observation of his character.  That wouldn't be "neutral" or "fair," it would be deliberate blindness.
 
 The limited information I have about his accuser indicates she's crazy.  So, it makes perfect logical sense that crazy accusations against kobe come from a crazy person.

So you're enamored of some guy because he puts a ball through a cylinder very well, and this has given you such gleaming insight into his soul that you know all his character traits and you know exactly what went on that night?
 
 You acknowledge that you have limited information about his accuser, but clearly she's a skank?
 
 You're a lawyer, aren't you?

[J'Mal]

I'd give 'em a fair trial.
 
 Right now I've got a lot of reasonable doubts about Kobe doing this.  "Not Guilty" and send this star fucking whack job back to south park.

[mankie]

Originally posted by ggw:
 

 You're a lawyer, aren't you?
 
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Now you're talking about nasty skanks.

[J'Mal]

Originally posted by ggw:
 So you're enamored of some guy because he puts a ball through a cylinder very well, and this has given you such gleaming insight into his soul that you know all his character traits and you know exactly what went on that night?
 
 You acknowledge that you have limited information about his accuser, but clearly she's a skank?
 
 You're a lawyer, aren't you? [/QB]

His style of play, the things he says and does on and off the court, the way he interacts with others, what I know about his upbringing, yes, I'd say I do have some insight into his personality and rape is not part of the equation.
 
 I also know that young girls who want to make it in show business and try out for American Idol, etc., have a certain kind of worldview, too.  And am I suppose to ignore that bottle of pills she swallowed so recently?
 
 This existentialist "how do you know anything" stuff is silly.  I don't know absolutely everything, with 100% degree of certainty.  But I can put 2 and 2 together and this looks like b.s.