Kobe has his "Street Cred"

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Mark Gastineau was a long time asshole who had a number of run-ins with the law.
 
    Kobe Bryant seems to be in the Tiger Woods realm of personality rather than these bums (OJ, Gastineau) you try to lump him in with.
 
 
 

Originally posted by mankie:
   

Originally posted by J'Mal:
  One of these people is necessarily lying.
 
 So who do I think it is -- a very public person whom I have followed very closely for years, and in the process developed a strong belief that this behavior is out of character for him?
 
 Or some star search reject from south park with a history of recent mental problems?
 
 I'll admit I'm a long-term hard core kobe fan.  But that also gives me a basis to judge his character. It would be irrational and stupid to throw out years and years of my observation of his character.  That wouldn't be "neutral" or "fair," it would be deliberate blindness.
 
 The limited information I have about his accuser indicates she's crazy.  So, it makes perfect logical sense that crazy accusations against kobe come from a crazy person.

Thank god you're not in the jury pool...hardly impartial are you?
 
 I'm sure Mark Gastineau didn't intend to deal in illegal substances either....relatively decent people do stupid shit sometimes.
 
 (I used Gastineau to trump Rhett's race card he was playing.) [/b]

[mankie]

Originally posted by J'Mal:
 

   But I can put 2 and 2 together and this looks like b.s.
 
  [/b]

2 + 2 = 4, not b.s..mind you, I was never good at algebra so you may be right.

[mankie]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 [QB] Mark Gastineau was a long time asshole who had a number of run-ins with the law.
 
    Kobe Bryant seems to be in the Tiger Woods realm of personality rather than these bums (OJ, Gastineau) you try to lump him in with.
 
 
 

 
 Darrell Strawberry - negro athlete who was just hounded by the law because of his skin color, or longtime arsehole who had a number of run-ins with the law?

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Darrell Strawberry was/is a drug addict.
 
 

Originally posted by mankie:
 

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 [QB] Mark Gastineau was a long time asshole who had a number of run-ins with the law.
 
    Kobe Bryant seems to be in the Tiger Woods realm of personality rather than these bums (OJ, Gastineau) you try to lump him in with.
 
 
 

 
 Darrell Strawberry - negro athlete who was just hounded by the law because of his skin color, or longtime arsehole who had a number of run-ins with the law? [/b]

[mankie]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 [QB]
 
 Darrell Strawberry was/is a drug addict.
 
 

 Is that an excuse for his behaviour?
 
 Did whitey put a gun to his head and shove that shit up his nose or did he do it all by himself?

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I'm not sure what your point is. I think you're just babbling to try to continue the argument.
 
    Bottom line is that until anymore facts come out, we're not really in any position to make judgments.
 
    Based on Kobe's character and public record, I find it hard to believe he would have done this. That's not to say he didn't do it, but I just find it difficult to believe unless you present me with hard evidence.
 
    I would find it much easier to believe if Darrel Strawberry, Mark Gastineau, or OJ stood accused.
 
 

Originally posted by mankie:
 

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 [QB]
 
 Darrell Strawberry was/is a drug addict.
 
 

 Is that an excuse for his behaviour?
 
 Did whitey put a gun to his head and shove that shit up his nose or did he do it all by himself? [/b]

[mankie]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 
 
 I'm not sure what your point is. I think you're just babbling to try to continue the argument.
 
    Bottom line is that until anymore facts come out, we're not really in any position to make judgments.
 
     

That's my point exactly. Just because the sun shines out of his arse on the court, a lot of people are saying the "skanky whore stitched him up" while people like myself and GGW are saying maybe not....the fact that we haven't said he DIDN'T do it, you are all assuming we're thinking he DID, which is not the case.
 
 You are the babbling moron in this instant with your remarks, and had I made the same negro comment markie and the other pc-sensitive board members would've all been on the "mankie's a racist pig" train. I was just keeping it going to see if the pc crew would jump in your face like they do me...but they didn't.

[ggw]

Originally posted by J'Mal:
 His style of play, the things he says and does on and off the court, the way he interacts with others, what I know about his upbringing, yes, I'd say I do have some insight into his personality and rape is not part of the equation.

Yeah, he's a stand-up guy.  Rape -- no way.  He's too honest and good natured.  Like fucking around on his wife while he's away having physical therapy.  That's the good-old honest Kobe we know and love.  But of course, by watching his style of play you already knew he was a two-timer -- but only a passive one.
 
 Perhaps you're just blinded by hero-worship.
 
 

Originally posted by J'Mal:
 I also know that young girls who want to make it in show business and try out for American Idol, etc., have a certain kind of worldview, too.  And am I suppose to ignore that bottle of pills she swallowed so recently?

How do you know this?
 
 Please explain to me the logical connection between eating a bottle of pills and fabricating rape charges.
 
 

Originally posted by J'Mal:
 This existentialist "how do you know anything" stuff is silly.  I don't know absolutely everything, with 100% degree of certainty.  But I can put 2 and 2 together and this looks like b.s.

You're right.  This whole evidence and trial stuff is nonsense.  Everybody can tell which way is up by gleaning the truth through Nike commercials and Sports Illustrated.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I think he's arrogant on the court.
 
 Off the court he's arrogant as well.
 
 Still, nothing about him indicates rapist. What would his motive be?
 
 Everything about him indicates adulterer: he's only 24, he has plenty of opportunity, etc. 24 year old NBA stars shouldn't be getting married anyway.
 
 

Originally posted by mankie:
   

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 
 
 I'm not sure what your point is. I think you're just babbling to try to continue the argument.
 
    Bottom line is that until anymore facts come out, we're not really in any position to make judgments.
 
     

That's my point exactly. Just because the sun shines out of his arse on the court, a lot of people are saying the "skanky whore stitched him up" while people like myself and GGW are saying maybe not....the fact that we haven't said he DIDN'T do it, you are all assuming we're thinking he DID, which is not the case.
 
 You are the babbling moron in this instant with your remarks, and had I made the same negro comment markie and the other pc-sensitive board members would've all been on the "mankie's a racist pig" train. I was just keeping it going to see if the pc crew would jump in your face like they do me...but they didn't. [/b]

[ggw]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Still, nothing about him indicates rapist. What would his motive be?

Power.
 
 He skipped college for the power and prestige of the NBA.  He won accolades and championships and then boom....  his team doesn't make it one year, his body needs repairs in the off-season..... suddenly, he's not in control anymore.  What better way to get that feeling of power and control back than banging some young white local trash that works  room service at the resort?  Show her who's calling the shots.....whether she likes it or not.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Well that would be YOUR motive, but what would Kobe's be?
 
 

Originally posted by ggw:
   

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Still, nothing about him indicates rapist. What would his motive be?

Power.
 
 He skipped college for the power and prestige of the NBA.  He won accolades and championships and then boom....  his team doesn't make it one year, his body needs repairs in the off-season..... suddenly, he's not in control anymore.  What better way to get that feeling of power and control back than banging some young white local trash that works  room service at the resort?  Show her who's calling the shots.....whether she likes it or not. [/b]

[Joymonster]

Here's the alleged victim.
 
 http://www.binaryreport.com/

[J'Mal]

Originally posted by ggw:
 He skipped college for the power and prestige of the NBA.  He won accolades and championships and then boom....  his team doesn't make it one year, his body needs repairs in the off-season..... suddenly, he's not in control anymore.  What better way to get that feeling of power and control back than banging some young white local trash that works  room service at the resort?  Show her who's calling the shots.....whether she likes it or not. [/QB]

You obviously don't know much about basketball.  Kobe's first few years in the NBA were nothing to write home about.  He's had much worse years than this past one.  And if Kobe wanted to take out aggression on anyone, there are much better candidates than "some young white local trash" (nice implication that Kobe is racist) -- but his stats don't show a whole lot of violence or personal fouls.
 
 What exactly IS this Faber woman's relationship to the DA's office there?  Is she related to the Asst DA?

[paige]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  Mark Gastineau was a long time asshole who had a number of run-ins with the law.
 
     

breakin' the law, breakin' the law....
 
 
 how is that related? i don't know, i just felt like singing.

[ggw]

Originally posted by J'Mal:
  You obviously don't know much about basketball.  Kobe's first few years in the NBA were nothing to write home about.  He's had much worse years than this past one.  And if Kobe wanted to take out aggression on anyone, there are much better candidates than "some young white local trash" (nice implication that Kobe is racist) -- but his stats don't show a whole lot of violence or personal fouls.
 

And you clearly don't know much about life if you're judging a man on his basketball stats.
 
 I'm not saying that my scenario is accurate, just offering a possibility that doesn't include Kobe being framed by some skanky American Idol psycho.