hey skins fans ....

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by vansmack:
  I don't think it was luck when Sheperd dropped the game tying touchdown, or when Simms overthrew him on the next play.

perhaps instead of "luck" i should have stuck with "bounces" ... this game was decided wholly on bounces, and i'm sticking to that ...
 
 a) simms' two picks were off of tipped balls (hats off to the skins D-line)
 
 b) how often do you see a return like the one off of cadillac's fumble?
 
 c) the refs missed lavar arrington's fumble after his interception, easy call badly muffed
 
 d) the bounces from antonio brown and chris cooley's fumbles landed them back in skins hands ... it's not like the skins "wanted the ball more" than the bucs, the ball just bounced their way
 
 the bucs offense completely outplayed the skins offense, the bucs defense turned in one of the best performances i've ever seen (especially in the playoffs) while the redskins defense was good but not dominating, and special teams was a wash (maybe even a bucs win with their kickoff returns) ..... when it really comes down to it, the game was decided on the way the ball bounced
 
 

Originally posted by vansmack:
  Accept your loss like a man, especially after you started the trash talking.

as an insane fan of the bucs, hoyas, lightning, etc, i understand accepting losses, it's just part of the sports territory ... but i also understand when the press takes a "story line" that works well for them and runs with it, even when it doesn't hold much relevance (here it's "stifling redskins D suffocates bucs"), i'm just trying to offer what i see as the real storyline of the game
 
 the bucs offense picked apart the redskins defense ... simms was 16/18 in the first half, and really had a very good game, the bucs offense moved consistently on the redskins D, especially in the second half ... the skins D certainly played very well, but their scheming and talent is not the reason the game was won

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by Chaz, Lover of all Beings:
   

pretty shitty game overall

Not for skins fans.  Pretty great if you ask me.  I'd hardly call 10 points scored "picking them apart".  Sure the skins offense didn't do squat, but the D made the big plays when they needed to and your guys didn't.  End of story. [/b]

expert analysis chaz, thanks for your insight

[brennser]

poor hoya
 
 he's sick as a parrot today - I too fall into the "you started the trash talking, you take your licks" camp - GO SKINS!!!!!!
 
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[chaz]

Dude no doubt the bounces went the skins way.  And stop crying about the national media not giving the bucs d their propers.  Everything I hear pretty much says that the skins were lucky to win.
 
 But how can you say the bucs picked apart the skins d?  I'd hardly call 200 yards passing and 75 yards rushing a dominating performance.  The scheme gave the bucs the short passing game so they could take away the deep ball, which they did.  Simms averaged 4.4 yards per pass....hardly earth shattering or dominating.

[BookerT]

simms had such a high completion percentage because they couldn't throw the ball downfield. the redskins were glad to give them all those underneath passes. their secondary was beat up/retarded and they still made galloway a non-factor. i think he had like 5 passes of more than 10 yards, and three of those were to tight ends/running backs. they did NOT pick apart the redskins defense. they played entirely into their hands, actually. simms had 198 yards -- 168 net yards -- on 38 attempts. that's fucking terrible, actually. not as bad as brunell, obviously. but still pretty bad.

[sonickteam2]

football is lame and has no strategy.
 
     go Argonauts!

[chaz]

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
   

Originally posted by Chaz, Lover of all Beings:
   

pretty shitty game overall

Not for skins fans.  Pretty great if you ask me.  I'd hardly call 10 points scored "picking them apart".  Sure the skins offense didn't do squat, but the D made the big plays when they needed to and your guys didn't.  End of story. [/b]

expert analysis chaz, thanks for your insight [/b]

Always happy to shed some light where little shines.

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by Chaz, Lover of all Beings:
 But how can you say the bucs picked apart the skins d?  I'd hardly call 200 yards passing and 75 yards rushing a dominating performance.  The scheme gave the bucs the short passing game so they could take away the deep ball, which they did.  Simms averaged 4.4 yards per pass....hardly earth shattering or dominating.

i never said it was either earth shattering or dominating .... all i said is that they picked the skins D apart, which is what 16/18 is, picking apart ... you're absolutely right that they didn't give up the big ball and that the skins D played great, made stops when they needed to, and forced turnovers, they really did ...  but the bucs played their typical "pick em apart" west-coast game on offense that gruden loves to run, a lot of crossing patterns and under 7 yard passes, they just couldn't get the bomb to fall when they needed it .... oh, and galloway had 7 catches for 69 yards, surely not dominating, but he was definitely not taken out of the game
 
 i give the redskins D a ton of credit, they played a very very good game, i just think the game was decided not by the skins D (as all the headlines say), but by bounces ... the bucs forced fumbles and tipped passes as well, but the fumbles just didn't bounce their way and the tipped passes went into the ground, instead of acting like slap shots from a defenseman tipped and redirected by a power forward into the top corner of a net
 
 anyway, i'm done, it was an ugly game that didn't turn the way i would have liked it, congrats to the skins and i hope your offense gets better quick
 
 speaking of the national media, this has been getting to me lately ... does anyone else find it frustrating that ESPN is basically the only major national outlet for sports news?  sure there's SI, sporting news, and tons of others out there, but ESPN basically dominates the national sports scene (radio, magazines, TV) and turns their opinions into one big echo chamber ... the echo chamber is more pronounced with things like college basketball (dukie V and the ACC adulation is just too much to handle), but it really cuts across to all sports ... just gets frustrating after a while

[ggw]

Why oh why didn't Lawrence Taylor do the world a favor and break Theismann's vocal cords?

[HoyaSaxa03]

The ESPN Sunday Night Football Drinking Game
 
 i think i've subjected you all to my rants about the sunday night football crew before, but this drinking game sums them up pretty well:
 
 â?¢ Set yourself up with a minimum of six beers for the three-hour game. If the Ravens are playing (and they are just about every other week), grab eight.
 â?¢ Take the assigned number of swigs â?? about the equivalent of one ounce, or 12 swigs per bottle/can. Do NOT drink when Paul Maguire is speaking. You might spit it up.
 â?¢ If any of the "chug" criteria is met, you must finish your beer, even if you have to take a leak really badly.
 
 DRINK WHEN MIKE PATRICK...
 1 - Raves over the offensive line on a three-yard run
 1 - Says a player is one of the best in the NFL when you can name 10 others at his position who are better
 1 - Says the home crowd is making it too loud to hear, even though your neighbors can hear him through your TV
 1 - Says "What a day in the NFL!"
 1 - Says "Are you kidding me?!"
 1 - Describes a play as "unbelievable," "amazing" or "incredible." Important: the play itself does not have to be remotely unbelievable, amazing or incredible
 1 - Refers to a player as "one of the all-time greats"
 1 - Calls a player one of the most underrated in the league
 2 - Makes you lower the volume
 2 - Says "Let's go down to Suzy Kolber. Suzy."
 Chug - Says "Let's go down on Suzy Kolber. Suzy."
 Chug - Breaks your ear drum
 
 DRINK WHEN PAUL MAGUIRE...
 1 - Prefaces any analysis with "I'm a tell ya what."
 1 - Says "I'm gonna tell ya something" right before actually telling you something
 1 - Says the word "watch" more than twice on any instant replay, as if you were doing anything but watching
 1 - Says something you didn't already know
 1 - Admits to being scared of Ray Lewis
 1 - Says he talked to a player/coach earlier in the week
 2 - Calls Theismann "Joseph"
 Chug - Calls Theismann "an idiot"
 
 DRINK WHEN JOE THEISMANN...
 1 - Utters the phrase "like a Bill Parcells."
 1 - Mentions his own playing career
 1 - Points out a flaw in a quarterback's mechanics, whether or not the replay backs it up
 1 - Says "What impresses me most about..."
 1 - Mentions Notre Dame in any capacity
 1 - Says he talked to a player/coach earlier in the week
 1 - Says "If I'm the [insert team here]..."
 2 - Offers a team advice "if they wanna win this game," as if they're on the fence about whether or not they want to win
 2 - Refers to his punting career (one punt for one yard in 1985)
 2 - Predicts a penalty that goes the other way
 Chug - Refers, again, to any historical genius as "Norman Einstein."
 
 DRINK WHEN...
 1 - Ray Lewis is mic'ed up
 1 - Ray Lewis is mentioned when the Ravens aren't playing
 1 - A special-teams coach is said to have done "a great job"
 2 - One of the three announcers accuses another of avoiding dinner checks
 Chug - A drunken Hall of Fame quarterback hits on a marginally attractive sideline reporter
 Chug - The Ravens are playing and anyone but Ray Lewis is mic'ed up
 Chug - Any of the SFL crew mentions Ray Lewis' criminal record

[slappy]

"Pick 'em apart"  :roll:  
 
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[Frank Gallagher]

Does anyone watch that game sober??? I mean.....how could you?

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by slappy:
  "Pick 'em apart"   :roll:  
 

how else would you describe 16-18?
 
 by "pick apart" i don't mean "dominated" or "kicked ass", i mean they "picked at" the skins defense and methodically moved the ball ... the skins came up with some great stops when they needed them, and overall they played a very good defensive game ...
 
 here's a snapshot drive summaries
 
 Bucs:
 
 START   QTR   POSS.   YRDL   PLAYS   YARDS RESULT
 15:00   1   00:00   TAM 30   1   25   Kickoff Return
 14:54   1   01:13   TAM 39   3   -8   Punt
 13:00   1   04:06   TAM 37   10   50   Intercepted Pass
 04:09   1   01:12   TAM 29   3   6   Punt
 00:30   1   09:35   TAM 38   12   38   Field Goal
 05:28   2   04:05   TAM 11   9   38   Punt
 13:03   3   03:16   TAM 49   7   51   TD
 05:47   3   04:03   TAM 8   8   29   Punt
 13:18   4   05:37   TAM 14   10   67   Turnover on Downs
 05:58   4   00:31   TAM 35   3   6   Punt
 03:43   4   00:48   TAM 35   5   0   Turnover on Downs
 02:48   4   01:43   TAM 35   5   18   Intercepted Pass
 
 Skins:
 
 08:45   1   00:00   TAM 6   1   6   TD
 08:33   1   04:00   TAM 39   1   51   Def. TD
 02:07   1   01:22   WAS 16   3   4   Punt
 09:56   2   04:17   WAS 31   10   40   Field Goal
 00:30   2   00:30   WAS 15   2   -1   End of 1st Half
 15:00   3   00:00   TAM 30   1   12   Kickoff Return
 14:55   3   01:13   WAS 32   3   2   Punt
 09:34   3   03:30   WAS 35   6   16   Punt
 01:30   3   12:30   WAS 49   6   6   Punt
 07:35   4   01:21   WAS 19   3   1   Punt
 05:09   4   01:15   WAS 17   4   10   Intercepted Pass
 00:57   4   00:57   TAM 44   3   -2   End of Game

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
 
 by "pick apart"  i mean they "picked at"  

?

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by sonickteam, forum nice guy:
   

Originally posted by HoyaParanoia:
 
 by "pick apart"  i mean they "picked at"  

? [/b]

whatever, it's a football euphemism for moving the ball steadily and consistently, you know what i mean