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Re: V Fest
« Reply #270 on: April 27, 2007, 07:16:00 am »
thanks seth for the last minute booking of cheap trick  ;)
 
 I will have to say day one is pretty awesome i wish that CSS and Girl Talk would sneak over to day one.
 
 
 Any breakdown between main and second stage yet?
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Re: V Fest
« Reply #271 on: April 27, 2007, 09:30:00 am »
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Originally posted by Cash is King:
  Hahahaha.
  It still features one of the GREATEST punk bands ever, one of the BEST bands of the 90's, and one of the best bands ever/hottest tour of the summer.
Ok, I figured out Bad Brains and The Police but you haven't drunk the Kool-Aid to think that The Smashing Pumpkins were "one of the BEST bands of the 90's" were you!?!?  For what "1979?"   "Disarm?"  Please!  You've got to be kidding!  I'll give them "Gish."  That was a great album.  But anything after that is a megalomaniac believing his own hype.  Enough people told Billy Corgan he was a genius and "the spokesman of his generation" after Cobain that he actually believed it.  How can you take him seriously after "Machina"...Zwan...the solo album....his book of poetry?!?!!  What a pompous ass he is.
 
 Plus, it's not even the original line-up!  It's Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlain and a bunch of hired guns.  It's as much "Smashing Pumpkins" as the band Axl Rose sings with now is "Guns N Roses."  What aren't they just billed at V-fest as Zwan II?
 
 Nostalgia for "great" bands that you "missed" in the 1990's because you were too young or didn't realize how "legendary" they were is a very dangerous affliction.  Don't waste your money or time.  Nostalgia is evil.
 
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Re: V Fest
« Reply #272 on: April 27, 2007, 09:43:00 am »
brian wallace just redefined the word crotchety.
 
 did billy corgan kill your dog when you were young?

Re: V Fest
« Reply #273 on: April 27, 2007, 09:47:00 am »
Word!
 
 
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
   
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Originally posted by Cash is King:
  Hahahaha.
  It still features one of the GREATEST punk bands ever, one of the BEST bands of the 90's, and one of the best bands ever/hottest tour of the summer.
Ok, I figured out Bad Brains and The Police but you haven't drunk the Kool-Aid to think that The Smashing Pumpkins were "one of the BEST bands of the 90's" were you!?!?  For what "1979?"   "Disarm?"  Please!  You've got to be kidding!  I'll give them "Gish."  That was a great album.  But anything after that is a megalomaniac believing his own hype.  Enough people told Billy Corgan he was a genius and "the spokesman of his generation" after Cobain that he actually believed it.  How can you take him seriously after "Machina"...Zwan...the solo album....his book of poetry?!?!!  What a pompous ass he is.
 
 Plus, it's not even the original line-up!  It's Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlain and a bunch of hired guns.  It's as much "Smashing Pumpkins" as the band Axl Rose sings with now is "Guns N Roses."  What aren't they just billed at V-fest as Zwan II?
 
 Nostalgia for "great" bands that you "missed" in the 1990's because you were too young or didn't realize how "legendary" they were is a very dangerous affliction.  Don't waste your money or time.  Nostalgia is evil.
 
 Brian [/b]

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Re: V Fest
« Reply #274 on: April 27, 2007, 10:05:00 am »
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
 Plus, it's not even the original line-up!  It's Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlain and a bunch of hired guns.  It's as much "Smashing Pumpkins" as the band Axl Rose sings with now is "Guns N Roses."  What aren't they just billed at V-fest as Zwan II?
 
my guess is if you look at who's in the new SP, it'd be more of a billy corgan solo tour part 2 than a zwan II.

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Re: V Fest
« Reply #275 on: April 27, 2007, 10:13:00 am »
h'ok, see you on day 2 >.>

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Re: V Fest
« Reply #276 on: April 27, 2007, 11:00:00 am »
Smashing Pumpkins were unquestionably one of the great bands of the early-90's.  If they quit in '94 they'd be much poorer, but they'd remain revered by many.
 
 "I was there" in Fall '91 when Gish was cooler than Nevermind, Ten and the other superstars of the era.  Its hard to appreciate now, but the band and Billy Corgan had an aura - they were like a self-contained artistic commune separate from everyone else.  Produced by Butch Vig (like Nirvana of course) but they were the band that remained independant - on Caroline Records - when everyone else was "selling out."  They mixed the romanticism of shoegaze w/ the intensity of the grunge scene and the result was explosive.
 
 They played the State Theatre in Detroit in Fall 91 on that great tour w/ RHCP and Pearl Jam.  Everyone was stellar that night but SP stole the show.  They were ferocious, yet romantic, and the crowd was completely out of control.
 
 The following summer their song on the Singles soundtrack was fantastic.  Every song on there was great - but SP felt like they were on a different plane.
 
 Anticipation was huge for the Gish follow-up and they delivered.  Then saw them in fall 93 in Detroit, w/ Swervedriver opening and they were at the peak of their powers.  They slayed all.
 
 And then they made a lot of money but lost the plot.  Saw them in an arena on the MCATIS tour and it truly sucked.  The wheels were off.
 
 Now Corgan has an opportunity to redeem the legacy and reclaim past glory - but again he blew it.  The key to the SP was the Yin/Yang b/w Corgan/Chamberlain and D'arcy/Iha.  It was chemistry and created that romantic/ferocious mix.  Without them involved this is not the Smashing Pumpkins anymore than the Pixies could exist without Kim Deal.
 
 So once again, to harken back to the early 90's, I give Billy Corgan the gas face.

Re: V Fest
« Reply #277 on: April 27, 2007, 11:13:00 am »
I sae the same tour, and they sucked. Laughably bad. Maybe it was an off night, or maybe it was because they were playing a hockey arena with bad sound.
 
 
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 They played the State Theatre in Detroit in Fall 91 on that great tour w/ RHCP and Pearl Jam.  Everyone was stellar that night but SP stole the show.  They were ferocious, yet romantic, and the crowd was completely out of control.
 
 

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Re: V Fest
« Reply #278 on: April 27, 2007, 11:41:00 am »
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  So once again, to harken back to the early 90's, I give Billy Corgan the gas face.
The gas face???!!!! HAHAHAHAHA That, my man, is THE post of the week.  
 
 "Black cats are bad luck/
 Bad guys wear all black/
 Must a been a white guy that started all that . . . "
 
 Billy!!!! BILLY !!! Billy Corgan gets the GAS FACE!!!
   :D

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« Reply #279 on: April 27, 2007, 04:52:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Brian_Walalce:
 Plus, it's not even the original line-up!  It's Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlain and a bunch of hired guns.  It's as much "Smashing Pumpkins" as the band Axl Rose sings with now is "Guns N Roses."  What aren't they just billed at V-fest as Zwan II?
 
my guess is if you look at who's in the new SP, it'd be more of a billy corgan solo tour part 2 than a zwan II. [/b]
I think my biggest frustration with this critique and expecation of the new version of the Pumpkins is that nobody takes into consideration INTENT, which is probably the most important factor in what the new band will sound like.  It won't be a Zwan record or a Billy Corgan solo record - because it isn't intended to be.  It is intended to be a Smashing Pumpkins album.  That intent makes all the difference in the world.
 
 Take other artists who have multiple projects or different bands - all of them will tell you that when they write songs, they automatically know where it is intended to go, whether it be a solo project or a side project or to their main efforts.
 
 So I don't think the new Smashing Pumpkins record will sound a thing like Zwan.  I don't think it'll sound a thing like the Future Embrace.  I don't even think it'll sound like any other Smashing Pumpkins record.  That's my favorite thing about the Pumpkins - no two records sound alike.  And I like all of them for that fact - they're different.  They have different sounds, different instrumentations, different emotions.  Discard that as a runaway ego if you want.  I'd rather embrace it as a band unafraid to reinvent itself from album to album.  
 
 So as a fan, I'm excited.  And I'm looking forward to seeing the new lineup and hearing the new record, no matter who is in the band.  Because ultimately, the Pumpkins was about Billy Corgan - for better or for worse.

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Re: V Fest
« Reply #280 on: April 27, 2007, 05:06:00 pm »
the DJ's will be IN TENT
 
 Billy will be on the big stage

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Re: V Fest
« Reply #281 on: April 27, 2007, 05:19:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
  the DJ's will be IN TENT
 
 Billy will be on the big stage
Who doubted this?
 
 Would you mind giving us an idea of who the mainstagers are on day 2?

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« Reply #282 on: April 27, 2007, 11:39:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
  the DJ's will be IN TENT
 
 Billy will be on the big stage
Who doubted this?
 
 Would you mind giving us an idea of who the mainstagers are on day 2? [/b]
seth was making a funny!!!  :)

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Re: V Fest
« Reply #283 on: April 28, 2007, 10:20:00 am »
well it was supposed to be anyway

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Re: V Fest
« Reply #284 on: April 28, 2007, 11:17:00 am »
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  well it was supposed to be anyway
Sorry, my fault.