Is Justin over 21?

[Justin Tonation]

I just noticed the Timberlake show is 21+. What up with that, Seth? I thought 9:30 was all ages all times.

[Guiny]

Since he probably won't start til 12:30 a.m. or 1 a.m. it probably isnt a bad move making it over 21.

[Arlette]

Timberlake is probably very expensive, in order to make any money (sometimes break even) you have to have drinkers in there.  Can't pack a house with people who are buying sodas and water and still be able to afford a high-priced act.

[Jaguär]

Justin is now trying to appeal to a more adult audience. It's probably the only way that they could force the little girlies out and maintain an entirely "adult" audience. Also, by restricting the crowd to adults only, it makes it look like it's working.

Is Justin over 21 centimeters???
 
 Fuck a damn Justin, when is Michael Jackson cumming?  Justin Timberlake???  930 has just lost any cred it once had.
 
 And howzabout that Partridge family reunion ?

[Shadrach]

Originally posted by +H�?� �?ömþæ¥ Ððør§:
  Is Justin over 21 centimeters???
 
 Fuck a damn Justin, when is Michael Jackson cumming?  Justin Timberlake???  930 has just lost any cred it once had.
 
 And howzabout that Partridge family reunion ?

I love it when people start up with the 9:30 "losing it's cred" stuff. What a bunch of crap. The club is a business, not a non-profit organization. I thought the whole point of starting a business was to make money, you know earn a profit? Without the occasional big name act/big ticket price you wouldn't get all the ultra hip indie rock or alt country or whatever is currently cool to like shows with the $15 ticket price.

[paige]

Originally posted by Shadrach:
  I love it when people start up with the 9:30 "losing it's cred" stuff. What a bunch of crap. The club is a business, not a non-profit organization. I thought the whole point of starting a business was to make money, you know earn a profit? Without the occasional big name act/big ticket price you wouldn't get all the ultra hip indie rock or alt country or whatever is currently cool to like shows with the $15 ticket price.

Thank you, Shadrach. I resent hearing people complain about 930 "selling out" or whatever.... if you don't bring in money, you can't stay in business nor can you bring in the elitist indie fuck bands....Besides, I bet the Justin show will be interesting. He's not untalented. Everyone (well a lot of people) on this board claim to "listen to everything" or at least have some form of variance in their musical tastes... and then they immediately slam (did i just use that word?) Justin Timberlake, when there really are worse things in music.   :mad:

Originally posted by Shadrach:
 I love it when people start up with the 9:30 "losing it's cred" stuff[...]The club is a business, not a non-profit organization. I thought the whole point of starting a business was to make money, you know earn a profit?[/QB]

You seem to be saying here, Sadsack, that integrity can be de-linked from business practice.   Via your logic, booking OJ Simpson would bring high-paying hordes thru the gates too.  A stinkeroo like Justin leaves a definite, cheesy aftertaste.
 
     

Originally posted by paige:
 Thank you, Shadrach[...]Besides, I bet the Justin show will be interesting. He's not untalented[...]there really are worse things in music.

Just what was Justin's main talent again?  He's the prepackaged "Tiger Beat" Leif Garrett of today.  He's a dumbed-down, Wal-Mart version of David Cassidy.  
 "...not untalented," indeed!  His mother, his agent and all of their accountants would, doubtless agree with your assessment of his 'bankable' talent, paige.  He's product.  You're a tool.
 
 "I swear that you are Hitler's clone
 You spread disease wherever you roam
 Got the brains of a garden gnome
 Why are you a moron?"

[Shadrach]

Originally posted by +H�?� �?ömþæ¥ Ððør§:
   

Originally posted by Shadrach:
 I love it when people start up with the 9:30 "losing it's cred" stuff[...]The club is a business, not a non-profit organization. I thought the whole point of starting a business was to make money, you know earn a profit?[/b]

You seem to be saying here, Sadsack, that integrity can be de-linked from business practice.   Via your logic, booking OJ Simpson would bring high-paying hordes thru the gates too.  A stinkeroo like Justin leaves a definite, cheesy aftertaste.
 
     

Originally posted by paige:
 Thank you, Shadrach[...]Besides, I bet the Justin show will be interesting. He's not untalented[...]there really are worse things in music.

Just what was Justin's main talent again?  He's the prepackaged "Tiger Beat" Leif Garrett of today.  He's a dumbed-down, Wal-Mart version of David Cassidy.  
 "...not untalented," indeed!  His mother, his agent and all of their accountants would, doubtless agree with your assessment of his 'bankable' talent, paige.  He's product.  You're a tool.
 
 "I swear that you are Hitler's clone
 You spread disease wherever you roam
 Got the brains of a garden gnome
 Why are you a moron?" [/QB]

Yawn. Get some new material.

[Seth Hurwitz]

just got back from being away for a week, so sorry for the delay in responding
 
 OK...first things first...
 
 the 21 and over thing was totally Justin's deal. he is definitely trying to establish the aforementioned  "cred", and wanted it to be grown-ups only, presumably to be more performance-oriented and less screamy. also, because it's such a late show, the thought was that it might be irresponsible to allow such a young crowd to be defying mommy & daddy and coming down to the bowels of the U Street corridor after Metro. or maybe they were trying to protect mommy & daddy. in any event, we didn't feel it was worth fighting over. had it been a regular showtime, we definitely would have.
 
 now, about this "cred" thing. there's this judge somehwere down South thinking that the Ten Commandments is the ultimate "cred" and that everybody should fall in line with that way of thinking. the Nazis had a similar approach (as do most Republicans, IMHO). who is to say what is hip and what is not? try and tell the people that fill up the club for Justin that they should NOT be enjoying this.
 
 there is a big difference between promoting a murderer and/or bigot (we once refused Professor Griff a gig until he apologized for his remarks, which he didn't), and a boy-band refugee. personally, I think that people that take all of this that seriously should get over themselves, and try and learn how to be happier. I'll say it agian...stop thinking about what you're thinking about and just enjoy life.

[paige]

Originally posted by Shadrach:
  Yawn. Get some new material.

I second that. You're starting to repeat yourself. Calling me a tool doesn't help, either.

[jadetree]

Originally posted by Seth Hurwitz:
  just got back from being away for a week, so sorry for the delay in responding
 
 OK...first things first...
 
 the 21 and over thing was totally Justin's deal. he is definitely trying to establish the aforementioned  "cred", and wanted it to be grown-ups only, presumably to be more performance-oriented and less screamy. also, because it's such a late show, the thought was that it might be irresponsible to allow such a young crowd to be defying mommy & daddy and coming down to the bowels of the U Street corridor after Metro. or maybe they were trying to protect mommy & daddy. in any event, we didn't feel it was worth fighting over. had it been a regular showtime, we definitely would have.
 
 now, about this "cred" thing. there's this judge somehwere down South thinking that the Ten Commandments is the ultimate "cred" and that everybody should fall in line with that way of thinking. the Nazis had a similar approach (as do most Republicans, IMHO). who is to say what is hip and what is not? try and tell the people that fill up the club for Justin that they should NOT be enjoying this.
 
 there is a big difference between promoting a murderer and/or bigot (we once refused Professor Griff a gig until he apologized for his remarks, which he didn't), and a boy-band refugee. personally, I think that people that take all of this that seriously should get over themselves, and try and learn how to be happier. I'll say it agian...stop thinking about what you're thinking about and just enjoy life.

yeah everybody shut up, Justin is going to have a real problem selling records and tickets if you say it is not cool to like him, you have to like him, it is not ok to think there is such a thing as god awful music, espcially when it is force fed to everyone through every method possible, how many places are most bands that people like on this board dismissed out of pure ignorance and Justin praised out of pure spending power, I think it is fine for a few people on this board to say Justin is not cool, doh! stop thinking, enjoy life, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, the computer has lights on it, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
 why doesn't everybody just stop being so sensitive about what people say is cool or not

As an analogy, the "old" Nightclub 930 was comparable to the old WHFS's programming department.
 
 And the new 930 to the new & improved 'HFS as well...
 
 BTW: ...Sorry for existing.  I'm simply waiting for Dr.Kevorkian's parole.

[thatguy]

maybe justin timberlake is crap.  maybe everything you or i listen to is crap.  if about a thousand people, many of whom are probably going to his show at mci as well, want to drop $45 to see him and have a great time, what difference is it to you?  nobody's making anybody listen, or go to the show.  
 
 news flash:  musical taste is subjective.  it cannot be quantified.  
 
 everything is crap to somebody.
 
 i'm curious as to why you assume that the music you like is dismissed based on ignorance, but that timberlake is popular just because of spending power.  it seems an awfully biased way of looking at things to me.  
 
 if it's possible that you have listened to both types of music and decided on one option, it's possible that others have done the same and decided on another option.  it's also possible that there are people that listen to both.  odd how that works, isn't it?

[jadetree]

Originally posted by thatguy:
  maybe justin timberlake is crap.  maybe everything you or i listen to is crap.  if about a thousand people, many of whom are probably going to his show at mci as well, want to drop $45 to see him and have a great time, what difference is it to you?  nobody's making anybody listen, or go to the show.  
 
 news flash:  musical taste is subjective.  it cannot be quantified.  
 
 everything is crap to somebody.
 
 i'm curious as to why you assume that the music you like is dismissed based on ignorance, but that timberlake is popular just because of spending power.  it seems an awfully biased way of looking at things to me.  
 
 if it's possible that you have listened to both types of music and decided on one option, it's possible that others have done the same and decided on another option.  it's also possible that there are people that listen to both.  odd how that works, isn't it?

ig·no·rance    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (gnr-ns)
 n.
 The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.
 
 I know from experience that most people (outside of this board) have never heard of a lot of the music I listen to, and therefore are ignorant of it.  I also am guessing a lot of people heard of Justin Timberlake because there is a lot of money being spent to make it that way.  My point being what does it hurt if I state my opinion that Justin Timberlake sucks.  He will still sell tickets for $45, so why do you care if I say anything about him.
 
 and the fact is, this is not about being cool or not, a lot of bands that I like struggle to make it because of the music industry, if people heard them, they would probably be pretty succesful, i bet if you take any song and play it on the radio a lot it will be successful, so it pisses me off to see Justin Timberlake get this kind of success because years ago he was probably picked out of some audition to be in a boy band and sing music written by somebody else