Is Justin over 21?

[Joymonster]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  The Strokes and Stripes are just as shitty to me as Phish is. So it's really all subjective.
 
   

Originally posted by Mobius:
  That's why I said indie "style" instead of indie.  I really don't what indie is, but I'd say, other than technically, brmc, white stripes and the strokes still "feel" indie (of course, i haven't heard the new brmc or strokes so that's an assumption). each band still lives in its own universe despite big label support. you could say that also makes a band like phish indie, and that's probably true- just not indie rock, more like indie shit.

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You finally said something that I can agree with

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  The Strokes and Stripes are just as shitty to me as Phish is. So it's really all subjective.
 

i thought you were being technical?  now you are being subjective?  hmmm, i think that makes Rhett pretty "indie"

[Celeste]

Originally posted by Mobius:
  That's why I said indie "style" instead of indie.  I really don't what indie is, but I'd say, other than technically, brmc, white stripes and the strokes still "feel" indie ...each band still lives in its own universe despite big label support...

what a load of crap

[ggw]

[rhett]Only alt.country bands that play at iota are truly indie.  The rest of the 'indie' crap is flavor-of-the-week mass market drivel that is being force-fed to you sheep waiting at the trough of commercialized coolness.[/rhett]

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  The Strokes and Stripes are just as shitty to me as Phish is. So it's really all subjective.
 

everyone quit putting the Strokes and the White Stripes in the same category. They sound NOTHING alike, arent on the same label, and just because they played a FEW shows together and the same group of truck driver hat hipsters and trendy college/high school kids listen to them, does not mean they need to be mentioned in the same breath (unless you wanna say you hate them both, i suppose)

[Celeste]

ha ha...
 seriously, though, we can all admit that the term "indie" doesn't really mean "indie" anymore...same thing for movies...once you have to put the word "style" after a descriptor, that kinda signals that your term has been diluted...
 now Joe Pernice...he's indie

[mankie]

Originally posted by bags:
 

 DAMN you are tough, Rhett.  Remind me not to show you my cd collection; many of the bands can be found on Allmusicguide.  What a mainstream loser I am. [/b]

bags, just remember, if it was Rhett's cd collection it wouldn't be mainstream...it would be alt-country.  

[Bags]

Yeah it's been diluted, but mostly across the board we understand what it means.  So who cares, because that's all that really matters when you're trying to communicate a thought, no?  That you communicate it in such a way as to achieve a mutual understanding?  
 
 In my opinion, indie rock or pop is definitely a particular style.  When someone describes a band that way, I feel like I have some sense of where they're coming from.
 
 

Originally posted by Celeste:
  ha ha...
 seriously, though, we can all admit that the term "indie" doesn't really mean "indie" anymore...same thing for movies...once you have to put the word "style" after a descriptor, that kinda signals that your term has been diluted...
 now Joe Pernice...he's indie

[markie]

the strokes and the white stripes were both signed to small indie labels, initially, where they gained their indie cred. But when someone says indie rock or indie pop to me, it makes me think of types of music not what record labels a band maybe on. The term has transcended its original meaning.

[Bags]

Hmmm, I'm not so familiar with that whole alt.country thing.  Is there an indie branch to that as well??      [/b][/quote]

[sonickteam2]

I think Wilco is pretty Indie, i mean, didnt they BUY their own record back from the label so they could release it on an independant label?  
   thats so indie, its unreal.....they payed like half a million dollars to be indie.

[markie]

Originally posted by Celeste:
 
 now Joe Pernice...he's indie

yeah, he is on subpop, right? Do you think if he sold a half a million albums he would stay on Subpop?

[markie]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  I think Wilco is pretty Indie.

Yeah, Sire and Warner were pretty great indie labels.

[ggw]

Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
   

Originally posted by Celeste:
 
 now Joe Pernice...he's indie

yeah, he is on subpop, right? Do you think if he sold a half a million albums he would stay on Subpop? [/b]

Probably not.  But if he went major, Rhett would resort to the old "I like his earlier stuff much better" claim.

[mankie]

Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
   

Originally posted by Celeste:
 
 now Joe Pernice...he's indie

yeah, he is on subpop, right? Do you think if he sold a half a million albums he would stay on Subpop? [/b]

Nope, he'd graduate to alt-country.