Is Justin over 21?

[markie]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
   But who said indie=good, majors=bad?
 
 

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 Well if the major is only interested in manufactured pop, written by some dodgy songwriting team, like the matrix. Then majors are bad. For the strokes and whitestripes I dont think it matters except they get more media space.

[ggw]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I say yes, you do lose the "indie" tag. But who said indie=good, majors=bad?
 

Nobody.  But "indie" is more often used to describe a band's style of music than to describe the band's business arrangements.  I mean, you call a band alt-country whether they are on a major or an independent.  Same with metal.  But when someone says an "indie" band, do you think, "A band that is not business partners with a multi-national recording company?"  Or do you take that term to mean they sound unlike what is generally played on the narrow confines of radio and MTV?

[mjnova]

Originally posted by Anton Newcombe:
   

Originally posted by ggw™:
  [simply because you are actually making money now?

I am with you on this one GGW....
 
 as for the strokes well they released 4 singles on roughtrade:
 
   http://www.roughtraderecords.com/  
 
 if you take b-sides then they must make up over half of their album. So does that make it an indie album afterall? [/b]

The Strokes were inevitably gonna jump ship for a major.  
 
 I think if you get more than one song consistantly played on a corperate radio station that weakens your indieness.  I know I know, the band has nothing technically to do with it, but if they have multiple tunes deemed palpable for the masses than it it's tougher to lump them in with the indie crowd.

[Bags]

ppssst, ggw, for some reason we're not getting anywhere with these explanations.  Valiant attempt, though.
 
 

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I say yes, you do lose the "indie" tag. But who said indie=good, majors=bad?
 

Nobody.  But "indie" is more often used to describe a band's style of music than to describe the band's business arrangements.  I mean, you call a band alt-country whether they are on a major or an independent.  Same with metal.  But when someone says an "indie" band, do you think, "A band that is not business partners with a multi-national recording company?"  Or do you take that term to mean they sound unlike what is generally played on the narrow confines of radio and MTV? [/b]

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I dunno, I always took indie to mean a bands record label status. indie=independent.
 
    There can be indie bands that are alt-country, lo-fi, shoegazer, trip-hop, whatever. But that's just my opinion.

[mjnova]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I dunno, I always took indie to mean a bands record label status. indie=independent.
 
    There can be indie bands that are alt-country, lo-fi, shoegazer, trip-hop, whatever. But that's just my opinion.

I think that's too hard and fast.  There are bands on majors who are still concidered indie for whatever reason.  Wilco being a prime example.  But that's more in keeping with my radio example.  If folks in the mainstream don't hear the band then they're not necessissarily mainstream even if they're on say Capitol (which does a good job of working with college radio).

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

At least one person agrees with me...
 
 http://www.llarion.com/likes.htm

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I say yes, you do lose the "indie" tag. But who said indie=good, majors=bad?
 

Nobody.  But "indie" is more often used to describe a band's style of music than to describe the band's business arrangements.  I mean, you call a band alt-country whether they are on a major or an independent.  Same with metal.  But when someone says an "indie" band, do you think, "A band that is not business partners with a multi-national recording company?"  Or do you take that term to mean they sound unlike what is generally played on the narrow confines of radio and MTV? [/b]

I agree totally here. "indie" came from Independent.  However, it has grown to more than that.  Because when i say "alternative", thats Smashing Pumpkins, Our Lady Peace, Staind, blah blah blah, whatever.  And then theres Indie which is the likes of bands on Victory, Sup-Pop, TVT (are they independent still?) XL , V2 , whatever, but if Badly Drawn Boy was on an independent label and then he signed to Warner, what would he be then?  Alternative?  nooooo, i dont think so, and isnt Dashboard Confessional on an indie label still?
 
   The point is , we ALL know what "indie" originally meant, but it has kinda changed the way its thrown around, unless you are really old and out of touch i suppose.
 
   i dont even like to use the word indie for this reason , however.

[ggw]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  At least one person agrees with me...
 
  http://www.llarion.com/likes.htm

That guy sounds like your type, Rhett.
 
 In addition to all those pictures of his "kitties," he's got this great tidbit about his background:
 
 I thought I'd tell you a little bit about my best friend in the world, the late Aaron Michael Leonard. Mikey and I met in the fall of 1977, rehearsing for The Wiz. I was the Lion, he was several parts in the chorus.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

i DON'T LIKE CATS OR NEGRO MUSICALS

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

So basically, "indie" is an ever changing, ever evolving phrase which basically means whatever music sonick happens to like at the moment.
 
 
 

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
   

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
   

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I say yes, you do lose the "indie" tag. But who said indie=good, majors=bad?
 

Nobody.  But "indie" is more often used to describe a band's style of music than to describe the band's business arrangements.  I mean, you call a band alt-country whether they are on a major or an independent.  Same with metal.  But when someone says an "indie" band, do you think, "A band that is not business partners with a multi-national recording company?"  Or do you take that term to mean they sound unlike what is generally played on the narrow confines of radio and MTV? [/b]

I agree totally here. "indie" came from Independent.  However, it has grown to more than that.  Because when i say "alternative", thats Smashing Pumpkins, Our Lady Peace, Staind, blah blah blah, whatever.  And then theres Indie which is the likes of bands on Victory, Sup-Pop, TVT (are they independent still?) XL , V2 , whatever, but if Badly Drawn Boy was on an independent label and then he signed to Warner, what would he be then?  Alternative?  nooooo, i dont think so, and isnt Dashboard Confessional on an indie label still?
 
   The point is , we ALL know what "indie" originally meant, but it has kinda changed the way its thrown around, unless you are really old and out of touch i suppose.
 
   i dont even like to use the word indie for this reason , however. [/b]

[markie]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  So basically, "indie" is an ever changing, ever evolving phrase

words never start out meaning one thing and get used for something else?
 
 deck1     ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (dk)
   n.
 A platform extending horizontally from one side of a ship to the other.
 
 
  A platform or surface likened to a ship's deck.
 
 
  A roofless, floored structure, typically with a railing, that adjoins a house.
 
 
  The roadway of a bridge or an elevated freeway.
 
 
  A pack of playing cards.
 
 
  A group of data processing cards.
 
 
  A tape deck.
 
 
  Slang. A packet of narcotics.

[Joymonster]

Dashboard Confessional...
 
 Vagrant/ Interscope Records

[sonickteam2]

thank you Anton
 
 Rhett is old and has been listening to so much alt-country lately , he has trouble understanding things.  And is starting to talk nonsense.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  So basically, "indie" is an ever changing, ever evolving phrase which basically means whatever music sonick happens to like at the moment.
 

Rhett, dont you remember , I like "mainstream" stuff like Radiohead and Kenna and The Music, thats not indie.