MLB Playoffs 2007

[vansmack]

Originally posted by le sonick:
   i still think 3 starters deep we win series if we can hit decently.
   

If the Sox can get this to go 7, you'll get your chance to prove this theory.  But I bet you won't - not with Schilling and Dice K going again.  And they're already saying Becket's back is bad - sounds like a bunch of excuses to me.  That's the sign of beaten team.

[vansmack]

Originally posted by le sonick:
  game 3 we scored 2 runs, I know you dont follow the Sox every day, but we arent built to win that many 2-1 ballgames.
 

I follow a lot of baseball, but I don't see your point here.  The Tribe isn't winning 2-1 games against the Sox - they've scored 13,4 and 7 in their 3 wins, and the Sox have lost all three.  Shocker.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by vansmack:
   

Originally posted by le sonick:
  game 3 we scored 2 runs, I know you dont follow the Sox every day, but we arent built to win that many 2-1 ballgames.
 

I follow a lot of baseball, but I don't see your point here.  The Tribe isn't winning 2-1 games against the Sox - they've scored 13,4 and 7 in their 3 wins, and the Sox have lost all three.  Shocker. [/b]

i suppose you'll argue your point longer than mine, but here it is.
 
  the red sox scored 2 runs in Game 3.  for them to win, they would need to hold the Indians to only 1, or even none.  check the stats and see how many of 96 games , the sox won scoring 1 or 2 runs.  my point being the Sox team was built to score, and they arent, therefore losing games. sure, i would have like schilling to have pitched better, but really, the sox bats have been the disappointment, and Gagne of course, but we all knew that..
 
   now if you dont mind, i have to ride my bike home...a wee bit drunk...for 3 miles...

[Chip Chanko]

But aren't the sox not scoring due to cleveland's pitching...thus it coming back to pitching in the post-season?
 
 

Originally posted by le sonick:
   

Originally posted by vansmack:
   

Originally posted by le sonick:
  game 3 we scored 2 runs, I know you dont follow the Sox every day, but we arent built to win that many 2-1 ballgames.
 

I follow a lot of baseball, but I don't see your point here.  The Tribe isn't winning 2-1 games against the Sox - they've scored 13,4 and 7 in their 3 wins, and the Sox have lost all three.  Shocker. [/b]

i suppose you'll argue your point longer than mine, but here it is.
 
  the red sox scored 2 runs in Game 3.  for them to win, they would need to hold the Indians to only 1, or even none.  check the stats and see how many of 96 games , the sox won scoring 1 or 2 runs.  my point being the Sox team was built to score, and they arent, therefore losing games. sure, i would have like schilling to have pitched better, but really, the sox bats have been the disappointment, and Gagne of course, but we all knew that..
 
   now if you dont mind, i have to ride my bike home...a wee bit drunk...for 3 miles... [/b]

[sweetcell]

Originally posted by Shemp:
  Oh, and from Boz:
 
 'But, except for the $143 million, buy-a-title Red Sox -- who now look so much like the Empire they claim to hate that they should consider switching to pinstripes

only thing worse than putting up big bucks to buy a title (hello, 2004), is putting up big bucks and not winning a title... for seven years straight.  top it all off with the mets being the only other local alternative, and we know why NYC baseball fans are so annoyed/annoying.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Chip Chanko:
  But aren't the sox not scoring due to cleveland's pitching...

thank you , thats my point.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by sweetcell:
   

Originally posted by Shemp:
  Oh, and from Boz:
 
 'But, except for the $143 million, buy-a-title Red Sox -- who now look so much like the Empire they claim to hate that they should consider switching to pinstripes

only thing worse than putting up big bucks to buy a title (hello, 2004), is putting up big bucks and not winning a title... for seven years straight.  top it all off with the mets being the only other local alternative, and we know why NYC baseball fans are so annoyed/annoying. [/b]

you're all so bitter. with the Yankees spending so much, any team in their division with a BRAIN has to spend spend spend to compete with them.
 
   or is Boston supposed to roll over and die like the other 3 teams in that division each year? what would YOU do if you were in the Yankees division.
   
   and also, what huge name free agents have the Sox "bought" their great team with.
 
    Ramirez, Daisuke and Schilling?  Varitek came eons ago, Youk, Pedroia and Papelbon are homeboys. Lowell and Beckett came via trade.  Ortiz and Wakefiend were signed as minor leaguers.   Crisp, also via trade. and Drew and Lugo were signed as free agents, but we can hardly say they were bought for a championship!!!!
 
     and in 04 are you saying we bought Trot Nixon, Kevin Millar and Bill Mueller to win a title??
 
     you have to be either joking or bitter to say that crap, seriously.

[Mobius]

If you're team is built to score in the postseason and Crisp, Lugo, JD Drew and Varitek are involved, you can't be surprised when you have problems.
 
 Cleveland (and Colorado) right now has the combination of talent, chemistry, and guys playing out of their minds (like Byrd who is completely locked in) that wins championships.  That's what the 04 Sox had.  That was not a bought championship.  In fact, I can't think of any bought championship ever in baseball.  The closest was maybe DBacks 01 . . . but they won b/c the team had chemistry and guys were playing out of their minds.
 
 When JD Drew is involved, you just feel like he's going to lose.  Like being at a cold Blackjack table.  Or having ARod in your lineup in the playoffs.  He's a human cooler.  Beckett should be strong, but the Boston line-up just doesn't look like they have what it takes.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Mobius:
  If you're team is built to score in the postseason and Crisp, Lugo, JD Drew and Varitek are involved, you can't be surprised when you have problems.
 
 Cleveland (and Colorado) right now has the combination of talent, chemistry, and guys playing out of their minds (like Byrd who is completely locked in) that wins championships.  That's what the 04 Sox had.  That was not a bought championship.  In fact, I can't think of any bought championship ever in baseball.  The closest was maybe DBacks 01 . . . but they won b/c the team had chemistry and guys were playing out of their minds.
 
 When JD Drew is involved, you just feel like he's going to lose.  Like being at a cold Blackjack table.  Or having ARod in your lineup in the playoffs.  He's a human cooler.  Beckett should be strong, but the Boston line-up just doesn't look like they have what it takes.

precisely.
 
   with what really boils down to a short postseason as far as sports go.  some good teams just get hot and win it.  
 
    here's what i thought last night. If everything were reversed between the Sox and Indians (we won in the 11th and won game 3 and 4, etc etc) i would say we were beating the Indians senseless.  so though its a slim possibility we win tomorrow.  i cant believe momentum is gonna change THAT much that winning 3 in a row is an option.
 
    but if Game 7 does happen. I want Jon Lester to start!

[Guiny]

Ortiz was signed as a minor leaguer?  I'm not sure about that, I'm pretty sure one or two years before he became a Red Sock, I told a guy in our fantasy baseball league to draft him with like his 23rd pick because he was the Twins first baseman.  Maybe he wasn't an every day player, I think he sat against lefties, but I'm pretty sure he was in the majors.
 
 I really haven't hated the Red Sox since Pedro left, but am I the only person that thought Manny should have been hit with a pitch during his next at bat for that idiot display after he hit his meaningless home run?

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Buck Satan:
  Ortiz was signed as a minor leaguer?  I'm not sure about that, I'm pretty sure one or two years before he became a Red Sock, I told a guy in our fantasy baseball league to draft him with like his 23rd pick because he was the Twins first baseman.  Maybe he wasn't an every day player, I think he sat against lefties, but I'm pretty sure he was in the majors.
 

yes, i was tired when i typed that.  Ortiz was not signed as a minor leaguer.  but he WAS released by Minnesota after 2002, and picked up basically as a player without a job, for like $1.2 million a year. (we're now paying him $13.5!!) hardly a "big free agent" signing.
 
 
 
 
   

Originally posted by Buck Satan:
 
 but am I the only person that thought Manny should have been hit with a pitch during his next at bat for that idiot display after he hit his meaningless home run?

its not just you, its every other Yankees fan and lots of old guys.   dont football players jump around and celebrate like fools after every tackle, sack, block, hit they do, no matter how meaningless?  people dont seem to mind that generally.

[Guiny]

Originally posted by le sonick:
   

 [/b]

yes, i was tired when i typed that.  Ortiz was not signed as a minor leaguer.  but he WAS released by Minnesota after 2002, and picked up basically as a player without a job, for like $1.2 million a year. (we're now paying him $13.5!!) hardly a "big free agent" signing.

 
 Agreed, he was definetely a steal and they saw something all other teams, including the Twins, didn't see.
 
 
 

its not just you, its every other Yankees fan and lots of old guys.   dont football players jump around and celebrate like fools after every tackle, sack, block, hit they do, no matter how meaningless?  people dont seem to mind that generally. [/QB]

I don't think its a Yankee thing because the Yankees had nothing to do with this.  I had 3 Red Sox players on my team this year so Its not like I hate them anymore.  What he did was not entertaining, like what football players pretty much do and now get fined for.  Even the Red Sox fans that I work with said it was a bit much.  I can understand if it were a walk off homer or an important hit, but common, it meant nothing at the time and nothing in the end.

[sonickteam2]

wait, so just the hands in the air thing?  thats all youre talking about right?

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Precisely one of the reasons why this old guy stopped watching football when he was a young guy. Blockhead jocks acting like douchebags.
 
 

Originally posted by le sonick:
 
 
 
 
   

Originally posted by Buck Satan:
 
 but am I the only person that thought Manny should have been hit with a pitch during his next at bat for that idiot display after he hit his meaningless home run?

its not just you, its every other Yankees fan and lots of old guys.   dont football players jump around and celebrate like fools after every tackle, sack, block, hit they do, no matter how meaningless?  people dont seem to mind that generally. [/b]

[Guiny]

Originally posted by le sonick:
  wait, so just the hands in the air thing?  thats all youre talking about right?

The hands in the air like he just won the world series for five seconds and walking half way to first base.