HOLY CRAP - NEW RADIOHEAD ALBUM 10/10/07

[TheDirector217]

Originally posted by callat703:
       

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
 
 Can you please start doing some research before you shoot off these unfactual, biased, fanboy fantasies of yours???  I admire your loyalty to your favorite group & all.  It's as heartwarming as a Disney movie.  Plus I will concede even in disagreement & delusion, you are quite polite.
 
 Just, facts man.  They're real important.  Facts, homey.

Dude, again, I didn't make ANY claim at all.  I asked a question, which you answered.  Calm yourself.
 
 If you'd read my posts, as opposed to reading into them, you'd recognize that with maybe one exception (and even in that case - related to Radiohead's ticket sales compared to U2 - I didn't claim it to be fact) on this thread, I haven't claimed anything that I've said is "fact." [/b]

Originally posted by callat703:
  Sure - method of distribution is still about the music itself.  This goes back to the argument that Julian was having - sure, bands have done it before, but NEVER anybody with the reach, market power, or reputation that Radiohead has.  If it isn't Radiohead, that story isn't on the front page of ANY of those news sites.

Market power, reach, & reputation.  Very important.  I already told you why the Pumpkins didn't get this much attention for it back on page 6.  But I will speak to these 3 above factors I just named:
 
 Market Power & Reach: The Pumpkins moved far more units than Radiohead & Mellon Collie/Siamese Dream spawned plenty of imitators that decade.  Even to this day.  One of my personal favorite new rock bands happens to sound kinda like The Pumpkins actually, I doubt it's deliberate (only because I know them personally) - but it is what it is.
 
 Reputation: Siamese Dream has been referred to by some boardies here & several critics as THE seminal 90s rock album.  The Pumpkins in the 90s enjoyed a high level of critical AND commercial success which is quite rare.  It's usually one or the other. Moreso, critical for Radiohead, as a decent amount of critics fawn over them as well - though nowhere near the level of you.
 
 
       

Originally posted by callat703:
       

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
   No, like I said earlier, Radiohead are my second favorite band. I just find it ridiculous the levels some of you are taking some of this. Radiohead is not the biggest band in the world, nor does media coverage over a detail only tangentially related to their musical output constitute an affirmation that they're the modern day Beatles. If I ever said any of this nonsense, I'd get flamed so quickly your head would spin.

See, I disagree with you.  I would contend that Radiohead is the biggest band in the world. [/b]

Julian, an admitted Radiohead fan, said you were wrong.  You "contend" the opposite.  Sounds like a fact to me.
 
       

Originally posted by callat703:
  But I'm not ready to concede on those other points yet...

Right after you admitted you were wrong about the U2 ticket sales argument.  Again. Something you stated as fact.  
 
 
       

Originally posted by callat703:
  Quick - somebody tell me the last album to go platinum on the day it was released?
 
       http://www.gigwise.com/news/37670/exclusive-radiohead-sell-12million-copies-of-in-rainbows      
 

You specifically said, "tell me the LAST album to go platinum the day it was released," IMPLYING the last album BEFORE this one.  I already shot down that one.  Go back & read it again.  You started with that sentence, then provided a link.  Would that not constitute something you believe to be fact???  I speak OK English, so I'll draw a parallel with imperative sentences.  
 
 e.g. If Momma 703, says "Take out the trash,"  That implies an imperative sentence.  Now it doesn't say (You) Take out the trash, but it is already implied & known.  Much like the off base statement you make saying Radiohead went platinum in one day.  Which in post was perceived to be factual by way of your wording.  But it seems you are now backtracking, as you have with the rest of your statements you made this week.  The two words "I think" are very powerful.  It's one thing if you're like sonick, & you're all "I THINK Radiohead's the best, you can't tell me shit.  End of story."  Then that's cool.  But you're talking about they'd sell more tix than U2, their "market reach" is unparalleled, & all this other shit.  And without an "in my opinion" & "I think", henceforth one would believe you think them as fact.  You seem like a nice guy, but a little out of touch.  Think of me as a distributor of reality.  
 
 I'll be quite honest & say if not for your presence here in this thread, I wouldn't have popped up so much.  Probably not at all.  Having opinions are great.  It's the reason we even have a board like this.  But it's like, again by way of your wording, it's as if you believe a lotta this shit you type to be gospel truth.  One or two woulda been bearable, but you just kept going. Nothing personal at all, it's just I want you to have correct information combined with the fact you take fanboy to a whole 'nother realm.  I simply took it upon myself to give you some actual facts about the situation.  But I shot down so many of your facts, it's to the point that I lost count . . .
 
       

[Sage 703]

Jesus.
 
 For one, the only statement you just quoted that could be interpreted as a factual statement is the one about the free release.  And I think you're absolutely wrong to say the Pumpkins were as big or bigger when they released MACHINA II.  The Pumpkins are my favorite band of all time, and you're wrong if you believe they were bigger in 2000 than Radiohead is now.  Plain and simple.  You can't argue that moving more albums is indicative of being "bigger" comparing sales in the '90s to today.  It isn't a relevant gauge anymore.  You want to debate that, fine - I'll get back to you on it when I have the time to look at numbers.  I don't right now.
 
 And I would "contend" that Radiohead is the biggest band in the world.  There is no "factual" way of determining that.  Hence "contend," which would imply that there is contention, which would imply that there are multiple ways of defining or determining "the biggest."  There is no factual, correct answer to the question, "Who is the biggest band in the world?"  I also went on to say that I think U2 would be the other band in the discussion. Look at the thread:
 
 "Actually, at this point? I think Radiohead could equal U2 in ticket sales.
 
 But you're absolutely right - I think U2 is the only other band you can include in that discussion. Bruce & The E Street are more about Bruce than they are the "band.""
 
 
 I never said "Radiohead outsells U2," which would be how one phrases a fact.  I went on to say you were right.  And you're right - "I think" and "in my opinion" are strong clarifications.  That's why I've used them in almost every post I've made on this subject.
 
 And finally, I'm fed up.  You have the nerve to say something like:
 
 "But it's like, again by way of your wording, you believe a lotta this shit you type to be gospel truth. One or two woulda been bearable, but you just kept going. Nothing personal at all, it's just I want you to have correct information combined with the fact you take fanboy to a whole 'nother realm."
 
 Fuck off.  You're twisting what I've written in two minute breaks at work to indict my level of knowledge of or attention to the music industry?  And then claiming some holier than thou "distributor of reality?"  Get over yourself.  You a) don't have a clue what I know and what I don't, because this is a distraction for me, rather than something I'm going to spend a half an hour researching and writing up for some wanker like you to tear apart, and b) don't have any more credibility than I do.  You're a name on a message board.  You've seen a lot of shows and you dig the  Police.  You think I know a damn thing about what you know and what you don't when it comes to music?
 
 Maybe the point here is that I don't take myself NEARLY as seriously as you do.  Calm the fuck down and back the fuck off.

[Mobius]

When Smashing Pumpkins released Machina II on the internet, it was the equivalent of a straight-to-DVD movie release.  The band was dead.  Credibility w/ fans rapidly deteriorated from '96 on and was non-existant by 2000.  Machina I tanked and I think they had trouble finding a label to release Machina II.
 
 Now let's talk about how Kanye went from the future to tedius in 3 easy steps.  He was a breath of fresh air and now he's no different from 50 - like the Times Square of hip-hop; hip-hop for tourists.

[manimtired]

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
     

Originally posted by callat703:
           

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
 
 Can you please start doing some research before you shoot off these unfactual, biased, fanboy fantasies of yours???  I admire your loyalty to your favorite group & all.  It's as heartwarming as a Disney movie.  Plus I will concede even in disagreement & delusion, you are quite polite.
 
 Just, facts man.  They're real important.  Facts, homey.

Dude, again, I didn't make ANY claim at all.  I asked a question, which you answered.  Calm yourself.
 
 If you'd read my posts, as opposed to reading into them, you'd recognize that with maybe one exception (and even in that case - related to Radiohead's ticket sales compared to U2 - I didn't claim it to be fact) on this thread, I haven't claimed anything that I've said is "fact." [/b]

Originally posted by callat703:
  Sure - method of distribution is still about the music itself.  This goes back to the argument that Julian was having - sure, bands have done it before, but NEVER anybody with the reach, market power, or reputation that Radiohead has.  If it isn't Radiohead, that story isn't on the front page of ANY of those news sites.

Market power, reach, & reputation.  Very important.  I already told you why the Pumpkins didn't get this much attention for it back on page 6.  But I will speak to these 3 above factors I just named:
 
 Market Power & Reach: The Pumpkins moved far more units than Radiohead & Mellon Collie/Siamese Dream spawned plenty of imitators that decade.  Even to this day.  One of my personal favorite new rock bands happens to sound kinda like The Pumpkins actually, I doubt it's deliberate (only because I know them personally) - but it is what it is.
 
 Reputation: Siamese Dream has been referred to by some boardies here & several critics as THE seminal 90s rock album.  The Pumpkins in the 90s enjoyed a high level of critical AND commercial success which is quite rare.  It's usually one or the other. Moreso, critical for Radiohead, as a decent amount of critics fawn over them as well - though nowhere near the level of you.
 
 
         

Originally posted by callat703:
           

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
   No, like I said earlier, Radiohead are my second favorite band. I just find it ridiculous the levels some of you are taking some of this. Radiohead is not the biggest band in the world, nor does media coverage over a detail only tangentially related to their musical output constitute an affirmation that they're the modern day Beatles. If I ever said any of this nonsense, I'd get flamed so quickly your head would spin.

See, I disagree with you.  I would contend that Radiohead is the biggest band in the world. [/b]

Julian, an admitted Radiohead fan, said you were wrong.  You "contend" the opposite.  Sounds like a fact to me.
 
         

Originally posted by callat703:
  But I'm not ready to concede on those other points yet...

Right after you admitted you were wrong about the U2 ticket sales argument.  Again. Something you stated as fact.  
 
 
         

Originally posted by callat703:
  Quick - somebody tell me the last album to go platinum on the day it was released?
 
          http://www.gigwise.com/news/37670/exclusive-radiohead-sell-12million-copies-of-in-rainbows        
 

You specifically said, "tell me the LAST album to go platinum the day it was released," IMPLYING the last album BEFORE this one.  I already shot down that one.  Go back & read it again.  You started with that sentence, then provided a link.  Would that not constitute something you believe to be fact???  I speak OK English, so I'll draw a parallel with imperative sentences.  
 
 e.g. If Momma 703, says "Take out the trash,"  That implies an imperative sentence.  Now it doesn't say (You) Take out the trash, but it is already implied & known.  Much like the off base statement you make saying Radiohead went platinum in one day.  Which in post was perceived to be factual by way of your wording.  But it seems you are now backtracking, as you have with the rest of your statements you made this week.  The two words "I think" are very powerful.  It's one thing if you're like sonick, & you're all "I THINK Radiohead's the best, you can't tell me shit.  End of story."  Then that's cool.  But you're talking about they'd sell more tix than U2, their "market reach" is unparalleled, & all this other shit.  And without an "in my opinion" & "I think", henceforth one would believe you think them as fact.  You seem like a nice guy, but a little out of touch.  Think of me as a distributor of reality.  
 
 I'll be quite honest & say if not for your presence here in this thread, I wouldn't have popped up so much.  Probably not at all.  Having opinions are great.  It's the reason we even have a board like this.  But it's like, again by way of your wording, it's as if you believe a lotta this shit you type to be gospel truth.  One or two woulda been bearable, but you just kept going. Nothing personal at all, it's just I want you to have correct information combined with the fact you take fanboy to a whole 'nother realm.  I simply took it upon myself to give you some actual facts about the situation.  But I shot down so many of your facts, it's to the point that I lost count . . .
 
           

[Brian_Wallace]

Let me ammend my previous statement.  (In addition to U2, The Smashing Pumpkins and Radiohead...) The Director, Le Sonick, Call At 703 and Julian also enjoy the smell of their own farts.
 
 It's going to be a fantastic, cool, crisp weekend on the East Coast, boys.  Go outside, take a hike (maybe even take Radiohead's "The Rainbow Connection" along on your Walkman!), breathe some fresh air, go fishing, throw a football...relax...chill out.  You're taking this "internet" thing WAY too seriously.
 
 Brian

[ggw]

Callat703 should probably consult his doctor about that hard-on he's been sportin' for the last four days.

[TheDirector217]

Originally posted by callat703:
  Jesus.
 
 For one, the only statement you just quoted that could be interpreted as a factual statement is the one about the free release.  And I think you're absolutely wrong to say the Pumpkins were as big or bigger when they released MACHINA II.  The Pumpkins are my favorite band of all time, and you're wrong if you believe they were bigger in 2000 than Radiohead is now.  Plain and simple.  You can't argue that moving more albums is indicative of being "bigger" comparing sales in the '90s to today.  It isn't a relevant gauge anymore.  You want to debate that, fine - I'll get back to you on it when I have the time to look at numbers.  I don't right now.
 
 And I would "contend" that Radiohead is the biggest band in the world.  There is no "factual" way of determining that.  Hence "contend," which would imply that there is contention, which would imply that there are multiple ways of defining or determining "the biggest."  There is no factual, correct answer to the question, "Who is the biggest band in the world?"  I also went on to say that I think U2 would be the other band in the discussion. Look at the thread:
 
 "Actually, at this point? I think Radiohead could equal U2 in ticket sales.
 
 But you're absolutely right - I think U2 is the only other band you can include in that discussion. Bruce & The E Street are more about Bruce than they are the "band.""
 
 
 I never said "Radiohead outsells U2," which would be how one phrases a fact.  I went on to say you were right.  And you're right - "I think" and "in my opinion" are strong clarifications.  That's why I've used them in almost every post I've made on this subject.
 
 And finally, I'm fed up.  You have the nerve to say something like:
 
 "But it's like, again by way of your wording, you believe a lotta this shit you type to be gospel truth. One or two woulda been bearable, but you just kept going. Nothing personal at all, it's just I want you to have correct information combined with the fact you take fanboy to a whole 'nother realm."
 
 Fuck off.  You're twisting what I've written in two minute breaks at work to indict my level of knowledge of or attention to the music industry?  And then claiming some holier than thou "distributor of reality?"  Get over yourself.  You a) don't have a clue what I know and what I don't, because this is a distraction for me, rather than something I'm going to spend a half an hour researching and writing up for some wanker like you to tear apart, and b) don't have any more credibility than I do.  You're a name on a message board.  You've seen a lot of shows and you dig the  Police.  You think I know a damn thing about what you know and what you don't when it comes to music?
 
 Maybe the point here is that I don't take myself NEARLY as seriously as you do.  Calm the fuck down and back the fuck off.

Your politeness just went out the window.  I'm shocked.  F-bombs??? You're giving me the Walalce treatment now.  NOW who takes themselves seriously??  It IS just a board right?  If I had low self-esteem issues & weren't so holier than thou, I'd actually be offended.            
 
     

Originally posted by Mobius:
  When Smashing Pumpkins released Machina II on the internet, it was the equivalent of a straight-to-DVD movie release.  The band was dead.  Credibility w/ fans rapidly deteriorated from '96 on and was non-existant by 2000.  Machina I tanked and I think they had trouble finding a label to release Machina II.
 
 Now let's talk about how Kanye went from the future to tedius in 3 easy steps.  He was a breath of fresh air and now he's no different from 50 - like the Times Square of hip-hop; hip-hop for tourists.

Your assessments are quite on point.  I was speaking more on a whole, as opposed to late 90s.  But Machina II was a little more widely bootlegged than you think, & original copies (there aren't many) go for nice coin.  Otherwise, on point.
 
 Far as 'Ye, his production is still genius level.  It's also still a breath of fresh air from all these ringtone rappers.  He speaks on some good shit the average person can relate with.  "Big Brother" was some real shit far as the new album.  I think it's not accurate he gets labeled as a "conscious" rapper.  He's about as materialistic as the next rapper, but he's stepped his rhyme game up leaps & bounds from "College Dropout".  Overall, that whole him vs. 50 thing was great for hip-hop.  Don't forget what he did for Common on the Be & Finding Forever albums.  He's doing a lot for hip-hop.  Lord knows us hip-hop heads need it.  I think Common's new joint is better than Graduation, but that's just my "holier than thou" opinion.              
 
     

Originally posted by manimtired:
  HA! HA! HA!                      

Tell Andy, Sting, & Stewart I said what up! Hahahahahaha.
 
 Never had a chance to see 'em . . .    

[TheDirector217]

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  Callat703 should probably consult his doctor about that hard-on he's been sportin' for the last four days.

Hope everthing's in it's right place . . .
 
  <img src="http://www.biotech-weblog.com/50226711/images/viagra_sildefanil.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
 VIVAAAAAAAA VIAGRA!

[Sage 703]

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
  But Machina II was a little more widely bootlegged than you think, & original copies (there aren't many) go for nice coin.  Otherwise, on point.
 

There are 20, I believe.  Vinyl only.
 
 The other substantial difference of note was that the Pumpkins did NOT release the album online.  They gave fan sites, radio stations, and friends of the band (including the Metro, which still has the album available for download on their website) vinyl editions of the record and told them to distribute them as they saw fit.  Obviously this meant digitally, but the band itself did not release the album via the web.

[distance]

Originally posted by callat703:
   

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
  But Machina II was a little more widely bootlegged than you think, & original copies (there aren't many) go for nice coin.  Otherwise, on point.
 

There are 20, I believe.  Vinyl only.
 [/b]

25 acetates were made.
 
 cd stuff is probably the q101 versions which were given away by the radio station.

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

I'm not even going to attempt to read the 2-3 pages of this thread that've popped-up since I've been gone. But suffice to say, it's mere continuation only proves you all need to get ahold of your lives.

[distance]

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
  I'm not even going to attempt to read the 2-3 pages of this thread that've popped-up since I've been gone. But suffice to say, it's mere continuation only proves you all need to get ahold of your lives.

dude, when i left wednesday morning for ohio, it was on page 2.  when i got back there were 8.  i'm not fucking reading any of it.

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by distance:
  when i left wednesday morning for ohio,

Oh yeah? Whaddya go to Ohio for?

[distance]

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
   

Originally posted by distance:
  when i left wednesday morning for ohio,

Oh yeah? Whaddya go to Ohio for? [/b]

explosions in the sky.

[kosmo vinyl]

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
       
 
 Nah, but I'm fucking with you, man.  I made it a point to commend you on your politeness earlier.  Normally I wouldn't dignify shit like this with a response, cause opinions outside my "circle" mean less than nothing to me.  I think you're a polite guy, so I'll say I think you mistook my sarcasm/confidence for me trying to roast you.  Not at all.  Plus how can you get mad at a post with The Count?  I thought everyone loved Muppets?!  Oh, well . . . Just the holier than thou in me, I assume.
 
 Just make sure you & sonick save me a spot in line at the next Radiohead show.              
 
     

Having meet the Director while reading this post I heard his voice inside my head... True Story  :p