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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: atomic on March 04, 2014, 05:26:31 pm
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Are there any quality stores in the area to buy baby stuff like Cribs and Strollers and stuff like that?
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No. All the specialty stores are overpriced. Just go to costco or target.
http://www.buybuybaby.com/
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No. All the specialty stores are overpriced. Just go to costco or target.
http://www.buybuybaby.com/
So there is a buy buy baby store in Rockville. They seem to have a lot of stuff online, I wonder if their stores have as much stuff. I am not worried so much about cost. More concerned about seeing stuff in person.
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No. All the specialty stores are overpriced. Just go to costco or target.
http://www.buybuybaby.com/
So there is a buy buy baby store in Rockville. They seem to have a lot of stuff online, I wonder if their stores have as much stuff. I am not worried so much about cost. More concerned about seeing stuff in person.
Their store is a bit overwhelming. The first time we went in, we never made it out of the stroller aisle.
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Yes, there's a huge amount of stuff. And they play the right music and make it smell right and suck you in with lots of cute baby stuff that you don't need but will end up buying if you're prone to that kind of thing.
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Just go to Babies'r'Us
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No. All the specialty stores are overpriced. Just go to costco or target.
http://www.buybuybaby.com/
So there is a buy buy baby store in Rockville. They seem to have a lot of stuff online, I wonder if their stores have as much stuff. I am not worried so much about cost. More concerned about seeing stuff in person.
That's a great store if you are looking for Chinese-made particle board furniture full of kid-friendly stuff like formaldehyde and melamine (not to be confused with methylamine).
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We never used a crib and very seldom used any stroller other than a jogging stroller.
I suggest a shared bed or co-sleeper and then later a futon mattress as better alternatives to cribs.And Baby Bjorns or other slings as much more convenient and nurturing alternatives to strollers.
You can get all of those items new online. Better yet, you can probably find them in good shape used for a fraction of the cost on Craigslist.
You're welcome.
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Just go to Babies'r'Us
Everything there looked super low quality and flimsy.
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We never used a crib and very seldom used any stroller other than a jogging stroller.
I suggest a shared bed or co-sleeper and then later a futon mattress as better alternatives to cribs.And Baby Bjorns or other slings as much more convenient and nurturing alternatives to strollers.
You can get all of those items new online. Better yet, you can probably find them in good shape used for a fraction of the cost on Craigslist.
You're welcome.
We aren't a bunch of hippies.
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what are you going to do when a dingo . . . eats your baby?
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Just go to Babies'r'Us
Everything there looked super low quality and flimsy.
because it is. go with solid wood and untreated for your crib. cheap mattresses off gas tons of chemicals too. Sucks to drop cash on this stuff, but it's important. Unlike bigscreen TVs and European cars
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We never used a crib and very seldom used any stroller other than a jogging stroller.
I suggest a shared bed or co-sleeper and then later a futon mattress as better alternatives to cribs.And Baby Bjorns or other slings as much more convenient and nurturing alternatives to strollers.
You can get all of those items new online. Better yet, you can probably find them in good shape used for a fraction of the cost on Craigslist.
You're welcome.
I wonder what you would have told him if he had actually asked for parenting advice. Maybe "go to ikea"? Seems like you have your answers and your questions sorted incorrectly.
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have a baby . . . wait eighteen years . . . they become this:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/04/justice/student-sues-parents-new-jersey/
enjoy.
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My point was to think about what kind of parent you want to be before just going out and reacting to a pregnancy by buying a bunch of shit "you're supposed to have". I think you yourself made the same exact point earlier.
When we were pregnant, we went out and bought crap we were "supposed to buy". We ended up throwing away the crib after never using it, and either selling or giving away the stroller we never used.
We never used a crib and very seldom used any stroller other than a jogging stroller.
I suggest a shared bed or co-sleeper and then later a futon mattress as better alternatives to cribs.And Baby Bjorns or other slings as much more convenient and nurturing alternatives to strollers.
You can get all of those items new online. Better yet, you can probably find them in good shape used for a fraction of the cost on Craigslist.
You're welcome.
I wonder what you would have told him if he had actually asked for parenting advice. Maybe "go to ikea"? Seems like you have your answers and your questions sorted incorrectly.
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You were pregnant?
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If you?re in this camp about plural pregnancy announcements, you probably understand that pregnancy is something, that while physically done by the mother alone, take team work. This team work is about mentally and emotionally preparing for the arrival of a new baby into the family. It can also be about the physical support that a new mom needs as she?s going through pregnancy. (Think someone to help do house work, while she?s throwing up in the bathroom.) Typically people in this camp are pregnant for the first time are or trying to conceive. (It?s not to say that it can?t be done or done right, it?s just to say that it?s really hard to feel like you?re a team when only one of you is sick or doesn?t want to eat. The opposite is also true, when you?re alone the one feeling the baby move, that?s a pretty special secret.)
You were pregnant?
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have a baby . . . wait eighteen years . . . they become this:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/04/justice/student-sues-parents-new-jersey/
enjoy.
She looks like she'd be a wildcat, if you catch my drift.
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Just go to Babies'r'Us
Everything there looked super low quality and flimsy.
because it is. go with solid wood and untreated for your crib. cheap mattresses off gas tons of chemicals too. Sucks to drop cash on this stuff, but it's important. Unlike bigscreen TVs and European cars
The question is where would one buy such quality mattresses and cribs?
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My point was to think about what kind of parent you want to be before just going out and reacting to a pregnancy by buying a bunch of shit "you're supposed to have". I think you yourself made the same exact point earlier.
When we were pregnant, we went out and bought crap we were "supposed to buy". We ended up throwing away the crib after never using it, and either selling or giving away the stroller we never used.
We never used a crib and very seldom used any stroller other than a jogging stroller.
I suggest a shared bed or co-sleeper and then later a futon mattress as better alternatives to cribs.And Baby Bjorns or other slings as much more convenient and nurturing alternatives to strollers.
You can get all of those items new online. Better yet, you can probably find them in good shape used for a fraction of the cost on Craigslist.
You're welcome.
I wonder what you would have told him if he had actually asked for parenting advice. Maybe "go to ikea"? Seems like you have your answers and your questions sorted incorrectly.
James Ford is the angriest hippie in the world. I am certainly not going to buy a used futon mattress on craigslist.
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have a baby . . . wait eighteen years . . . they become this:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/04/justice/student-sues-parents-new-jersey/
enjoy.
I don't get it. She is 18 the school is picking up the cost of her remaining high school. What is she sueing for? Join the military is my advice.
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James, when your child was above 30lbs or so, did you continue to schelp her around in a bjorn/sling?
Also, how long did your child sleep in bed with you? I'm assuming you didn't drop her on to a futon at 6 months?
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Just go to Babies'r'Us
Everything there looked super low quality and flimsy.
because it is. go with solid wood and untreated for your crib. cheap mattresses off gas tons of chemicals too. Sucks to drop cash on this stuff, but it's important. Unlike bigscreen TVs and European cars
The question is where would one buy such quality mattresses and cribs?
if you had posted this two months ago, I would have literality given this to you as we tried to sell on craigslist to no avail, offered to friends then and gave it to Goodwill
Pacific Rim Cribs (http://www.thecleanbedroom.com/Organic_Nursery/Pacific_Rim_Cribs.htm)
But we kinda are hippies ;D (at least when it comes to stuff for the wee ones)
The co-sleeper is a good idea and you would use that for first few months
So you have plenty of time on the crib
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James, when your child was above 30lbs or so, did you continue to schelp her around in a bjorn/sling?
30lbs...don't you think they'd be walking at this point!?
Slings are great, especially for the dads. my only comment on these...the baby should face you
sensory overload for them and they can't look at you for reassurance everything is ok with all those scary noises and bright lights.
I imagine this is what it would be like visiting JF's house stroller (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLvpLbQwAM4)
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James, when your child was above 30lbs or so, did you continue to schelp her around in a bjorn/sling?
30lbs...don't you think they'd be walking at this point!?
Slings are great, especially for the dads. my only comment on these...the baby should face you
sensory overload for them and they can't look at you for reassurance everything is ok with all those scary noises and bright lights.
I imagine this is what it would be like visiting JF's house stroller (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLvpLbQwAM4)
Sure, they're walking but if you're out on an all day jaunt, your 1.5 year old isn't going to walk five miles.
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Maybe Babies'r'Us has changed since I was last in there five years ago but unless you're Gwenyth Paltrow, I think they have a range of products from low quality to very good quality and my anecdotal evidence is based on using them for two kids.
Also, taking your kid for long walks in a stroller is so fun. I did love doing the same with the (unbelievably overpriced) Baby Bjorn, and the backpack carrier, and the sling, but I'd take my kids for 5-mile walks around the city and the stroller worked very well for that.
I'm against the co-sleeper and the whole idea of the babies sleeping in the parents' bed. I understand that it works for some people, but both my kids are amazing sleepers and I attribute that largely to their being comfortable alone in their crib, racecar beds, big boy beds, and now regular twin beds.
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If you?re in this camp about plural pregnancy announcements, you probably understand that pregnancy is something, that while physically done by the mother alone, take team work. This team work is about mentally and emotionally preparing for the arrival of a new baby into the family. It can also be about the physical support that a new mom needs as she?s going through pregnancy. (Think someone to help do house work, while she?s throwing up in the bathroom.) Typically people in this camp are pregnant for the first time are or trying to conceive. (It?s not to say that it can?t be done or done right, it?s just to say that it?s really hard to feel like you?re a team when only one of you is sick or doesn?t want to eat. The opposite is also true, when you?re alone the one feeling the baby move, that?s a pretty special secret.)
You were pregnant?
Nice cut & paste job.
http://pregnancy.about.com/od/announcingyourpregnancy/a/We-Are-Pregnant-Are-We-Pregnant.htm
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Thanks, Sherlock.
If you?re in this camp about plural pregnancy announcements, you probably understand that pregnancy is something, that while physically done by the mother alone, take team work. This team work is about mentally and emotionally preparing for the arrival of a new baby into the family. It can also be about the physical support that a new mom needs as she?s going through pregnancy. (Think someone to help do house work, while she?s throwing up in the bathroom.) Typically people in this camp are pregnant for the first time are or trying to conceive. (It?s not to say that it can?t be done or done right, it?s just to say that it?s really hard to feel like you?re a team when only one of you is sick or doesn?t want to eat. The opposite is also true, when you?re alone the one feeling the baby move, that?s a pretty special secret.)
You were pregnant?
Nice cut & paste job.
http://pregnancy.about.com/od/announcingyourpregnancy/a/We-Are-Pregnant-Are-We-Pregnant.htm
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If you?re in this camp about plural pregnancy announcements, you probably understand that pregnancy is something, that while physically done by the mother alone, take team work. This team work is about mentally and emotionally preparing for the arrival of a new baby into the family. It can also be about the physical support that a new mom needs as she?s going through pregnancy. (Think someone to help do house work, while she?s throwing up in the bathroom.) Typically people in this camp are pregnant for the first time are or trying to conceive. (It?s not to say that it can?t be done or done right, it?s just to say that it?s really hard to feel like you?re a team when only one of you is sick or doesn?t want to eat. The opposite is also true, when you?re alone the one feeling the baby move, that?s a pretty special secret.)
You were pregnant?
Nice cut & paste job.
http://pregnancy.about.com/od/announcingyourpregnancy/a/We-Are-Pregnant-Are-We-Pregnant.htm
lol
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If you?re in this camp about plural pregnancy announcements, you probably understand that pregnancy is something, that while physically done by the mother alone, take team work. This team work is about mentally and emotionally preparing for the arrival of a new baby into the family. It can also be about the physical support that a new mom needs as she?s going through pregnancy. (Think someone to help do house work, while she?s throwing up in the bathroom.) Typically people in this camp are pregnant for the first time are or trying to conceive. (It?s not to say that it can?t be done or done right, it?s just to say that it?s really hard to feel like you?re a team when only one of you is sick or doesn?t want to eat. The opposite is also true, when you?re alone the one feeling the baby move, that?s a pretty special secret.)
You were pregnant?
Nice cut & paste job.
http://pregnancy.about.com/od/announcingyourpregnancy/a/We-Are-Pregnant-Are-We-Pregnant.htm
I don't know which way is worse as this is just about the dumbest thing I have ever read. Would be worse if James Ford had written it or is it worse that he tried to pretend these were his own thoughts.
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But didn't you feel like there was more of a bonding experience going on when you had them in the sling as opposed to a stroller?
When it came to five mile walks/runs, our jogging strollers definitely were the way to go.
There also comes an age where the kids themselves should be walking, and not sitting in a stroller. WTF is up with people having their four year olds in a stroller?
Also, taking your kid for long walks in a stroller is so fun. I did love doing the same with the (unbelievably overpriced) Baby Bjorn, and the backpack carrier, and the sling, but I'd take my kids for 5-mile walks around the city and the stroller worked very well for that.
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It sounds like it's straight from an article. Are you really so dumb that you can't tell what is copied and pasted from an article and what someone is typing on a message board apart?
If you?re in this camp about plural pregnancy announcements, you probably understand that pregnancy is something, that while physically done by the mother alone, take team work. This team work is about mentally and emotionally preparing for the arrival of a new baby into the family. It can also be about the physical support that a new mom needs as she?s going through pregnancy. (Think someone to help do house work, while she?s throwing up in the bathroom.) Typically people in this camp are pregnant for the first time are or trying to conceive. (It?s not to say that it can?t be done or done right, it?s just to say that it?s really hard to feel like you?re a team when only one of you is sick or doesn?t want to eat. The opposite is also true, when you?re alone the one feeling the baby move, that?s a pretty special secret.)
You were pregnant?
Nice cut & paste job.
http://pregnancy.about.com/od/announcingyourpregnancy/a/We-Are-Pregnant-Are-We-Pregnant.htm
I don't know which way is worse as this is just about the dumbest thing I have ever read. Would be worse if James Ford had written it or is it worse that he tried to pretend these were his own thoughts.
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Just go to Babies'r'Us
Everything there looked super low quality and flimsy.
because it is. go with solid wood and untreated for your crib. cheap mattresses off gas tons of chemicals too. Sucks to drop cash on this stuff, but it's important. Unlike bigscreen TVs and European cars
The question is where would one buy such quality mattresses and cribs?
if you had posted this two months ago, I would have literality given this to you as we tried to sell on craigslist to no avail, offered to friends then and gave it to Goodwill
Pacific Rim Cribs (http://www.thecleanbedroom.com/Organic_Nursery/Pacific_Rim_Cribs.htm)
But we kinda are hippies ;D (at least when it comes to stuff for the wee ones)
The co-sleeper is a good idea and you would use that for first few months
So you have plenty of time on the crib
Thanks for the link. I don't think I like the idea of the co sleeper because instead of the wife waking up and going to another room she would be keeping me awake in my room. I guess this might work for James Ford because he doesn't sleep in the same room as his wife.
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It sounds like it's straight from an article. Are you really so dumb that you can't tell what is copied and pasted from an article and what someone is typing on a message board apart?
If you?re in this camp about plural pregnancy announcements, you probably understand that pregnancy is something, that while physically done by the mother alone, take team work. This team work is about mentally and emotionally preparing for the arrival of a new baby into the family. It can also be about the physical support that a new mom needs as she?s going through pregnancy. (Think someone to help do house work, while she?s throwing up in the bathroom.) Typically people in this camp are pregnant for the first time are or trying to conceive. (It?s not to say that it can?t be done or done right, it?s just to say that it?s really hard to feel like you?re a team when only one of you is sick or doesn?t want to eat. The opposite is also true, when you?re alone the one feeling the baby move, that?s a pretty special secret.)
You were pregnant?
Nice cut & paste job.
http://pregnancy.about.com/od/announcingyourpregnancy/a/We-Are-Pregnant-Are-We-Pregnant.htm
I don't know which way is worse as this is just about the dumbest thing I have ever read. Would be worse if James Ford had written it or is it worse that he tried to pretend these were his own thoughts.
James you got caught. Just admit it. Like all your other ideas they come from other people.
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My wife is a very strong woman. 30 pounds=piece of cake,
We had a co-sleeper attached to our bed for about six months. We then moved her into a futon.
Turned out to be very convenient. Rather than be awakened multiple times for feedings in the middle of the night and have to trot from one room to the next, my wife could just shove the breast in daughter's face and they'd both quickly fall back asleep together.
This worked very well during the breastfeeding years, and there were no sleep issues for my daughter (Not to mention both my wife and I got better sleep than if the kid had been in a crib in another room).
James, when your child was above 30lbs or so, did you continue to schelp her around in a bjorn/sling?
Also, how long did your child sleep in bed with you? I'm assuming you didn't drop her on to a futon at 6 months?
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Thanks for the link. I don't think I like the idea of the co sleeper because instead of the wife waking up and going to another room she would be keeping me awake in my room. I guess this might work for James Ford because he doesn't sleep in the same room as his wife.
Sadly my wife wanted me to feel the pain :o
but I sleep like a rock and am fine on 4 hours sleep
But the first few months if you are breast feeding ...co sleeper is the way to go
getting up and going into another room to breast feed opposed to just rolling over and doing it is so much easier
I do think at a certain point they need to get in their own bed in their own room, I'm not a family bed kind guy
that's insane
Family I knew in SF had a 4 year old and twins in their bed everynight (still do I imagine)
no f'n way
I'm not into the attachment parenting stuff.
I think the sling is great...and when I lived in SF, I'd get out and do the hills for an hour or so with them in the sling...great workout and they slept the whole time.
and long trips out in the parks or around town, the strollers do come in handy for the under 3 crowd
Also don't get a sit up stroller for an infant...get a pram.
babies should be seated until they are able to sit up on their own
people always try way too hard to get babies to the next stage...
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As someone who is going through all of this right now, so far we used a co-sleeper the first six weeks and just put her in her own room (a whopping six feet away) last week. The first month was tough (but not nearly as brutal as some make it out to be), but she's to the point now where she'll sleep for five/six hours straight, feed, and then sleep for an additional three hours or so.
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Did anyone hear the interview with Blossom on Stern?
Talk about a crazy ass parent. Wow.
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one of the best interviews in a while! shes a tad off putting crazy, but oh so intelligent, put together and well grounded, as well. hey, it could be worse, she could be alicia silverstone mom crazy. but breast feeding until two and reading signals when your kid wants to poop and pee . . . really? come on blossom! buy a damn diaper, so they can go running through walmart with it full of shit, like everybody else.
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one of the best interviews in a while! shes a tad off putting crazy, but oh so intelligent, put together and well grounded, as well. hey, it could be worse, she could be alicia silverstone mom crazy. but breast feeding until two and reading signals when your kid wants to poop and pee . . . really? come on blossom! buy a damn diaper, so they can go running through walmart with it full of shit, like everybody else.
I agree... highly intelligent, humorous, but neurotic as all hell.
Milk baths!
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"its not milk, howard . . . stop trying to make it sound weird. it's a purification bath. like a jacuzzi."
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Did anyone hear the interview with Blossom on Stern?
Talk about a crazy ass parent. Wow.
You would have to be insane to go on the Howard Stern show. I can't believe he still has a show.
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Did anyone hear the interview with Blossom on Stern?
Talk about a crazy ass parent. Wow.
You would have to be insane to go on the Howard Stern show. I can't believe he still has a show.
He's one of the best interviewers out there... can't say I really enjoy the other hijinx on his show.
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what, you dont want to know whats in sals sack?
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Our daughter was potty trained by two and breast fed until she was nearly three. My wife enjoyed breast feeding much more than she (or I) enjoyed changing diapers.
one of the best interviews in a while! shes a tad off putting crazy, but oh so intelligent, put together and well grounded, as well. hey, it could be worse, she could be alicia silverstone mom crazy. but breast feeding until two and reading signals when your kid wants to poop and pee . . . really? come on blossom! buy a damn diaper, so they can go running through walmart with it full of shit, like everybody else.
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until three? good lord . . . those must have been, some boobs of steel.
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The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommends that breastfeeding continue for at least 12 months, and thereafter for as long as mother and baby desire. The World Health Organization recommends continued breastfeeding up to 2 years of age or beyond.
until three? good lord . . . those must have been, some boobs of steel.
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The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommends that breastfeeding continue for at least 12 months, and thereafter for as long as mother and baby desire. The World Health Organization recommends continued breastfeeding up to 2 years of age or beyond.
until three? good lord . . . those must have been, some boobs of steel.
It would be funny to see a 14 year old breast feeding from his mom in public.
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Our daughter was potty trained by two and breast fed until she was nearly three. My wife enjoyed breast feeding much more than she (or I) enjoyed changing diapers.
one of the best interviews in a while! shes a tad off putting crazy, but oh so intelligent, put together and well grounded, as well. hey, it could be worse, she could be alicia silverstone mom crazy. but breast feeding until two and reading signals when your kid wants to poop and pee . . . really? come on blossom! buy a damn diaper, so they can go running through walmart with it full of shit, like everybody else.
WTF? You need to stop sharing what you and your wife are doing to your daughter. It is weird. The 6 oz of beer a night. the seperate bedrooms, the breast feeding until 3 the 18 year old car. It is too much for my mind to handle. I am begining to think you are just making shit up.
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So you're saying you're some kind of conformist who does everything the way the rest of the world does things? You have no peculiarities up your sleeve?
Our daughter was potty trained by two and breast fed until she was nearly three. My wife enjoyed breast feeding much more than she (or I) enjoyed changing diapers.
one of the best interviews in a while! shes a tad off putting crazy, but oh so intelligent, put together and well grounded, as well. hey, it could be worse, she could be alicia silverstone mom crazy. but breast feeding until two and reading signals when your kid wants to poop and pee . . . really? come on blossom! buy a damn diaper, so they can go running through walmart with it full of shit, like everybody else.
WTF? You need to stop sharing what you and your wife are doing to your daughter. It is weird. The 6 oz of beer a night. the seperate bedrooms, the breast feeding until 3 the 18 year old car. It is too much for my mind to handle. I am begining to think you are just making shit up.
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Pretty fucking embarrassing for both, no doubt.
The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommends that breastfeeding continue for at least 12 months, and thereafter for as long as mother and baby desire. The World Health Organization recommends continued breastfeeding up to 2 years of age or beyond.
until three? good lord . . . those must have been, some boobs of steel.
It would be funny to see a 14 year old breast feeding from his mom in public.
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It would be funny to see a 14 year old breast feeding from his mom in public.
(http://timethemoment.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/1_1200521v1_cnn.jpg?w=370)
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I don't know how old that kid is, but he looks like he's seven or eight. While a kid between the ages of two and three might still wish to breast feed, I can imagine an eight year old wanting to.
It's a shame they put Dr. Sears' name on the cover with that stupid photo.
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You sound like a macho meathead.
Aint no kid of mine getting that attachment parenting bullshit! Let the fucker cry it out, goddammit!
Thanks for the link. I don't think I like the idea of the co sleeper because instead of the wife waking up and going to another room she would be keeping me awake in my room. I guess this might work for James Ford because he doesn't sleep in the same room as his wife.
Sadly my wife wanted me to feel the pain :o
but I sleep like a rock and am fine on 4 hours sleep
But the first few months if you are breast feeding ...co sleeper is the way to go
getting up and going into another room to breast feed opposed to just rolling over and doing it is so much easier
I do think at a certain point they need to get in their own bed in their own room, I'm not a family bed kind guy
that's insane
Family I knew in SF had a 4 year old and twins in their bed everynight (still do I imagine)
no f'n way
I'm not into the attachment parenting stuff.
I think the sling is great...and when I lived in SF, I'd get out and do the hills for an hour or so with them in the sling...great workout and they slept the whole time.
and long trips out in the parks or around town, the strollers do come in handy for the under 3 crowd
Also don't get a sit up stroller for an infant...get a pram.
babies should be seated until they are able to sit up on their own
people always try way too hard to get babies to the next stage...
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Hey atomic, your idol Brad Pitt shared his bed with the kids.
Brad Pitt says he and Angelina Jolie are going to need a bigger bed ? for their expanding brood.
"We're not done," Pitt, 43, quipped, acknowledging public interest in the family's growth. "They say, 'Any plans for a fifth?' And I say, 'And a sixth, and a seventh, and an eighth, and a ninth.' That's my answer."
"We also made a 9-foot-wide bed" that fits him, Jolie, 32, and all four children, Pitt who is starring in The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, told the Associated Press. "Just big enough. One more and we'll have to go to 11 feet."
The Jolie-Pitt clan already consists of four kids, all born in Asia or Africa: Maddox, 6, Pax, 3, Zahara, 2, and Shiloh, 1. And, while one parent works in front of the camera, the other takes time off to look after them.
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You sound like a macho meathead.
hmm...I suspect the comment was sarcastic...but you didn't follow with a emoticon so I don't know
:P
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Um, not really.
You do realize that by wearing the sling, you are practicing one of the tools of attachment parenting, right? Even if you're just using it as an exercise tool rather than a tool for parent and child to feel more physically and emotionally bonded.
You say the phrase "attachment parenting" the way Democrats used to try to distance themselves from the word "liberal" 20 years ago.
Granted, not all of the tenets of attachment parenting are for everyone (hell, i'm a big proponent, and I wouldn't want my elementary school kid in bed with me on a regular basis, though my wife would), but most thinking, giving, progressive parents would probably at least identify with some of attachment parenting. So stop saying it like it's a dirty word, otherwise you end up sounding like an "I only wear a sling for the exercise" macho meathead.
You sound like a macho meathead.
hmm...I suspect the comment was sarcastic...but you didn't follow with a emoticon so I don't know
:P
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P.S. I think it's more reasonable to tune in to Blossom than to Howard Stern for parenting tips.
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Attachment parents are usually the most self-righteous, lecture-y, full-of-themselves assholes. So it is just perfect that James Ford is one of them.
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Attachment parents are usually the most self-righteous, lecture-y, full-of-themselves assholes. So it is just perfect that James Ford is one of them.
I don't know why he has to give us his whacked-out opinion on how to raise your kids in every thread. I just asked for where I could get baby stuff not how to be a nut-job.
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P.S. I think it's more reasonable to tune in to Blossom than to Howard Stern for parenting tips.
I think it is much more likely that Blossom's child will go on a killing spree than Howard Stern's daughters.
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Attachment parents are usually the most self-righteous, lecture-y, full-of-themselves assholes. So it is just perfect that James Ford is one of them.
couldn't agree more
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Um, not really.
You do realize that by wearing the sling, you are practicing one of the tools of attachment parenting, right? Even if you're just using it as an exercise tool rather than a tool for parent and child to feel more physically and emotionally bonded.
You say the phrase "attachment parenting" the way Democrats used to try to distance themselves from the word "liberal" 20 years ago.
Granted, not all of the tenets of attachment parenting are for everyone (hell, i'm a big proponent, and I wouldn't want my elementary school kid in bed with me on a regular basis, though my wife would), but most thinking, giving, progressive parents would probably at least identify with some of attachment parenting. So stop saying it like it's a dirty word, otherwise you end up sounding like an "I only wear a sling for the exercise" macho meathead.
You sound like a macho meathead.
hmm...I suspect the comment was sarcastic...but you didn't follow with a emoticon so I don't know
:P
Ok just responding to you and your rant is just encouraging you to rant on more but I feel compelled to poke the warthog
Yes it is a part of attachment parenting. Inferring that I subscribe to the long list of things that is attachment parenting is like saying I'm Vegan, but I eat meat 3 or 4 times a week.
I like the sling and used it a lot, the exercise comment was in ref to the jog stroller and that the sling wasn't only for short trips, but I could actually get some strenuous exercise whilst taking the kid
I liked the sling for a lot of reasons, one was in fact being close to my child and getting feedback from them that it was in fact very comforting to them. I also like having my hands free. When using a stroller (especially on the steep hills of SF) you pretty much have to have your hands on it at all times
But slings have been around for centuries, way before attachment parenting came along
I do have a lot of issues with attachment parenting and it's philosophy and I do think it's a dirty word
obviously you have a lot of issues to work out and looks like your wife wears the pants in the family.
So it might be time to ask her for your balls back
lastly I'm liberal and proud to say it
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I prefer to think of it as being strong in my beliefs and wanting to shed some light on them to others. The way you do with gay marriage.
Attachment parents are usually the most self-righteous, lecture-y, full-of-themselves assholes. So it is just perfect that James Ford is one of them.
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I'm thinking Blossom's kids are more likely to get a PHD while Howard's daughters will either get knocked up while attending community college or else turn out to be man hating lesbians.
P.S. I think it's more reasonable to tune in to Blossom than to Howard Stern for parenting tips.
I think it is much more likely that Blossom's child will go on a killing spree than Howard Stern's daughters.
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I'm thinking Blossom's kids are more likely to get a PHD while Howard's daughters will either get knocked up while attending community college or else turn out to be man hating lesbians.
P.S. I think it's more reasonable to tune in to Blossom than to Howard Stern for parenting tips.
I think it is much more likely that Blossom's child will go on a killing spree than Howard Stern's daughters.
You are annoying. I am sure your daughter will be living with you when she is 40.
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Considering I'll be 80 and my wife 75, we'll probably welcome the free elder care.
If you don't plan on remaining close with your kids your whole life, why have them in the first place?
I'm thinking Blossom's kids are more likely to get a PHD while Howard's daughters will either get knocked up while attending community college or else turn out to be man hating lesbians.
P.S. I think it's more reasonable to tune in to Blossom than to Howard Stern for parenting tips.
I think it is much more likely that Blossom's child will go on a killing spree than Howard Stern's daughters.
You are annoying. I am sure your daughter will be living with you when she is 40.
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James reminds me so much of Sarah Palin in the way he presents the world as black or white and there are no other options.
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I prefer to think of it as being strong in my beliefs and wanting to shed some light on them to others. The way you do with gay marriage.
Attachment parents are usually the most self-righteous, lecture-y, full-of-themselves assholes. So it is just perfect that James Ford is one of them.
This is an asinine comparison. My strong anti-DOMA views are based on the injustice of denying citizens their rights and in a larger sense, viewing certain people as different or alien and therefore available to be demonized. Talk to Ratbastard about his party's shameful record of oppression if you need more information.
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relaxer . . . i want to have your, next baby. we will keep it a secret and not tell anybody.
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You've never even met me or had a conversation with me. It's rather asinine for you to make such a comment like that. For the record, my political views are probably more in line with Rachel Maddow's or Keith Olberman's, both of whom seem to see the world in similar black and white hues.
I'm just sharing the parenting skills that worked best for us, and why I think they are the best choices for others. Does that make other choices wrong? No. But obviously you feel the choices you made for your kids were the best ones for them, right? If you're not interested in my thoughts, skip them. I usually skip over your posts.
James reminds me so much of Sarah Palin in the way he presents the world as black or white and there are no other options.
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If by "wife wears the pants in your famliy" you mean she made most of the parenting decisions in the early years, then yes she wore the pants. As well she should have. She was home full time with the child and with her 24 hours a day for six straight years. She made most of the decisions, and thankfully she was spot on with most of them. And when she wasn't, I called bullshit.
20 years from now, attachment parenting will have been co-opted into the mainstream and it will no longer be a "dirty word". Just like "gay marriage" is no longer the dirty word it was with mainstream people 20 years ago.
Um, not really.
You do realize that by wearing the sling, you are practicing one of the tools of attachment parenting, right? Even if you're just using it as an exercise tool rather than a tool for parent and child to feel more physically and emotionally bonded.
You say the phrase "attachment parenting" the way Democrats used to try to distance themselves from the word "liberal" 20 years ago.
Granted, not all of the tenets of attachment parenting are for everyone (hell, i'm a big proponent, and I wouldn't want my elementary school kid in bed with me on a regular basis, though my wife would), but most thinking, giving, progressive parents would probably at least identify with some of attachment parenting. So stop saying it like it's a dirty word, otherwise you end up sounding like an "I only wear a sling for the exercise" macho meathead.
You sound like a macho meathead.
hmm...I suspect the comment was sarcastic...but you didn't follow with a emoticon so I don't know
:P
Ok just responding to you and your rant is just encouraging you to rant on more but I feel compelled to poke the warthog
Yes it is a part of attachment parenting. Inferring that I subscribe to the long list of things that is attachment parenting is like saying I'm Vegan, but I eat meat 3 or 4 times a week.
I like the sling and used it a lot, the exercise comment was in ref to the jog stroller and that the sling wasn't only for short trips, but I could actually get some strenuous exercise whilst taking the kid
I liked the sling for a lot of reasons, one was in fact being close to my child and getting feedback from them that it was in fact very comforting to them. I also like having my hands free. When using a stroller (especially on the steep hills of SF) you pretty much have to have your hands on it at all times
But slings have been around for centuries, way before attachment parenting came along
I do have a lot of issues with attachment parenting and it's philosophy and I do think it's a dirty word
obviously you have a lot of issues to work out and looks like your wife wears the pants in the family.
So it might be time to ask her for your balls back
lastly I'm liberal and proud to say it
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people are so silly.... since time began every generation thinks its got the parenting answers...
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people are so silly.... since time began every generation thinks its got the parenting answers...
If James.Ford were gay he would be on here blasting us for not giving guys blow jobs. He can only see things from his viewpoint. Or should I say his wifes viewpoint.
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If that's your way of saying you recognize that most people fall somewhere in the middle on the Kinsey Scale and you'd like to explore that fact, then bravo for you! Be responsible, be honest, and be safe. I won't tell you specifically what to do, but I think you'll figure it out.
Back to your original question. You live in BALTIMORE. Do you think that asking about baby stores on a DC ROCK club message board populated by a bunch of dudes is going to get you the best answer? For christ sake, this is a rock club message board. If you're looking to score blow, the rockers who populate this board might have the answers to your question. If you're looking to score baby supplies, why not ask LOCAL Baltimore friends and family? Or use the google and then read YELP reviews? Or ask on a parenting message board?
people are so silly.... since time began every generation thinks its got the parenting answers...
If James.Ford were gay he would be on here blasting us for not giving guys blow jobs. He can only see things from his viewpoint. Or should I say his wifes viewpoint.
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James reminds me so much of Sarah Palin in the way he presents the world as black or white and there are no other options.
+1
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If that's your way of saying you recognize that most people fall somewhere in the middle on the Kinsey Scale and you'd like to explore that fact, then bravo for you! Be responsible, be honest, and be safe. I won't tell you specifically what to do, but I think you'll figure it out.
Back to your original question. You live in BALTIMORE. Do you think that asking about baby stores on a DC ROCK club message board populated by a bunch of dudes is going to get you the best answer? For christ sake, this is a rock club message board. If you're looking to score blow, the rockers who populate this board might have the answers to your question. If you're looking to score baby supplies, why not ask LOCAL Baltimore friends and family? Or use the google and then read YELP reviews? Or ask on a parenting message board?
people are so silly.... since time began every generation thinks its got the parenting answers...
If James.Ford were gay he would be on here blasting us for not giving guys blow jobs. He can only see things from his viewpoint. Or should I say his wifes viewpoint.
I thought there might be stores in DC that people knew you jack-azz. The towns are only 40 miles apart. I can be there quicker than your morning commute. There are a ton of people with babies on here. Just because you get your baby clothes second hand doesn't mean anyone else is doing the same. I doubt many people on here are doing blow. If you don't know don't reply. Just like I don't post on the whiskey thread.
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If anyone is still interested in the attachment parenting discussion, I thought this was a pretty good blog post.
http://tinyurl.com/n43mmtl
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Did you find any businesses of interest in the Baltimore area that didn't have DC locations? Ther is a Buy Buy Baby less than 10 minutes from my house. If you don't find anything in the Baltimore area close tou your house, maybe you could go to BBB and then stop by my place for a beer afterward.
If that's your way of saying you recognize that most people fall somewhere in the middle on the Kinsey Scale and you'd like to explore that fact, then bravo for you! Be responsible, be honest, and be safe. I won't tell you specifically what to do, but I think you'll figure it out.
Back to your original question. You live in BALTIMORE. Do you think that asking about baby stores on a DC ROCK club message board populated by a bunch of dudes is going to get you the best answer? For christ sake, this is a rock club message board. If you're looking to score blow, the rockers who populate this board might have the answers to your question. If you're looking to score baby supplies, why not ask LOCAL Baltimore friends and family? Or use the google and then read YELP reviews? Or ask on a parenting message board?
people are so silly.... since time began every generation thinks its got the parenting answers...
If James.Ford were gay he would be on here blasting us for not giving guys blow jobs. He can only see things from his viewpoint. Or should I say his wifes viewpoint.
I thought there might be stores in DC that people knew you jack-azz. The towns are only 40 miles apart. I can be there quicker than your morning commute. There are a ton of people with babies on here. Just because you get your baby clothes second hand doesn't mean anyone else is doing the same. I doubt many people on here are doing blow. If you don't know don't reply. Just like I don't post on the whiskey thread.
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Okay I read that article by the "design consultant" i.e. stay-at-home mom.
Babies have, indeed, become a sort of enemy to be vanquished by the mother. Crying must be ignored so as to show the baby who is boss, and a basic premise in the relationship is that every effort should be made to force the baby to conform to the mother?s wishes.
for millions of years newborn babies have been held close to their mothers from the moment of birth and that just because in recent history we?ve taken this to be optional (or inconvenient)
The violent tearing apart of the mother-child continuum, so strongly established during the phases that took place in the womb may understandably result in depression for the mother, as well as agony for the infant.
It seems to me that attachment parents always feel it necessary to demonize those who don't subscribe to their views. Rather than teaching children to live and grow independently *and* with their parents, we're violently tearing apart the mother-child continuum. And attachment parents are always doing the attaching for honorable, noble reasons and never because they are privileged stay-at-home moms smothering their children in an urge to be needed, necessary and important.
I acknowledge that attachment parents are defensive because they take so much abuse, but I don't sympathize with them any more than I sympathize with people who run up their credit cards and then complain they're drowning in debt, to use one outta-left-field analogy.
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Okay I read that article by the "design consultant" i.e. stay-at-home mom.
Babies have, indeed, become a sort of enemy to be vanquished by the mother. Crying must be ignored so as to show the baby who is boss, and a basic premise in the relationship is that every effort should be made to force the baby to conform to the mother?s wishes.
for millions of years newborn babies have been held close to their mothers from the moment of birth and that just because in recent history we?ve taken this to be optional (or inconvenient)
The violent tearing apart of the mother-child continuum, so strongly established during the phases that took place in the womb may understandably result in depression for the mother, as well as agony for the infant.
It seems to me that attachment parents always feel it necessary to demonize those who don't subscribe to their views. Rather than teaching children to live and grow independently *and* with their parents, we're violently tearing apart the mother-child continuum. And attachment parents are always doing the attaching for honorable, noble reasons and never because they are privileged stay-at-home moms smothering their children in an urge to be needed, necessary and important.
I acknowledge that attachment parents are defensive because they take so much abuse, but I don't sympathize with them any more than I sympathize with people who run up their credit cards and then complain they're drowning in debt, to use one outta-left-field analogy.
I think day care is probably better for the kid once they are a couple of years old. More socialization is good. You need to be able to be independent and get along with others to succeed in life.
I know people who have raised their kids in the James Ford style and how I have to hear over and over again how superior their kids are and then low and behold the kids decide they don't even want to go to college. And they have no social skills and don't even have girlfriends/boyfriends in their mid 20's and no prospects and they are happy to live with their parents forever.
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Actually, that particular "stay at home mom" made $35K/year for six years as a part time design consultant from home, while taking care of a child.
I agree that some attachment parent folks can be zealots (and if you look around you will see that there are people who are against attachment parenting with as much zeal and vigor) but please tell me where that occurred in that particular essay. (?) It seems that she goes out of her way to try to be diplomatic, even if it's obvious where her heart lies.
I also agree that a sense of independence in children should be fostered. But at what age? What about when the child is a six month old baby? What is the benefit of day care at that point for the baby? Kids don't really start to play with each other until they are age three or so. I think preschool for a few hours a day is great for the 2-4 age for socialization purposes, but don't you think that 8+ hours a week five days a week might be a bit draining for the kid? How does being taken care of by an unrelated woman being paid $10 an hour (as caring as they may very well be) make a kid more independent than being taken care of by mom? Why does a two year old "need" to be independent from his parents for 40+ hours a week (and likely actually with them for significantly less than 40 waking hours a week?)
And since when is staying at home for a woman (or man)) a privilege? In my parents parenting years, that was the norm. And my dad was a blue collar guy working at a paper mill, not some rich lawyer or mid-level gov't worker. My blue collar in-laws pulled it off too. I bet often times, it's not because the family is any more financially well off than the next person, it's because they're willing to go without $300 bottles of liquor or $150 meals out or $100 concert tickets or European vacations or $40K cars, or $800K houses in the city when a house in the boring suburbs is heaps cheaper.
Other than financial reasons, is there really any reason for one parent not to be home with a child until they are two or three? Please show me the studies that prove turning your three and under child over to full time daycare is beneficial to the child.
Okay I read that article by the "design consultant" i.e. stay-at-home mom.
Babies have, indeed, become a sort of enemy to be vanquished by the mother. Crying must be ignored so as to show the baby who is boss, and a basic premise in the relationship is that every effort should be made to force the baby to conform to the mother?s wishes.
for millions of years newborn babies have been held close to their mothers from the moment of birth and that just because in recent history we?ve taken this to be optional (or inconvenient)
The violent tearing apart of the mother-child continuum, so strongly established during the phases that took place in the womb may understandably result in depression for the mother, as well as agony for the infant.
It seems to me that attachment parents always feel it necessary to demonize those who don't subscribe to their views. Rather than teaching children to live and grow independently *and* with their parents, we're violently tearing apart the mother-child continuum. And attachment parents are always doing the attaching for honorable, noble reasons and never because they are privileged stay-at-home moms smothering their children in an urge to be needed, necessary and important.
I acknowledge that attachment parents are defensive because they take so much abuse, but I don't sympathize with them any more than I sympathize with people who run up their credit cards and then complain they're drowning in debt, to use one outta-left-field analogy.
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Your comments are anecdotal opinion at best, I don't really see any science in your comments. But certainly you're entitled to your opnion.
I would agree that socialization in the 2-4 age range is necessary (before that there's not much meaningful socialization that occurs). That's why I put my kid in preschool for a few hour a day, a few days a week when she was in that age range. I think she's a natural introvert, and preschool helped bring her out of her shell quite a bit. But 40+ hour a week daycare is too tough on a two year old, imo.
I think socialization after that is important as well. That's one reason that I prefer a public or private school education (as long as it's a good school) over homeschooling.
Okay I read that article by the "design consultant" i.e. stay-at-home mom.
Babies have, indeed, become a sort of enemy to be vanquished by the mother. Crying must be ignored so as to show the baby who is boss, and a basic premise in the relationship is that every effort should be made to force the baby to conform to the mother?s wishes.
for millions of years newborn babies have been held close to their mothers from the moment of birth and that just because in recent history we?ve taken this to be optional (or inconvenient)
The violent tearing apart of the mother-child continuum, so strongly established during the phases that took place in the womb may understandably result in depression for the mother, as well as agony for the infant.
It seems to me that attachment parents always feel it necessary to demonize those who don't subscribe to their views. Rather than teaching children to live and grow independently *and* with their parents, we're violently tearing apart the mother-child continuum. And attachment parents are always doing the attaching for honorable, noble reasons and never because they are privileged stay-at-home moms smothering their children in an urge to be needed, necessary and important.
I acknowledge that attachment parents are defensive because they take so much abuse, but I don't sympathize with them any more than I sympathize with people who run up their credit cards and then complain they're drowning in debt, to use one outta-left-field analogy.
I think day care is probably better for the kid once they are a couple of years old. More socialization is good. You need to be able to be independent and get along with others to succeed in life.
I know people who have raised their kids in the James Ford style and how I have to hear over and over again how superior their kids are and then low and behold the kids decide they don't even want to go to college. And they have no social skills and don't even have girlfriends/boyfriends in their mid 20's and no prospects and they are happy to live with their parents forever.
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Isn't that your wife's blog James?
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parenting is a lot more like checkers than it is chess. any of you who think different, i suggest you find a good therapist now so someone else can have the burden of answering the question: what did we do wrong?
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I ended up purchasing crib + furniture from Great Beginnings in Gaithersburg.
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http://laughingsquid.com/baby-suiting-photo-meme-where-babies-are-dressed-in-oversized-suits/
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So we need to create a registry for the Baby Shower. I wonder if I can just do Amazon or do I need a real store as well? Baby R Us sucks balls. I don't want to go there but that seems to be the only real store in Baltimore area.
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Amazon. They also have a "new moms" discount program that anyone can sign up for. Even walky and atomic's cat.
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So we need to create a registry for the Baby Shower. I wonder if I can just do Amazon or do I need a real store as well? Baby R Us sucks balls. I don't want to go there but that seems to be the only real store in Baltimore area.
Internet and shipping, how does it work?
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I think it's obnoxious when rich people have baby registries.
But what's even more obnoxious is when people have registries for pregnancy #2 and beyond.
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I think it's obnoxious when rich people have baby registries.
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I think it's obnoxious when rich people have baby registries.
I agree, actually.
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I think it's obnoxious when rich people have baby registries.
I agree, actually.
because they don't need it (i.e., they could afford it themselves), or because the baby doesn't need it (i.e., they register a bunch of overpriced bullshit), or is there another reason i'm missing?
i have no opinion, i've only bought something on a baby registry once (it was for my sister), but i imagine i'm going to hate these things in a few years.
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I think it's obnoxious when rich people have baby registries.
But what's even more obnoxious is when people have registries for pregnancy #2 and beyond.
Who are these rich people having registries. I suppose rich people have rich friends and family.
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I think it's obnoxious when rich people have baby registries.
I agree, actually.
because they don't need it (i.e., they could afford it themselves), or because the baby doesn't need it (i.e., they register a bunch of overpriced bullshit), or is there another reason i'm missing?
i have no opinion, i've only bought something on a baby registry once (it was for my sister), but i imagine i'm going to hate these things in a few years.
Baby showers are a chick thing. You don't attend and thus don't need to get anything from a registry. We'll unless it is your sister.
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I just have problems when there's an expectation of gifts by anyone. Especially when it's by people who can afford it themselves. Something cheesy about specifying what you want your gifts to be.
I think it's obnoxious when rich people have baby registries.
I agree, actually.
because they don't need it (i.e., they could afford it themselves), or because the baby doesn't need it (i.e., they register a bunch of overpriced bullshit), or is there another reason i'm missing?
i have no opinion, i've only bought something on a baby registry once (it was for my sister), but i imagine i'm going to hate these things in a few years.
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I just have problems when there's an expectation of gifts by anyone. Especially when it's by people who can afford it themselves. Something cheesy about specifying what you want your gifts to be.
There's a couple trains of thoughts here.
(1) Have you ever not registered? I didn't register for my first wedding and took so much grief from friends and family that we broke down and registered. People wantto buy you shit whether you want it or not.
(2) I've been buying so much shit for friends and family for so many years for their stupid kids that if I do ever stick around long enough in a relationship to actually meet my child this time, there's no way I'm letting all my friends and family off the hook of returning the favor simply because I was the responsible one and waited until I was comfortable in life to have a child. That's some straight up bull shit thinking right there.
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I just have problems when there's an expectation of gifts by anyone. Especially when it's by people who can afford it themselves. Something cheesy about specifying what you want your gifts to be.
I think it's obnoxious when rich people have baby registries.
I agree, actually.
because they don't need it (i.e., they could afford it themselves), or because the baby doesn't need it (i.e., they register a bunch of overpriced bullshit), or is there another reason i'm missing?
i have no opinion, i've only bought something on a baby registry once (it was for my sister), but i imagine i'm going to hate these things in a few years.
You don't have to buy the gifts on the registry. It is supposed to make easier for the gift giver. Most of my friends gave me cash for my wedding. As did my sister and mother.
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/02/this-device-created-by-a-buenos-aires-car-mechanic-could-revolutionize-childbirth/
have your baby . . . and then get your oil changed.
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Most of my friends gave me cash for my wedding. As did my sister and mother.
Atomic's wedding?
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This thread has hit 100 replies. And people said none of my threads got that high.
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This thread has hit 100 replies. And people said none of my threads got that high.
79 are your posts!
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This thread has lies. (I write) my threads high.
what I heard
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This thread has hit 100 replies. And people said none of my threads got that high.
79 are your posts!
Not even close. You might want to read the whole thread. It does show how angry most of you are. Read the whole thread and see how few responses are actually on topic.