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Title: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: Germantown123 on February 05, 2009, 12:17:22 pm
Can't the management at 9:30 do a little customer and artist protection?   The Modest Mouse tickets sold out in, what, a milliseconds?  Only to be posted boldly on craigslist within minutes.   http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/tix/1021779061.html   This guy brags about making money and that he was able to buy, what about 13% of the tickets?    Why not limit the number of tickets that can be sold.    I know that the Modest Mouse will be please to know that they are making others rich at the expesnse of their fans.   I know it's a rant, I know that no one will do anything about it, I know, I know, I know, but it just pisses me off that actual fans, the people who WANT to see the concert are giving the shaft and I  do believe, either directly or indirectly with the nod for the 9:30 manangement.   It's very easy to stop this kind of behavior, just limit the number of tickets that you can purchase.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: dave24 on February 05, 2009, 12:25:31 pm
How have ticket limits really ever stopped anything in regards to ticket re-selling?  Resellers have had multiple tickets.com and ticketmaster.com accounts with multiple credit cards since the inception of these sites.

Barring the occasional show that limits buyers to four or less to be picked up at the door only, limits don't help.

When a limit does help, on some level it also creates more scarcity.  Whatever money is out there to be made, increases due to supply and demand.

We can all gripe all we want.  But, if scalpers could be stopped, they'd have beens stopped already.  What it boils down to is, most people don't really care.  The club is getting their money.  Tickets.com makes the same amount, regardless of who they sell to. 

It's a cycle that is very unlikely to be broken.  Really, the only thing anyone can do is resist, and not buy from the resellers.  In this economy, if someone is stuck with hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of tickets they can't use, Joe Blow internet scalper will go away.  The heavies?  They'll always find a way to get by.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: lsease on February 05, 2009, 12:27:48 pm
FYI guys, the person who posted that ad on craigslist was not serious... I emailed them to try to get them to see what the deal was, and it was a fake ad. It'd be impossible to pull 40 tickets to that show...
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: Sage 703 on February 05, 2009, 12:29:09 pm
FYI guys, the person who posted that ad on craigslist was not serious... I emailed them to try to get them to see what the deal was, and it was a fake ad. It'd be impossible to pull 40 tickets to that show...

You really believe that?  He's just starting to see backlash and backed off of it.  Why would somebody create a fake ad like that?
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: chrisinspace on February 05, 2009, 12:33:10 pm
Even if one person doesn't have 40 tickets, there are already ads on CraigsList and Ebay with multiple tickets for sale.  It's a total crock, but I guess life isn't fair.

My initial instinct was to jump on the cheapest reseller tickets I could find, but my wife (the voice of reason) convinced me that we shouldn't give them the satisfaction.  Not that it will do any good towards solving the problem, but they aren't going to get my money.  I'll try to catch another show instead...
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: lsease on February 05, 2009, 12:36:59 pm
yup- and there it is...
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: walkonby on February 05, 2009, 12:38:41 pm
if you say it long enough, will it be real?

(inside joke to my special valentine, which i still am not really sure what he meant by it)
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: kosmo vinyl on February 05, 2009, 12:45:28 pm
I do not like the way this is going... A little clean-up is in order and to the parties involved cool or it or face getting banned
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: lsease on February 05, 2009, 12:47:18 pm
Pls read above....

rediculous and retarded.

Dont worry, I am done posting... hopefully noone believes this
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: zenalex on February 05, 2009, 12:49:15 pm
Logan is the scalper. Look at his facebook. He's been selling tickets for weeks via ebay links.  You're scum and I know who you are now buddy. 
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: azaghal1981 on February 05, 2009, 12:58:43 pm
Where did all these new people (bitches?) come from?
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: walkonby on February 05, 2009, 01:08:34 pm
Where did all these new people (bitches?) come from?


this is what you get with a generation now raised on the oc, the hills, paris hilton, laguna beach, and anything to do with ryan seacrest.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: sonickteam2 on February 05, 2009, 01:12:38 pm
the scalper argument makes me laugh.  Capitalism is a brutal game of give and take.

  I have been on both side, i am not too ashamed to say.

  One time i bought 8 tickets to a Smashing Pumpkins show in MA. Thinking it would sell out, i could sell 4 tickets and me and my 3 friends could go for free.  Well, the perfect storm of 2 of my friends bailing and everyone on earth selling tickets outside (this was 2000 when people still bought and sold tickets outside) I ended up giving away the other 6 tickets....lost a lot of cash.

  Next show i went to though, RHCP/Foo Fighters/Blonde Redhead show, i decided to not buy tickets at all and we went to the show and sure enough, a desperate scalper gave us 4 tickets for $20 total!

  moral of the story:  stop going to see crappy 90s Alt Bands.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: MonkeyPants on February 05, 2009, 01:24:34 pm
Where did all these new people (bitches?) come from?


Any time a big new show is announced, we get a whole lot of newbies.  Thankfully, they go away after they get or don't get what they're looking for.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: chrisinspace on February 05, 2009, 01:30:08 pm
Where did all these new people (bitches?) come from?


Sorry, I know I don't have enough posts to sit at the cool kids' table yet, but I don't think my comments are invalid just because I'm new to this forum.  I hate the mentality that newbie = moron.  I would think you would want new people to join the forum.

I've been going to the 9:30 Club for years.  This is one of my favorite venues and I hate to see its popularity taken advantage of, so that some guy who has never been to DC can turn a quick buck.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: azaghal1981 on February 05, 2009, 01:32:51 pm
Oh...Modest Mouse.


I see now.


And making the forum more accessible than it was before makes for more bitch traffic when a show like this goes on sale.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: azaghal1981 on February 05, 2009, 02:10:52 pm
Signing up to a club's forum in order to baselessly post that said club's management is in bed with scalpers isn't exactly going to get you a positive response. I'm not saying that you did this but the OP sure as fuck did.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: Got Haggis? on February 05, 2009, 02:36:38 pm
I don't remmeber so many 930 club shows selling out before...12 listed on the main page. Animal Collective selling out before the show was even announced....this is great for the club, but i thought ticket sales were supposed to be down in a time of recession ;)
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: chrisinspace on February 05, 2009, 02:42:50 pm
I don't remmeber so many 930 club shows selling out before...12 listed on the main page. Animal Collective selling out before the show was even announced....this is great for the club, but i thought ticket sales were supposed to be down in a time of recession ;)

Hell...it's $30 to go to the movies now and get snacks.  Might as well spend a few extra bucks and go to a show...
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: Firebutt McGee on February 05, 2009, 03:15:37 pm
I haven't seen an online lisp in a while!

Anyway, the club has nothing to do with people scalping tickets. You should be grateful that they even decided to do a DC-date, because they could've just made you go all the way to Baltimore (not THAT far, btw) to see your Modest Mouse.

My advice: Suck it up, show up early on the day of the show, and just get a ticket from a fan in line, or someone that has an extra then. I've seen some of the security for the club try and regulate people getting fair prices for their tickets as much as they can, and it's VERY much appreciated.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: MonkeyPants on February 05, 2009, 03:17:54 pm
i thought ticket sales were supposed to be down in a time of recession ;)

I think a $20 concert ticket is a small luxury that most people think they can afford, so I'm not surprised that it appears ticket sales are up for a small venue like the 9:30 Club.  I'm not surprised that more expensive festivals are and probably will continue to struggle, and that bigger ticket purchases like cars are waaaaay down.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer on February 05, 2009, 03:22:04 pm
I'm not sure where you're paying 30 bucks for a movie ticket. And if you're buying the crappy snacks they sell there instead of bringing your own, you're more retarded than Isaac Brock.

I don't remmeber so many 930 club shows selling out before...12 listed on the main page. Animal Collective selling out before the show was even announced....this is great for the club, but i thought ticket sales were supposed to be down in a time of recession ;)

Hell...it's $30 to go to the movies now and get snacks.  Might as well spend a few extra bucks and go to a show...
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: sonickteam2 on February 05, 2009, 05:07:11 pm
i thought ticket sales were supposed to be down in a time of recession ;)

I think a $20 concert ticket is a small luxury that most people think they can afford, so I'm not surprised that it appears ticket sales are up for a small venue like the 9:30 Club.  I'm not surprised that more expensive festivals are and probably will continue to struggle, and that bigger ticket purchases like cars are waaaaay down.

I just bought a car

and havent been to a concert in months. :)
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: chaz on February 05, 2009, 05:12:35 pm
i thought ticket sales were supposed to be down in a time of recession ;)

I think a $20 concert ticket is a small luxury that most people think they can afford, so I'm not surprised that it appears ticket sales are up for a small venue like the 9:30 Club.  I'm not surprised that more expensive festivals are and probably will continue to struggle, and that bigger ticket purchases like cars are waaaaay down.

I just bought a car

and havent been to a concert in months. :)
What did you get??
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: sonickteam2 on February 05, 2009, 05:18:23 pm
i thought ticket sales were supposed to be down in a time of recession ;)

I think a $20 concert ticket is a small luxury that most people think they can afford, so I'm not surprised that it appears ticket sales are up for a small venue like the 9:30 Club.  I'm not surprised that more expensive festivals are and probably will continue to struggle, and that bigger ticket purchases like cars are waaaaay down.

I just bought a car

and havent been to a concert in months. :)
What did you get??

i got me a fancy new Acura TSX, smashing my wife Prius dreams!!!!
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: RustyOrgan on February 06, 2009, 01:45:15 pm
I think the club should limit ticket sales to 2 per person and require them to be picked up at will-call the night of the show where once you get your ticket you have to imm. enter the venue (no chance to resell).
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: chaz on February 06, 2009, 01:48:58 pm
i thought ticket sales were supposed to be down in a time of recession ;)

I think a $20 concert ticket is a small luxury that most people think they can afford, so I'm not surprised that it appears ticket sales are up for a small venue like the 9:30 Club.  I'm not surprised that more expensive festivals are and probably will continue to struggle, and that bigger ticket purchases like cars are waaaaay down.

I just bought a car

and havent been to a concert in months. :)
What did you get??

i got me a fancy new Acura TSX, smashing my wife Prius dreams!!!!

Nice  ;D
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: chaz on February 06, 2009, 01:50:01 pm
I think the club should limit ticket sales to 2 per person and require them to be picked up at will-call the night of the show where once you get your ticket you have to imm. enter the venue (no chance to resell).
Surely you can't be serious?
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: walkonby on February 06, 2009, 01:51:36 pm
I think the club should limit ticket sales to 2 per person and require them to be picked up at will-call the night of the show where once you get your ticket you have to imm. enter the venue (no chance to resell).

have you ever been to jam band show at the club where a line around the world forms from them needing to do full body searches on everybody coming in?  that would be every show at the club if will call only was introduced.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: dave24 on February 06, 2009, 02:15:59 pm
I think the club should limit ticket sales to 2 per person and require them to be picked up at will-call the night of the show where once you get your ticket you have to imm. enter the venue (no chance to resell).

So we can have a thread on this board about how long the lines are every time we want to go to a show?

Oh - and the long lines, and 600 will call orders per sold out show at 2 per order, means more staff each night.  And don't you think the extra manpower would be figured into future ticket costs somehow, raising the price of tickets just THAT much more?

Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: sweetcell on February 06, 2009, 02:19:37 pm
not to every show, just the "big" ones... it's not hard to figure out which shows will sell out instantly b/c of massive appeal.  the will-call-only+immediate-entry policy did wonders to limit scalping at the smashing pumpkins show (yes, i'm sure a few scalpers managed to bring in their victims, but they were very few - much much less than if advance hard tickets were mailed out).

long search lines at jam band shows have nothing to do with will-call only, and everything to do with searching for drugs and taping equipment.  those concerns are completely unrelated to will-call only.  work with me, walkies, let's not get issue mixed up here.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: sonickteam2 on February 06, 2009, 02:21:27 pm
I think the club should limit ticket sales to 2 per person and require them to be picked up at will-call the night of the show where once you get your ticket you have to imm. enter the venue (no chance to resell).
Surely you can't be serious?


dont call him shirley.

  I like how the Baltimore Orioles do it, is they have a "scalp free zone" where you can buy and sell tickets at or below face value.  If you implied the "tickets must be picked up in person" rule BUT let people dish off unused tickets for face or less , that could ease pain.

 and yes, the lines would suck, every night.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: vansmack on February 06, 2009, 02:23:08 pm
[EDIT] Damn you sonick!  Now I have to think of Lieutenant Hurwitz joke.[/EDIT]
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: dave24 on February 06, 2009, 02:33:00 pm
not to every show, just the "big" ones... it's not hard to figure out which shows will sell out instantly b/c of massive appeal.  the will-call-only+immediate-entry policy did wonders to limit scalping at the smashing pumpkins show (yes, i'm sure a few scalpers managed to bring in their victims, but they were very few - much much less than if advance hard tickets were mailed out).

long search lines at jam band shows have nothing to do with will-call only, and everything to do with searching for drugs and taping equipment.  those concerns are completely unrelated to will-call only.  work with me, walkies, let's not get issue mixed up here.

These limits just make what an avid fan will pay that much more.  Because there were so many less tickets on the market, the people who did buy for the Smashing Pumpkins show paid hundreds per ticket.  The same thing happened to the aftermarket buyers for the Beastie Boys/Sheryl Crow show last month, as well as the Bob Dylan show a few years back.

Limits like this inflate demand.  The overage for any of those shows wouldn't have been nearly that if the ticket sales weren't so limited.

Besides - how many shows are on sale for some time before they sell out?  There'd be plenty that were missed that people would complain about.  

If you look around at what happens when there's a glut of tickets for shows on the open market, the undercutting is severe.  It's a pretty rare 9:30 Club show that people really wind up paying much more than $25 over for on average.

Really - just take advantage of it when you can.  I got my Squeeze tickets from a reseller for $15 each (and that was $45 + service to start with).  I did the same for Paul Weller, well... $25 anyway...  

Anyway...  no matter what steps are taken, reselling will always exist, and people will complain about it.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: Jaguar on February 06, 2009, 02:50:15 pm
More bullshit in an already repressive society! You put all those restrictions in and you may as well call them "No 3rd and 5th Wheels Welcome" shows. You must continue to be ostresized. Stay home! You aren't wanted here. Way to go to promote a business.

What Dave said is correct about increasing demand on scalped tickets.

Also, if something comes up where you can't make a show, you're going to have to eat that ticket. You don't like it? Too bad! Eat up, sucker!

If you couldn't get to a computer when tickets went on sale or missed out otherwise, too bad. You starve!

A craptastic idea that only creates more suckage for those who just want to have some time out on the town with a night of good music. Not at all good on the business side either.

When there is a will, there is a way .... and the scalpers will always find a way to prevail. Only way to truly stop them is NOT TO BUY above face from them.

Sonick, I agree with you about the Orioles method of reselling unused tickets. It's a win/win for all without an ulterior profit motive for the scalpers.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: sonickteam2 on February 06, 2009, 02:57:51 pm

Sonick, I agree with you about the Orioles method of reselling unused tickets. It's a win/win for all without an ulterior profit motive for the scalpers.

 exactly. exactly. exactly.  While it may hurt to miss some shows, if people didnt buy scalped tickets, people wouldnt sell them.

  Which will never happen because there are always people who would rather drop $500 on a pair of front row seats as opposed to waking up early in the morning, refreshing their browser over and over ttrying to get them for cheapr.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: chaz on February 06, 2009, 03:00:58 pm
I think the club should limit ticket sales to 2 per person and require them to be picked up at will-call the night of the show where once you get your ticket you have to imm. enter the venue (no chance to resell).
Surely you can't be serious?


dont call him shirley.

 
Christ, I can't  believe it took 30 minutes for someone to bite on that one....
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: vansmack on February 06, 2009, 03:04:07 pm
In my defense, I'm 3 hours behind and had just made my way in this morning.  No excuse for the rest of you.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: dave24 on February 06, 2009, 03:05:56 pm
I also enjoy the Orioles scalp-free zone.  It's a great way to get tickets, as well as get rid of extras, without fearing consequence of buying a bogus ticket or being hassled by police/security like you're some scalper, when you just have a couple extra seats to move.

You can pretty much do this at the club too... when I've had extras, the staff has just reminded me I can only sell for face value.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: sweetcell on February 06, 2009, 03:53:02 pm
These limits just make what an avid fan will pay that much more.  Because there were so many less tickets on the market, the people who did buy for the Smashing Pumpkins show paid hundreds per ticket.  The same thing happened to the aftermarket buyers for the Beastie Boys/Sheryl Crow show last month, as well as the Bob Dylan show a few years back.

Limits like this inflate demand.  The overage for any of those shows wouldn't have been nearly that if the ticket sales weren't so limited.

wow, way to confuse issues.

the club holds 1200 people.  for shows like the smashing pumpkins, beastie boys, prince, etc there are always going to be people shut out.  it's unfair to limit a person's chance of getting in b/c they refuse to pay a scalper's ransom fee.  having a wad of cash shouldn't allow you to push your way to the front (how un-american of me, i know).  ability to scalp a show = more people trying to get tickets (fans + scalpers) = less chance for DC'er to make it in.  will-call only = only locals buy tickets = increases YOUR chance of getting in.  you do realize that the vast majority of scalpers aren't people on street corners, but online and around the world?

Besides - how many shows are on sale for some time before they sell out?  There'd be plenty that were missed that people would complain about. 

again, my suggestion of will-call only would be for "big" shows that are certain to sell out instantly.  if shows take a while to sell out, that means everyone - fans and scalpers - had a chance to buy tickets.  no one was shut out, unless they didn't plan for it.

Really - just take advantage of it when you can.  I got my Squeeze tickets from a reseller for $15 each (and that was $45 + service to start with).  I did the same for Paul Weller, well... $25 anyway... 
 
yeah, i've landed myself some sweet deals over the years thanks to night-of-show dumping.

More bullshit in an already repressive society! You put all those restrictions in and you may as well call them "No 3rd and 5th Wheels Welcome" shows. You must continue to be ostresized. Stay home! You aren't wanted here. Way to go to promote a business.

dude.  because making sure everyone gets a fair chance at tickets is EAXCTLY the same as saying who can and can't enter the club.  yup, exactly the same.

actually, scalping defines who can and can't get in: the rich.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: walkonby on February 06, 2009, 04:39:24 pm
These limits just make what an avid fan will pay that much more.  Because there were so many less tickets on the market, the people who did buy for the Smashing Pumpkins show paid hundreds per ticket.  The same thing happened to the aftermarket buyers for the Beastie Boys/Sheryl Crow show last month, as well as the Bob Dylan show a few years back.

Limits like this inflate demand.  The overage for any of those shows wouldn't have been nearly that if the ticket sales weren't so limited.

wow, way to confuse issues.

the club holds 1200 people.  for shows like the smashing pumpkins, beastie boys, prince, etc there are always going to be people shut out.  it's unfair to limit a person's chance of getting in b/c they refuse to pay a scalper's ransom fee.  having a wad of cash shouldn't allow you to push your way to the front (how un-american of me, i know).  ability to scalp a show = more people trying to get tickets (fans + scalpers) = less chance for DC'er to make it in.  will-call only = only locals buy tickets = increases YOUR chance of getting in.  you do realize that the vast majority of scalpers aren't people on street corners, but online and around the world?

Besides - how many shows are on sale for some time before they sell out?  There'd be plenty that were missed that people would complain about. 

again, my suggestion of will-call only would be for "big" shows that are certain to sell out instantly.  if shows take a while to sell out, that means everyone - fans and scalpers - had a chance to buy tickets.  no one was shut out, unless they didn't plan for it.

Really - just take advantage of it when you can.  I got my Squeeze tickets from a reseller for $15 each (and that was $45 + service to start with).  I did the same for Paul Weller, well... $25 anyway... 
 
yeah, i've landed myself some sweet deals over the years thanks to night-of-show dumping.

More bullshit in an already repressive society! You put all those restrictions in and you may as well call them "No 3rd and 5th Wheels Welcome" shows. You must continue to be ostresized. Stay home! You aren't wanted here. Way to go to promote a business.

dude.  because making sure everyone gets a fair chance at tickets is EAXCTLY the same as saying who can and can't enter the club.  yup, exactly the same.

actually, scalping defines who can and can't get in: the rich.

god you're beautiful when you post like this.  and i love the time i went to a black crowes show at da club and the guy at the door opened my cigarette pack, pulled a few out, smelled the pack, gave me a look that he would find something you dirty fucking hippie, and then begrudgingly gave them back.  i was in smiley heaven.  man, i'm glad i quit smoking.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: Jaguar on February 06, 2009, 04:49:49 pm
Dude, you wanted it down to 2 tickets. That's pretty damn low. It's not all couples only going to shows. Combine that with the fact that not everyone can actually be at a computer at 10:00AM any given day of the week. (That itself has always irritated the Hell out of me!) Guess professional surfers don't understand that at all. There are a ton of jobs out there where it is impossible for one to do so. You have all kinds of scenerios where that one professional surfer is buying for a small group of legitimate concert goers. Those very same professional surfers are sometimes the very ones stuck with extra tickets. Recipe for a loss without any scalping agendas being involved.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: dave24 on February 06, 2009, 04:54:50 pm
You have all kinds of scenerios where that one professional surfer is buying for a small group of legitimate concert goers.

Yep - I get to sit at a desk without firewalls in place to keep me from anything but gambling and porn.  But, I have plenty of friends who have blue collar jobs, or jobs that don't allow them on anything but their own intranet.  So, I get to be the designated ticket buyer many times.  I don't sweat it.  But, a LOT of these people would never get to these shows if I wasn't able to pull several tickets for them.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: sweetcell on February 06, 2009, 05:04:37 pm
Dude, you wanted it down to 2 tickets.

i assume you're directing this tirade at rusty organ, 'cause he's the one who made this suggestion.  i never said such a thing.  i think limit=2 is too low, although for high-demand shows i think 4 should be the max.

luckily for y'all, i don't make any of the rules :)
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: Jaguar on February 06, 2009, 05:14:52 pm
Dude, you wanted it down to 2 tickets.

i assume you're directing this tirade at rusty organ, 'cause he's the one who made this suggestion.  i never said such a thing.  i think limit=2 is too low, although for high-demand shows i think 4 should be the max.

luckily for y'all, i don't make any of the rules :)

Than I apologize to you.

But the general idea still stands regardless of anyone elses ideas. While I appreciate the intent that a lot of bands, venues, etc., have when they come up with some of these confounded ideas, too often they end up leaving so many of the real fans out because of some of the things I and others have noted in this thread.

I think the club usually limits to 6 (but may very well be wrong) which I think is a better number but I can understand bringing it down to 4 for a very high demand show...and I don't mean your run of the mill easy sell out either. 
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: azaghal1981 on February 06, 2009, 11:36:31 pm
Looks like someone got stuck with a glut of James Morrison tickets yesterday. (http://www.930.com/forum/index.php?topic=18350.msg273269#msg273269)



Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: sonickteam2 on February 07, 2009, 09:21:53 am
Wait a minute.  Pearl Jam has this one in the bag.  Fan clubs.  the only REAL way to do it.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: hutch on February 07, 2009, 02:27:30 pm
I agree that for big shows it should be limited to will call and 2 only per person..

This is just common sense and it works.. AC DC did this for their tour for the better sections and it worked...People like me were getting second row center for 90 bucks whereas if they had not done this scalpers would have bought them and resold them for 400 minimum....

Ultimately it comes down to an argument between some people who think that scalping/reselling is the american way and people who feel that there should be a way for fans to get reasonably priced tickets without having to resort to scalpers.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: walkonby on February 07, 2009, 03:06:57 pm
american as

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Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: xneverwherex on February 10, 2009, 01:02:09 pm
I agree that for big shows it should be limited to will call and 2 only per person..

This is just common sense and it works.. AC DC did this for their tour for the better sections and it worked...People like me were getting second row center for 90 bucks whereas if they had not done this scalpers would have bought them and resold them for 400 minimum....

Ultimately it comes down to an argument between some people who think that scalping/reselling is the american way and people who feel that there should be a way for fans to get reasonably priced tickets without having to resort to scalpers.

unfortunately i still dont get how any of these arguments are good for the fan. im up in nyc, and its rare that ive seen will-call only shows. actually i cant even remember one. but its disappointing to hear everyone talk like the 9:30 club is only open for the DC folk. Could you imagine being turned down from every NYC show, because god-forbid it was will-call only, and something could possibly come up.

we all end up eating tickets at some point in our life - but to do this for every big show is like saying to out-of-towners if theres 1% chance you cant go, you cant buy a ticket, because god-forbid you have to resell it.

For everyone complaining about how the internet made this unfair - thats BS. when I was in highschool if you wanted tickets you camped outside a ticketmaster outlet at insane hours and waited in line. Oh, sorry, you had to work? You had friends, parents whomever do what they could. I remember being the second person in line and seeing shows sell out just like that. Ah well. What could you do. You either went and prayed someone was selling tickets, or just didnt go.

Why do people act like this is so different. Its not like scalpers didn't exist then. Most *big* bands do have their own presales for their fanclubs. A lot of venues also post their own presale passwords.

and in all seriousness - were talking about modest mouse. i mean unless johnny marr is playing with him (and morrissey is making an appearance) really... we're going to argue about how someone bought more tickets. id rather shoot myself than listen to isaac brock's voice. and yes - in some cases i think its wise to use this policy, but id be reluctant to use it all the time.

i do have a suggestion which works here. theres been times when friends ordered tickets and couldnt go to the show. so it turns out the bowery allows you to bring in a copy of their id/credit card and confirmation and you can still get in. i think there needs to be something included in which if something comes up and youre willing to part with that info - someone can have your will call ticket. i mean who is going to give out cc info/id and confirm without trusting that person. it might work at the 9:30 club, but im not 100% sure on that one as I so rarely go.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: Jaguar on February 10, 2009, 01:37:35 pm
id rather shoot myself than listen to isaac brock's voice.

Please save a bullet for me!

The only thing that I sort of liked about some old Modest Mouse was the wailing guitars, all of which have since been removed with over-production.

Regarding fan club sales: While I'm all for them, I don't like it having too much pull; or basically having to depend on them; because then you end up having to sign up for way too many news letters and such. Also, I'm dead set against paid fan club programs. Just let me buy a damned ticket to the show from a legitimate ticket seller! If it were only maybe 5 shows you really wanted to keep tabs on, that's a managable amount of news letters to keep track of. But, let's face it, there are a ton of shows one would like to see that sell quick, along with all sorts of other bands that you really like whose news letters you sign up for just to keep up on what's up. In fact, I have a separate email address solely for this sort of stuff just to keep my email life in control. Even then it gets crazy. Having to depend on signing up for even more just to get a ticket is just too much. Oh, and what about all of those 9:30 email news letters that never seem to make it through to a lot of subscribers. I'm sure those aren't the only ones that get hung up in cyberspace.

Again, everyone, and I mean everyone, needs to NOT SUPPORT SCALPERS! That includes that Ticketbastard scalping reseller. Boycotts have power. If it means you miss a show, than so be it. We all miss out on a lot in life we'd love to be involved in. Deal with it.

Also, I agree that the internet has leveled the playing field immensely when trying to get tickets. I missed a whole lot of shows in the past because I couldn't get to an outlet or I refused to camp out. It's the timing of when they go on sale that still pisses me off when it comes to in demand shows. No problem with it at all for the majority of shows. Sure, some are surprise immediate sell outs but when you know up front it's going to be a quick sell, they should offer alternative on sale times. If memory serves me correct, seems that there were 2 area shows that went on sale outside of regular business hours. They were Coldplay at the 9:30 Club and Radiohead, I think, at Merriweather. Maybe a few more but that is a much more fair system based on maximum fair access for the area fans.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: sweetcell on February 10, 2009, 01:54:53 pm
we all end up eating tickets at some point in our life - but to do this for every big show is like saying to out-of-towners if theres 1% chance you cant go, you cant buy a ticket, because god-forbid you have to resell it.

that's completely wrong.  no one is forbidding you from buying tickets, it just means you have to do so knowing the consequences.  you have to commit.


and yes - in some cases i think its wise to use this policy, but id be reluctant to use it all the time.

we're been over this one previously in this thread: no one said it should be used all the time.  personally, i'd only recommend this for instant sell-outs.  as long as everyone had a decent chance at getting tickets, there is no need for will-call-only.

i do have a suggestion which works here. theres been times when friends ordered tickets and couldnt go to the show. so it turns out the bowery allows you to bring in a copy of their id/credit card and confirmation and you can still get in. i think there needs to be something included in which if something comes up and youre willing to part with that info - someone can have your will call ticket. i mean who is going to give out cc info/id and confirm without trusting that person. it might work at the 9:30 club, but im not 100% sure on that one as I so rarely go.

excellent suggestion.

p.s. there are NYC shows that have will-call only policies.  i'm seeing flight of the concords at radio city, and the first 15-20 rows are will-call only.
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: Bombay Chutney on February 10, 2009, 03:23:17 pm
i do have a suggestion which works here. theres been times when friends ordered tickets and couldnt go to the show. so it turns out the bowery allows you to bring in a copy of their id/credit card and confirmation and you can still get in. i think there needs to be something included in which if something comes up and youre willing to part with that info - someone can have your will call ticket. i mean who is going to give out cc info/id and confirm without trusting that person. it might work at the 9:30 club, but im not 100% sure on that one as I so rarely go.

Don't they already do something like this @ 9:30?
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: Vas Deferens on February 10, 2009, 03:36:30 pm
Yep. And it works for a lot of venues throughout the country too.

i do have a suggestion which works here. theres been times when friends ordered tickets and couldnt go to the show. so it turns out the bowery allows you to bring in a copy of their id/credit card and confirmation and you can still get in. i think there needs to be something included in which if something comes up and youre willing to part with that info - someone can have your will call ticket. i mean who is going to give out cc info/id and confirm without trusting that person. it might work at the 9:30 club, but im not 100% sure on that one as I so rarely go.

Don't they already do something like this @ 9:30?
Title: Re: Thanks you to the scalpers
Post by: sweetcell on January 21, 2010, 11:16:47 am
Thanks you to the scalpers, indeed!

anyone looking for cheap tickets to the sold-out thievery shows?  looks like some ticket speculators miscalculated: lots of tickets available on CL at or below face.  i should have waited, i could have gotten my tix without service charges.

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/search/tix?query=thievery&catAbbreviation=tix&minAsk=min&maxAsk=max