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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: wml7 on April 04, 2010, 09:32:08 pm
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Wow, so the redskins might actually be good now. Lucky for the ones who actually like them ;D
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Wow, so the redskins might actually be good now. Lucky for the ones who actually like them ;D
At least until he gets injured.
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McNabb is one of the greatest all-time losers in NFL history. The guy has never seen a big game he couldn't choke like a stuffed pig at.
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i love mcnabb ;D
hate the redskins :'(
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:-\
do not like
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McNabb is one of the greatest all-time losers in NFL history. The guy has never seen a big game he couldn't choke like a stuffed pig at.
Astonishingly bad body language in big games. Always looks like he doesn't give a sh*t. This seems to be a defense mechanism to cope with his tendency to blow it in crucial situations. But he's definitely a real QB up until those moments which makes him more tolerable than Campbell (who can't really be counted on in any 3rd and long) and the likes of Jimmah Clausen (ditto + a total douche)..
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if it were any other team making the move, i'd say they got a steal
because its the redskins, i'll go with spectacular failure
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Skins fans can also view what McNabb brings to the table in a completely different light than Eagles fans. In Philly they know he can get them to the playoffs, maybe even deep into the playoffs, but eventually he will break their hearts. Skins fans right now would be thrilled to get that far.
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What about the rest of the team? Getting an old, somewhat successful QB makes them immediate contenders?
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I'm sure this is totally different from Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, Jason Taylor, Dana Stubblefield, Jeff George, Adam Archuleta, etc...those guys were past their prime. ;)
Funny how they say "there's a new sheriff in town blah blah" yet they still make moves like this that have Snyder's fingerprints all over them.
McNabb, Larry Johnson, and Willie Parker. This is shaping up to be a great team - in 2006.
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Naysayers are ridiculous.. He just finished the third best season of his career and is 33....and they gave up a second round draft pick! He does not have to lead them to the super bowl to be a good trade.
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I'm sure this is totally different from Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, Jason Taylor, Dana Stubblefield, Jeff George, Adam Archuleta, etc...those guys were past their prime. ;)
McNabb, Larry Johnson, and Willie Parker. This is shaping up to be a great team - in 2006.
Exactly.
He just finished the third best season of his career and is 33....
A large part of his skill set is his mobility, and yes, he is 33. Exactly.
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But he's definitely a real QB up until those moments which makes him more tolerable than Campbell (who can't really be counted on in any 3rd and long) and the likes of Jimmah Clausen (ditto + a total douche)..
True. He's better then Campbell straight-up, and Mr. I-Quarterbacked-The-Worst-Season-In-ND's-Modern History is the second coming of Ron Paulus.
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I'm not a football fan, but this news seems about as awe-inspiring as the news of Miguel Tejada returning to the Orioles. Hey Miggy hit .313 and lead the NL in doubles last year, so he's going to turn around the O's, right?
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I'm not a football fan, but this news seems about as awe-inspiring as the news of Miguel Tejada returning to the Orioles. Hey Miggy hit .313 and lead the NL in doubles last year, so he's going to turn around the O's, right?
I know you're trying to be snarky, but that's actually a perfect analogy.
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They gave up a second round pick to get a guy who has the third-highest QB winning percentage in the league. Sure, he's no spring chicken, he misses a few games most seasons, and his record in the division and conference playoffs is suspect, but everyone seems to agree he's a major improvement over Jason Campbell, Rex Grossman, Colt Brennan, and Richard Bartel. Too bad they couldn't get Philly to take Haynesworth off their hands (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Redskins-offered-Haynesworth-in-exchange-for-McN?urn=nfl,232011).
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He just finished the third best season of his career and is 33....
A large part of his skill set is his mobility, and yes, he is 33. Exactly.
i wouldnt call mobility a large part of mcnabb's skill set for the past 5 years or so. he has a lot of miles on him from all of the hits he's taken though
miggy is a good player and all, but i dont know that there's a position in baseball that can change a team like upgrading a quarterback can
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miggy is a good player and all, but i dont know that there's a position in baseball that can change a team like upgrading a quarterback can
As I said, I'm not a football guy, so I'll defer to your superior knowledge.
And no, I'm not being snarky.
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McNabb is one of the greatest all-time losers in NFL history. The guy has never seen a big game he couldn't choke like a stuffed pig at.
McNabb has done year after year what Brady did with the Patriots in his first year. Take a bunch of no names and actually go into the playoffs and win games. I'm not a fan at all of McNabb but I never understood the hate that he garnered from Philadelphia fans. I'm really confused by all the moves we've made in the off season. We still don't have an offensive line and now we're getting an injury prone quarterback to step in? Really? He's taken the Eagles to 5 NFC Championships? He's 9-7 in post season play in his past 11 years, I'm not saying he's the best but I'd hardly shit on him for his ability to play. I'm looking forward to seeing my Skins again but my hopes are almost at an all-time low. Bruce Allen has a lot to prove to me.
On a funny side note, Vinny Ceratto called into my work a few weeks ago, he has a real bad attitude. It took all my strength not to scold him endlessly over the phone.
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I'm sure this is totally different from Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, Jason Taylor, Dana Stubblefield, Jeff George, Adam Archuleta, etc...those guys were past their prime. ;)
McNabb, Larry Johnson, and Willie Parker. This is shaping up to be a great team - in 2006.
Exactly.
He just finished the third best season of his career and is 33....
A large part of his skill set is his mobility, and yes, he is 33. Exactly.
Isn't Peyton Manning 33...?
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Are you a phone sex operator?
On a funny side note, Vinny Ceratto called into my work a few weeks ago, he has a real bad attitude. It took all my strength not to scold him endlessly over the phone.
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Are you a phone sex operator?
On a funny side note, Vinny Ceratto called into my work a few weeks ago, he has a real bad attitude. It took all my strength not to scold him endlessly over the phone.
They have operators?
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Isn't Peyton Manning 33...?
No. He's 34.....
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Manning is another notorious all-time loser; his only win of any consequence, pro or college, was against a team that had Rex Grossman for cripe's sake. Someone find where I posted his stats back around the SB with wins and losses in the NFL playoffs and in college in bowl games or vs. Florida. Staggering.
Also, comparing Manning years to McNabb years is apples and oranges. Manning gets hit about 3 times per season and his mobility has always been non-existent.
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so...every qb sucks? sounds like you're setting the bar for a trade for a second round pick awfully high
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so...every qb sucks? sounds like you're setting the bar for a trade for a second round pick awfully high
I'm setting the bar for building your franchise around someone a little higher. If you want to have McNabb for one season to transition into a new era of a QB you intend to draft, then awesome. Maybe a little bit of an overpayment for a season, but OK. But from almost every story out there, it looks like there's mutual interest in McNabb signing an extension, which effectively means handing over the franchise (which has more pressing needs to begin with) to a guy on the downslope of his career who couldn't win a big game at his pinnacle. That's my objection, not the 2nd round pick.
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you dont build a franchise around players, the nfl is a system league. mcnabb is an upgrade (and a relatively cheap one) for shanny's system. maybe if they get to a big game he'll choke, but they havent been to a big game in so long its a calculated risk. one thing i'd bet on is a mike shanahan team having a better run game to support mcnabb than any andy reid team
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Manning is another notorious all-time loser; his only win of any consequence, pro or college, was against a team that had Rex Grossman for cripe's sake. Someone find where I posted his stats back around the SB with wins and losses in the NFL playoffs and in college in bowl games or vs. Florida. Staggering.
Also, comparing Manning years to McNabb years is apples and oranges. Manning gets hit about 3 times per season and his mobility has always been non-existent.
They are 2 different quarterbacks, but I guess I'm trying to say that McNabb has never had a great supporting cast, and the one year he had a good receiver he took them to the Super Bowl. Their run game/pass game has been Michael Westbrook. I'd like to see him work in a semi-decent offense. Still incredibly worried about our rag-tag offensive line. Moreso than anything else.
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you dont build a franchise around players, the nfl is a system league.
yet nearly every super bowl winner ever has had a hall of fame level qb (capable of delivering in key situations AND capable of being a team leader), and those that didn't had all-time great defenses (and a qb that first did not harm). you need players AND you need a system.
speaking of which, shanahan's system last had great success around the same time larry johnson, willie parker, clinton portis, donovan mcnabb and marvin harrison (come on skins, pull the trigger!) were tearing up fantasy leagues . . . 2005
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who's talking super bowl for the skins? i certainly was not
they went 4-12 last year. something around 8-8 should be the goal, wild card if they are lucky
mcnabb gives you a better chance at that than campbell. its totally worth a second round pick
the colts are the only team to win a super bowl in the last 10 years to start with a qb and build a team around him. i guess you could argue the aikman cowboys and the favre packers in the last 20
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I'm not a football fan, but this news seems about as awe-inspiring as the news of Miguel Tejada returning to the Orioles. Hey Miggy hit .313 and lead the NL in doubles last year, so he's going to turn around the O's, right?
Slightly different. The Orioles signed Tejada to a one-year deal to keep 3B warm for Josh Bell, who they anticipate will be promoted sometime this year - or next. I don't think they look at him as the savior of the franchise. The Taters are talking about a 3-year deal for McNabb. Although it's possible they'll draft a young QB to hold a clipboard for a couple years.
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The Taters are talking about a 3-year deal for McNabb. Although it's possible they'll draft a young QB to hold a clipboard for a couple years.
Also different as baseball contracts are guaranteed and football contracts are not. Give him a 10-year deal with little or no guaranteed money and it won't make a difference - cut him after one year and you're barely on the hook for a cent (salary cap is a little different, but not worth discussing here).
I'm with shoeshine on this one - it certainly can't make the team worse and if he performs half as well he did last year, the Skins will be a .500 team. Was that second round defensive back really going to help the team turn the corner? It's a smart move to put butts in seats.
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Were they in danger of having their consecutive home sellout streak which dates back to 1968 busted if they didn't trade for him?
It's a smart move to put butts in seats.
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They gave McNabb the #5 jersey. The Heath Shuler connection does not portend good things.
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They gave McNabb the #5 jersey. The Heath Shuler connection does not portend good things.
What's Colt Brennan gonna do!?
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Were they in danger of having their consecutive home sellout streak which dates back to 1968 busted if they didn't trade for him?
Yes, bacause advertisers weren't spending the big bucks to advertise at/during broadcasts with a half-empty stadium (regardless of number of tickets sold).
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They gave McNabb the #5 jersey. The Heath Shuler connection does not portend good things.
What's Colt Brennan gonna do!?
He got promoted to #15. The Hoss!
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I guess I'm trying to say that McNabb has never had a great supporting cast, and the one year he had a good receiver he took them to the Super Bowl.
This is an insane piece of revisionist history. Oh yeah, the Eagles straight up sucked aside from McNabb. And that injured, not playing, T.O. was totally the difference the one year they beat a shitless Falcons team to make it to the Superbowl.
Do you all even watch the sports you talk about? Again, Jesus Christ...
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I'm not saying T.O. was the reason they went to the Super Bowl, but look at the stats... and they DID make it to the Super Bowl. They had a decent run game and an elite receiver and apparently that's all he needed to take them TO the Super Bowl. How is that insane? It happened right? Name the other elite receivers and running backs under McNabb in the past 11 years. Todd Pinkston? James Thrash? DeSean Jackson?
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I know I don't.
Ba da bing.
Do you all even watch the sports you talk about? Again, Jesus Christ...
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McNabb is going to spend so much time on his back and running for his life next season it isn't even going to be funny.
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McNabb is going to spend so much time on his back and running for his life next season it isn't even going to be funny.
A little funny
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hysterical... ;D
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Campbell a Raider (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-campbell/redskins-in-trade-talks-involv.html?hpid=topnews)
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Campbell a Raider (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-campbell/redskins-in-trade-talks-involv.html?hpid=topnews)
Shockingly, it's an immediate upgrade for Oakland, but not by much: JaMarcus Russell, Charlie Frye, Kyle Boller and Bruce Gradkowski. The Raiders can't afford both Campbell and Russell, so I suspect that Russell will be dealt or released by opening day.
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Campbell a Raider (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-campbell/redskins-in-trade-talks-involv.html?hpid=topnews)
Poor guy. He went from the third worst run organization in the NFL to the worst run organization in the NFL.
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The Raiders can't afford both Campbell and Russell, so I suspect that Russell will be dealt or released by opening day.
I meant to say "by the start of training camp. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5168757)"
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The Raiders can't afford both Campbell and Russell
"Russell won only seven of his 25 starts as the Raiders extended an NFL-worst streak to seven straight seasons with at least 11 losses. He completed just 52.1 percent of his passes in his career with 18 touchdowns, 23 interceptions, 15 lost fumbles and a passer rating of 65.2.
That means Russell has been paid more than $5 million per win, more than $2 million per touchdown pass and more than $100,000 per completion." (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5168757)
even more discouraging: http://espn.go.com/espn/thelife/salary/index?athleteId=5142920
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I sent a message to the guy in my fantasy football league who's a Raider fan:
Jamarcus Russell: Great Bust...or Greatest Bust?
I can't reprint what he replied but I can assure you it had nothing to do with football and a lot to do with certain sexual acts he would like to see performed on Russell.
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my best friend is a raiders (and pens) fan and he's almost as excited with replacing "j(off the)marc" with campbell as he is with the nhl playoffs