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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: James Ford on March 19, 2011, 06:58:32 pm
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/lululemon-bethesda-slaying-arrest-announced/2011/03/18/ABd2rJs_story.html?hpid=z4
Lululemon Bethesda slaying arrest announced; Brittany Norwood being charged with murder
When I first heard this story, I totally called bullshit. I knew the second worker had to be up to no good. Turns out I was totally right. Anybody else call this one?
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Good job Matlock ;D
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hasa! potw. You even made my wife laugh, and she doesn't laugh at anything!
Good job Matlock ;D
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Sad. I was reading up on this some more. Jayna sounded like she had a lot going for her.
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Everyone has a lot going for them.
Sad. I was reading up on this some more. Jayna sounded like she had a lot going for her.
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Not unless they are white, female, blond and in their mid to late 20s/early 30s.
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What kind of comment is that?
I'm not sure that being 30 and working in a retail job in Bethesda equals "having alot going for you" (at least career wise, I haven't read as much as Ardamus I guess) but regardless of how much or little she had going for her, it's all pretty damn tragic.
Not unless they are white, female, blond and in their mid to late 20s/early 30s.
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hasa! potw. You even made my wife laugh, and she doesn't laugh at anything!
Good job Matlock ;D
Humorless marriage - what we all strive for.
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Two words for Norwood - ROW and GAIN!!!!!
The story never gave a motive or don't they have one yet?
Also, were the heck is that street in Bethesda? I don't recognize it at all and I lived up there for 20 years.
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Two words for Norwood - ROW and GAIN!!!!!
The story never gave a motive or don't they have one yet?
Also, were the heck is that street in Bethesda? I don't recognize it at all and I lived up there for 20 years.
It's next to the Apple Store (I only know that because police reports mention that Apple Store employees heard women fighting next door around the time of the murder). I grew up in Bethesda and I don't recognize any of it either.
I wouldn't say I "called" it -- that's something frat boys do in between high fives and chugs of Wiedemann's -- but it didn't ring true for me from the very beginning. Mainly because people organized and focused enough to presumably case out and burgle a store, after hours, with ski masks even, don't take time out from their burglary work for a murder/rape.
It also seemed odd that they'd do their burglary right after closing time, when Bethesda is still pretty busy, rather than waiting until the dead of night.
Finally, the fact that the dead woman returned because the other "forgot her wallet and needed to be let in" just sounded highly bogus from the beginning.
I'm sure the Montgomery County Cops doubted all this from moment one, too, and it sounded like there was a ton of other questionable details as well, but it's not good form to publicly question a rape victim's story until the evidence is lined up.
The motive was that the woman apparently was a freakin psycho! but beyond that, apparently the dead woman caught her stealing that same day and reported her to a manager.
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You guys should become cops.
Preferably of the 'hot' variety.
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I read this in the dcexaminer:
?Murray had been instructed by her manager to look into Norwood?s purse for stolen items, prosecutors said?
If that's the case, I hope the victim's family sues the company into bankruptcy.
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Because suing brings people back from the dead?
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I read this in the dcexaminer:
?Murray had been instructed by her manager to look into Norwood?s purse for stolen items, prosecutors said?
If that's the case, I hope the victim's family sues the company into bankruptcy.
wow, what a hideously dumb thing to instruct an employee to do.
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Some of it is odd, but I figured it was a robbery that went south after they took the opportunity to rape them. I assumed they decided to run after killing the one lady..that's the only part I found strange - why they left the one lady alive. I did think it was strange it was Lulewhatever, 'cause if you're gonna go big and rob a place why not Apple? Honestly, I was surprised it is an inside job! lol
I didn't think it strange for the manger to return to the store for an employee's forgotten wallet.
If the manager only had they key, then obviously the employee would need to ask the manager to be let back in. I agree that when it's closing time for stores, lights would still be on and people about (esp. w/ Apple releasing iPad 2.0).
Yet, the manager is closing out the registers, so there's the money aspect. Store robberies and general crimes happen at all times with people around or not.
I worked retail and another store wouldn't let a customer buy something w/ a check b/c they didn't have an id. The doors were locked until the customer returned with their id, so they let them back in for purchase. The person robbed the store - all at a busy shopping area and roadway with bright lights at about 9:15 pm. (no ski masks though...maybe that was a clue in her story - criminals blend in busy areas...)
Generally in retail when an employee leaves for break or home, the manager checks their bag/purse, even a flash of the inside of a coat (or you can't put it on until you leave) to look for stolen merchandise. And if you bought something, they look in the shopping bag and look at the receipt to match items.
Perhaps she brought back to the manager to tell her to keep her mouth shut about the stolen goods? When she left I guess she went to get her big knife? Geez, poor, poor woman she killed.
Wonder why she moved the car though. I guess so it wouldn't be so easy to locate her car once someone noticed she didn't return home? Stupid if you are using the "we were robbed" story.
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Wonder why she moved the car though. I guess so it wouldn't be so easy to locate her car once someone noticed she didn't return home? Stupid if you are using the "we were robbed" story.
I think she probably just wasn't thinking clearly. She just flipped out, and then tried to cover her tracks in a panicky way.
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I've been following this story.. waiting to hear the motive. Finally saw that the details had been released. Craziness...
http://wusa9.com/news/article/142721/77/New-Gruesome-Details-In-Lululemon-Bethesda-Murder-Case
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I was in the lululemon store here in Palm Beach Gardens the other day and I have to tell you it took me all my willpower to walk out without beating the sales person to death after I saw the $64 price tag for a pair of running shorts.....sixtyfuckingfourfuckingbucks?
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I had the same feeling when my wife told me she bought some gear from there, while I myself buy all my running shorts from Goodwill for like $2.
For the record, while she may *look* better on the running trail, I'm faster.
I was in the lululemon store here in Palm Beach Gardens the other day and I have to tell you it took me all my willpower to walk out without beating the sales person to death after I saw the $64 price tag for a pair of running shorts.....sixtyfuckingfourfuckingbucks?
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i get my running gear from target
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You have to be a Grade A bonafide idiot to get busted stealing merchandise with a clean record and feel necessary to jump to the conclusion that murdering someone would be the best way to get out of it.
But, I have a feeling the perp is a Grade A piece of shit as well. When you have former friends you had falling outs with in the past squeal to the press that you were a klepto, and VOLUNTARILY ADD THEIR NAMES FOR THE RECORD, you know you are a piece of shit.
Dumbfuck.
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I've got a feeling that there was something brewing between the two for a good while. What exactly, I don't know. Would bet that there is much more there than just the immediate problems released to the media.
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You think they ever kissed?
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haha Relaxer you crack me up.
Yeah, Jag, thought the same. Definitely (probably?) not the first time they probably had a heated verbal exchange.
That story is definitely pricey. Some lady who shops there gives me the free bags.
Hey, but free marketing - look at her mug shot - isn't she wearing their clothing?
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i wonder how much death benefits Murray's family will get from Workers Comp :)
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I hope the Lululemon girls still show up at the marathon this weekend. Several of them were very easy on the eyes and they had some of the better signs.
"You've got great stamina...
Call me."
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You have to be a Grade A bonafide idiot to get busted stealing merchandise with a clean record and feel necessary to jump to the conclusion that murdering someone would be the best way to get out of it.
But, I have a feeling the perp is a Grade A piece of shit as well. When you have former friends you had falling outs with in the past squeal to the press that you were a klepto, and VOLUNTARILY ADD THEIR NAMES FOR THE RECORD, you know you are a piece of shit.
Dumbfuck.
She was obviously kinda stupid, but also plain old crazy. It's interesting that (as far as we know so far) there is no history of violence in her past. She must've been building for some time and just snapped.
I'm sure there were issues between the two, too. You find yourself working with someone who seems sketchy, and it's natural to start to dislike them.
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Are you running in it? If so, good luck!
I hope the Lululemon girls still show up at the marathon this weekend. Several of them were very easy on the eyes and they had some of the better signs.
"You've got great stamina...
Call me."
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I was in the lululemon store here in Palm Beach Gardens the other day and I have to tell you it took me all my willpower to walk out without beating the sales person to death after I saw the $64 price tag for a pair of running shorts.....sixtyfuckingfourfuckingbucks?
Places like Lululemon exist for the same reason why colleges have no reason to curb inflationary tuition hikes. She's not spending her money.
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Are you running in it? If so, good luck!
I hope the Lululemon girls still show up at the marathon this weekend. Several of them were very easy on the eyes and they had some of the better signs.
"You've got great stamina...
Call me."
Thanks. I'm just doing the half tomorrow. I think the race is not so well organized, but running through the neighborhoods is a nice switch from most of the DC races that stick to the Monuments and/or East Potomac Park.
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Are you running in it? If so, good luck!
I hope the Lululemon girls still show up at the marathon this weekend. Several of them were very easy on the eyes and they had some of the better signs.
"You've got great stamina...
Call me."
Thanks. I'm just doing the half tomorrow. I think the race is not so well organized, but running through the neighborhoods is a nice switch from most of the DC races that stick to the Monuments and/or East Potomac Park.
Typical GGW - doing everything half-arsed!!!!!
;)
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I'm hoping that with a little practice I can grow up to be a full arse like you.
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I'm hoping that with a little practice I can grow up to be a full arse like you.
We all have our goals and aspirations my son!!!
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Apple store employees heard victim pleading for her life. Went home. Didn't call police.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/rosenwald-md/post/prosecutor-details-what-happened-inside-lululemon-on-march-11/2011/10/26/gIQAHJyTJM_blog.html?hpid=z3
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wow
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people don't help others anymore.
they are afriad of getting sued or killed themselves.
this is a shock? that is a wow.
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To not even call the police is just disgusting
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To not even call the police is just disgusting
Well it's not as bad as China where toddlers get run over and ignored.
So at least they got that goin' for 'em.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/chinese-toddler-run-over-_0_n_1023285.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/chinese-toddler-run-over-_0_n_1023285.html)
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So at least they got that goin' for 'em.
... which is nice.
(http://619sports.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/bill_murray_caddyshack.jpg)
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Why is it not as bad?
To not even call the police is just disgusting
Well it's not as bad as China where toddlers get run over and ignored.
So at least they got that goin' for 'em.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/chinese-toddler-run-over-_0_n_1023285.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/chinese-toddler-run-over-_0_n_1023285.html)
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Why is it not as bad?
Agreed. When I think about where I want to be as a society, I usually think China....
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Apple store employees heard victim pleading for her life.
That's not what the article says. The article says they heard a "commotion". Not the same thing at all. Let's try to reserve judgment without knowing exactly what they heard.
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Apple store employees heard victim pleading for her life.
That's not what the article says. The article says they heard a "commotion". Not the same thing at all. Let's try to reserve judgment without knowing exactly what they heard.
Walkie is a judger and a hater.. he can't help himself.
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Apple store employees heard victim pleading for her life.
That's not what the article says. The article says they heard a "commotion". Not the same thing at all. Let's try to reserve judgment without knowing exactly what they heard.
Actually, the article does say that:
Who heard Murray pleading for her life?
Apple employees next door.
And the article says they heard "the commotion" not "a" commotion as you indicate.
The real question is does the article reflect what actually happened? I'd take your beef up with the author of the article not GGW, who simply quoted it verbatim.
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Walkie is a judger and a hater.. he can't help himself.
He's talking about GGW, not walkie.
Take you fight to the other thread that rest of us are ignoring because you're both annoying as all hell.
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Apple store employees heard victim pleading for her life.
That's not what the article says. The article says they heard a "commotion". Not the same thing at all. Let's try to reserve judgment without knowing exactly what they heard.
"A worker at the next-door Apple store reported hearing two women loudly arguing and Murray crying out: "Oh God, please help me," "
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2608121
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"Next door at the Apple Store, a few employees heard noises shortly after 10:05 p.m. ? when the two women re-entered the store ? loud enough to cause them to bang on the wall. One employee heard someone say, "Oh God, please help me." "
http://bethesda.patch.com/articles/defense-norwood-lost-it
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anybody that would hear something like that and do nothing is lower than pond scum.. really very sad to read..
devastating actually.
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Apple Store employee Jana Svrzo said that on the night of March 11 she heard what sounded like ?hitting? or furniture being moved at the yoga store next door.
Then, Svrzo said, she heard ?high-pitched squealing.? Then ?screaming and yelling.? There were more noises and more screaming.
Svrzo heard one voice through the shared wall between the stores: ?Talk to me. Don?t do this. Talk to me. What?s going on??
Later a voice say, ?God help me. Please help me.?
Svrzo testified on the third day of the murder trial of Brittany Norwood, who is accused of beating and stabbing co-worker Jayna Murray that night in the Lululemon Athletica yoga store and staging elaborate cover-up.
At one point that night, Svrzo testified, she asked another store manager to listen to the noises. Jurors were shown video of the two standing close to the wall. Eventually things quieted and they went back to work.
At one point defense attorney Douglas Wood asked Svrzo if she would have called police if she had heard anyone yell for help. ?It?s hard to say what I would have done,? Svrzo testified.
Svrzo declined to comment after the hearing.
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How do you live with yourself if you can claim to have heard all of that.....and done nothing?
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Sickening.
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(http://ansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/saddest-picture.jpg)
saw this at the newseum, not the same but hits pretty hard to hear stories like this.
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killing one self over taking a picture . . . i don't know what to say to that. is that actually plausible, or just incredibly sad and pathetic. i'm not sure. human death happens horribly every day, every second. he just opened his eyes to it?
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Later a voice say, ?God help me. Please help me.?
At one point that night, Svrzo testified, she asked another store manager to listen to the noises. Jurors were shown video of the two standing close to the wall. Eventually things quieted and they went back to work.
At one point defense attorney Douglas Wood asked Svrzo if she would have called police if she had heard anyone yell for help. ?It?s hard to say what I would have done,? Svrzo testified.
I don't understand this question...she claims one voice said to "help me". Are they implying it was not the victim's voice? Or the voice was unclear or the intent? (my usual disclaimer: not narky, truly asking)
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killing one self over taking a picture . . . i don't know what to say to that. is that actually plausible, or just incredibly sad and pathetic. i'm not sure. human death happens horribly every day, every second. he just opened his eyes to it?
because he left the kid, a human. it wouldn't have disrupted the animal kingdom if he had just helped him along.
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Why is it not as bad?
Agreed. When I think about where I want to be as a society, I usually think China....
I guess y'all are right. A video of the toddler being run over twice and seeing over a dozen people walk by without doing anything isn't as bad as hearing stuff between a wall that clearly leaves room for interpretation, even though this whole site is an example of how differently people hear things.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/china-toddler-run-over-by-van_n_1016187.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/china-toddler-run-over-by-van_n_1016187.html)
I wake up everyday waiting for the day I can ignore people drowning or dying from getting run over. Let the tourist deal with that shit.
http://shanghaiist.com/2011/10/20/again_caucasian_woman_helps_man_lyi.php (http://shanghaiist.com/2011/10/20/again_caucasian_woman_helps_man_lyi.php)
And picking the caged koala I'm going to eat is gonna be so much fun.
http://shanghaiist.com/2011/10/31/on_the_menu_in_guangzhou_braised_ko.php (http://shanghaiist.com/2011/10/31/on_the_menu_in_guangzhou_braised_ko.php)
'Crazy bad' air quality seemed like so much fun in the past, we really should bring it back.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-china-air-quality-20111030,0,4899208.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-china-air-quality-20111030,0,4899208.story)
Why haven't we sent our Buddhist monks to 'patriotic education' camps to learn communism?
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-china-tibet-20111023,0,840542.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-china-tibet-20111023,0,840542.story)
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I don't know about all that. My interpretation of your post was that the unnecessary death of a toddler was somehow worse than the unnecessary death of of a twentysomething. My comment was meant to convey that they are both pretty terrible. Both were somebody's baby.
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I don't know about all that. My interpretation of your post was that the unnecessary death of a toddler was somehow worse than the unnecessary death of of a twentysomething. My comment was meant to convey that they are both pretty terrible. Both were somebody's baby.
That makes sense. My use of 'not as bad' was based on the witness of violence heard vs. violence seen and the room for interpretation in the former.
The unnecessary loss of life is horrible, not matter how.
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I think the idea that there was "room for interpretation" in the Jana Svrzo case is bullshit. Maybe there could be "interpretation" as to whether someone was being murdered or merely beat up badly, but the description of what she heard leaves no doubt that some kind of violence was taking place. To not call the cops is unconscionable. The attack lasted 16 minutes which wouldve been enough time for a police response She bears some responsibility in this death.
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How do you live with yourself if you can claim to have heard all of that.....and done nothing?
Move to State College.
Brian
P.S. On a music related note, the Manic Street Preachers had a hit song called/about "Kevin Carter."
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Here's a case where the American judicial system worked and it worked exactly as it was meant to work. It's just a shame that it was the people who failed the victim when it may have mattered.
Woman gets life sentence in Md. yoga shop murder (http://news.yahoo.com/woman-gets-life-sentence-md-yoga-shop-murder-221422206.html)
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If the justice system really worked, she'd be frying in an electric chair.
Here's a case where the American judicial system worked and it worked exactly as it was meant to work. It's just a shame that it was the people who failed the victim when it may have mattered.
Woman gets life sentence in Md. yoga shop murder (http://news.yahoo.com/woman-gets-life-sentence-md-yoga-shop-murder-221422206.html)
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Rehabilitation is never going to happen. What's the point of a life sentence? I agree with Mr. Ford.
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Either way, it still worked. Short of an escape, pardon or some sort of early release, the bitch will never freely walk the streets of Bethesda again.
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Glad she'll get life. What is the point? Punishment and prevention.
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Did anything happen to the people from next door who heard it happening and didnt do anything?
(No agenda... honestly curious)
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the bitch will never freely walk the streets of Bethesda again.
So glad to be footing the bill for that. Sadistically murder someone and get three squares a day plus cable tv.
And the people in the Apple store - I don't think they can do anything about them but I don't know how they sleep at night, to be honest.
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So people should just go to that Apple store, find any employee (or "Genius") who was there that night, and ask repeatedly "So you got to hear someone get murdered? Their last words and everything? Wow, so cool."
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the bitch will never freely walk the streets of Bethesda again.
So glad to be footing the bill for that. Sadistically murder someone and get three squares a day plus cable tv.
i cost a lot more to execute someone than it does to incarcerate them for life. bottom line: if you're worried about footing the bill, life sentence is the cheap way out. please be sure to do some research before replying with your disagreement with this.
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So people should just go to that Apple store, find any employee (or "Genius") who was there that night, and ask repeatedly "So you got to hear someone get murdered? Their last words and everything? Wow, so cool."
Yeah, I'm sure they're still working there.
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I'm willing to contribute my fair share of the additional cost.
the bitch will never freely walk the streets of Bethesda again.
So glad to be footing the bill for that. Sadistically murder someone and get three squares a day plus cable tv.
i cost a lot more to execute someone than it does to incarcerate them for life. bottom line: if you're worried about footing the bill, life sentence is the cheap way out. please be sure to do some research before replying with your disagreement with this.
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i cost a lot more to execute someone than it does to incarcerate them for life. bottom line: if you're worried about footing the bill, life sentence is the cheap way out. please be sure to do some research before replying with your disagreement with this.
I'm opposed to paying for her to continue to live. WTH does research have to do with that?
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everybody is so damn stingy these days..
i'm opposed to paying for her to live..i'm opposed to paying for her to die...
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i cost a lot more to execute someone than it does to incarcerate them for life. bottom line: if you're worried about footing the bill, life sentence is the cheap way out. please be sure to do some research before replying with your disagreement with this.
I'm opposed to paying for her to continue to live. WTH does research have to do with that?
Research shows that it's actually CHEAPER to keep someone in jail for life than it is to fry them. I still say fry her.
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I completely understand that (research not necessary....that point is painfully clear).
But I, too, would pay extra to be done with her.
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Rehabilitation is never going to happen. What's the point of a life sentence? I agree with Mr. Ford.
Us civilized states will leave the barbarity to Virginia. Aren't there any retards or minors convicted as adults who need to be put down?
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So glad to be footing the bill for that. Sadistically murder someone and get three squares a day plus cable tv.
Yeah, what a fucking deal. ::)
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how easily people on an internet board write that they'd like to kill somebody they don't know.
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The last time I checked, abortion is still legal. Put em down before they're even out of the womb!
Aren't there any retards or minors convicted as adults who need to be put down?
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how easily people on an internet board write that they'd like to kill somebody they don't know.
Didn't know Hitler. Or Bin Laden. Glad they're dead. There, I said it.
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how easily people on an internet board write that they'd like to kill somebody they don't know.
Didn't know Hitler. Or Bin Laden. Glad they're dead. There, I said it.
yeah Hitler.. always popular with the logicians..
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Thats pretty sickening to know that she was more worried about being called a thief instead of being known as a murderer. Wow......
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yeah Hitler.. always popular with the logicians..
Should have left it to people who lived in my lifetime. Point made, nonetheless.