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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: thraker on April 13, 2011, 12:22:14 pm
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Is there anyway we can petition the Odd Future Wolf Gang show happening at the Rock Hotel in May to be moved to the 9:30 Club? Tickets sold out for that incredibly fast and I would imagine there's a high enough demand to warrant moving the show. Does anyone else agree?
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Is there anyway we can petition the Odd Future Wolf Gang show happening at the Rock Hotel in May to be moved to the 9:30 Club? Tickets sold out for that incredibly fast and I would imagine there's a high enough demand to warrant moving the show. Does anyone else agree?
Two different club owners and I'm guessing that's not the only R&R venue they're playing. I'm guessing you're SOL here unless you can change the 360 type deals bands and labels are signing these days...
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the show didn't sell out that fast. tickets were available for a few days, it's not like folks were shut out without having a chance to get any. a fast sell-out is minutes or seconds.
second, i suspect that the answer is "no" to moving the show. contracts have been signed & the venue has sold all the tickets - as far as they're concerned, this deal is in the bag and the only thing left is to collect money. so to move the show, the 930 would have to buy out the whole deal (including lost revenue from drink sales), and would probably need to include a lil' somethin' somethin' to entice the RnR to go through with this in the first place. i seriously doubt there is enough money available through increased ticket sales at the 930 to make this worthwhile.
in the end, the RnR have a popular, sold out show on their hands. why would they seek to give that up? booking popular bands is a competitive business, i don't see why they'd want to give away one of their biggest shows.
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That show will be a muddy sounding mess.
Your only hope is to have Sonar move their show to the main room.
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It definitely didnt sell out DCFC fast. What was it, 4 or 5 days after tickets were released?
And rnr isnt always bad, it sounded good for the Salem show, but then again they play loud distorted crap anyways.
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Your only hope is to have Sonar move their show to the main room.
which might happen?
http://twitter.com/Sonar_Baltimore/status/58079578803027968
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in the end, the RnR have a popular, sold out show on their hands. why would they seek to give that up?
Because it's not about the business, it's about the music....
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right, and the RnR wants the music to go down in their venue, not in someone else's ;D
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This isn't a band at the twilight of their career. They'll be back. Hell, they've been here twice in a span of just a few months.
You can also buy my extra for $50,000 if you like.
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I thought one needed a minimum of two posts to make a petition?
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reference to post count: check.
include a lolcat and a predictably snarky reference to how uncool/last week the topic at hand is, and we can put this thread to bed.
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Anyway this show might be okay but it can't possibly compare to February's show. I mean c'mon lol
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A few were just released so snap them up quick.
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Is there anyway we can petition the Odd Future Wolf Gang show happening at the Rock Hotel in May to be moved to the 9:30 Club? Tickets sold out for that incredibly fast and I would imagine there's a high enough demand to warrant moving the show. Does anyone else agree?
Definitely took a good 5 or 6 days to sell out. It's best to follow on Twitter or Facebook or such. Their website didn't even have it posted until the day after they anounced it on Twitter.
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These fuckers are blowing up big time ;D
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here's a mix someone made of some of their best free tracks (http://www.sendspace.com/file/vg8omn)
Yonkers
Drop
Dracula
Luper
Supermarket
Blade
Fuck the Police
epAR
Orange Juice
Hell
French
Oblivion
Slow it Down
Salute
Everything that's Yours
Loco
Swag me Out
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EARL FOUND (http://www.complex.com/music/2011/04/complex-exclusive-we-found-earl-sweatshirt)
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Amazing investigative journalism, right there.
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Tyler responds with denial.
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here's a mix someone made of some of their best free tracks (http://www.sendspace.com/file/vg8omn)
Yonkers
Drop
Dracula
Luper
Supermarket
Blade
Fuck the Police
epAR
Orange Juice
Hell
French
Oblivion
Slow it Down
Salute
Everything that's Yours
Loco
Swag me Out
Luper has been on loop for about 2 months now. Love that track.
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Angry Rhymes, Dirty Mouth, Goofy Kid
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/08/arts/music/tyler-the-creator-of-odd-future-and-goblin.html
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Good read. But I was really hoping to hear that Sonar had moved the show to the bigger room and released tix.
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Goblin is out. I'm amazed they were able to keep it under wraps until now.
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Shit yes.
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And What is back just in time.
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With Sonar closing I may be able to score a ticket after all.....if they can get it rescheduled, that is.
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Goblin is out. I'm amazed they were able to keep it under wraps until now.
Been checking every day for a leak for about 2 months now. Even Tyler was surprised it hadn't leaked yet. Might wait til Tuesday and buy it at..... Best Buy?
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Yeah, they've kind of just exploded everywhere. Not a fan of some of the tracks but others I really dig. A lot of potential for the future. Good live show, too. The best shit out of them all, IMO, is MellowHype.
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Tickets for the DC show just released
http://www.ticketalternative.com/Events/13931.aspx
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God...that room will be a fire hazard.
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http://pitchfork.com/news/42553-odd-future-show-ends-in-bottle-throwing-fight/
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The venue served tasty beverages in glass bottles during that show? What were they thinking?
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Well, no bottles were thrown, but I did have the pleasure of some dude storming out of the front of the crowd just to throw up all over the floor next to me. Pretty awesome.
Pretty good show, IMO, and better than most hip hop shows I've seen if only because they really put their all into it and didn't rely on medleys. I can't say these guys will be around forever or have much lasting impact, but you can't say they're not trying to leave a mark. They were definitely fired up, and I guess that's what I like most about the albums...it's pure id-driven release on their part. That's not something that has lasting power, so we'll see how they grow now that the spotlight is really on them. They're definitely going for broke, though.
Their biggest strength is definitely the collaboration; even some of the so-so songs last night were helped by how urgently they performed and how everyone was involved. If they released more straight OFWGKTA albums with everyone rather than solo albums, they might fair better. I think Azaghal said it best int he other thread; even Tyler's albums don't really stand-up by themselves fully, and that's why Radical is probably my favorite album from these guys.
Oh, and I'm not taking full credit here, but I was definitely standing right under the spotlight when Tyler and the gang started making fun of the "middle-aged caucasians" in the middle of the room avoiding the pit to make sure we didn't break our backs. Pretty funny (and maybe spot on?) them mentioning that we were there due to our mid-life crises. Boy, that made me feel old as shit...
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That's funny, my buddy (the really tall dude) said he thought Tyler was pointing/looking directly at him, so we were right behind you. We were right there when that dude burst through and zooked on the floor.
I thought it was a fun show. If I hadn't been familiar with their stuff, the first half would have confirmed every shit stereotype of live hip-hop, as in tuneless shouting. But it settled into a pretty good groove about halfway through.
I'm kind of the opposite POV though, I think Tyler is the star and the rest are 2nd/3rd tier. On record, stuff like Fuck the Police and French sound good with all of them, but on stage it just sounded real rough and all over the place. That whole Frank Ocean thing was kind of a drag too.
I think Tyler is going to be a star in some fashion. Dude has too much talent and charisma. I could see him getting into film and becoming a mix of Spike Jonez, the Jackass guys and Wacka Flocka Flame.
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I kind of agree about Tyler vs. the rest; I was talking more to their recorded work as collaborations than on stage. But I'm still not sold that a Tyler solo show would work, at least not yet; his albums have a bit more filler (IMO) than he could pull off live. Admittedly, though, I'm not a huge "full hip-hop album" person; even with the albums I love, I still only really listen to individual tracks rather than an album. Just seems like a singles genre to me, but I'm also white as shit, so what do I know!?
Even with 7 or 8 of them there, a little over an hour was just enough to leave me happy. Funny, though...I've never really minded the "tuneless shouting" of live hip-hop, especially when its brought with that urgency. Doesn't work for everyone, but being that these kids seem to be running on pure adrenaline, I'm OK with it.
There was definitely a collective of adult, white males under that spotlight...it's like our aged gravitational pull threw everyone together. Wish I would've known it was you...would've said hi.
That's funny, my buddy (the really tall dude) said he thought Tyler was pointing/looking directly at him, so we were right behind you. We were right there when that dude burst through and zooked on the floor.
I thought it was a fun show. If I hadn't been familiar with their stuff, the first half would have confirmed every shit stereotype of live hip-hop, as in tuneless shouting. But it settled into a pretty good groove about halfway through.
I'm kind of the opposite POV though, I think Tyler is the star and the rest are 2nd/3rd tier. On record, stuff like Fuck the Police and French sound good with all of them, but on stage it just sounded real rough and all over the place. That whole Frank Ocean thing was kind of a drag too.
I think Tyler is going to be a star in some fashion. Dude has too much talent and charisma. I could see him getting into film and becoming a mix of Spike Jonez, the Jackass guys and Wacka Flocka Flame.
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http://pitchfork.com/news/42576-glaad-speaks-out-against-tyler-the-creator/
fuck them
fuck him
fuck their band
fuck anybody who supports them
fuck people who are stupid that let how they are raised by over religious mind control influence how they see others.
i'm sure if a band put out songs passing judgement on black people . . . tyler wouldn't be thinking "people are just taking it too seroiusly."
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I thought they were great, I was on the fence about going to the show, but they are great. They have amazing energy. I actually thought that Left Brain had the most energy of them all. I really loved how there was a good mix of everyone and it wasn't just "the Tyler show". I like when they dropped the beat and kept rapping, or the crowd would sing. I thought they were great, glad I got tickets when they went on sale.
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I just can't get behind someone who talks about women that way. Even if they "don't mean it".
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I would never tell anyone to NOT take a stand against or "get over" language/ideas/etc. that they found offensive, but I think it's pretty easily overlooked that Tyler (at the minimum) is pretty rough on himself and his family throughout most of the songs as well. I mean, he talks about killing himself just as much (and in much more realistic ways) than he ever talks about other violence. I mean, is there much difference between his cartoon descriptions of violence than you'd find in, say, American Psycho?
I should note that I'm a straight, middle-class white male age 30-34, so I have nothing to really be offended about in any way, shape or form.
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I should note that I'm a straight, middle-class white male age 30-34, so I have nothing to really be offended about in any way, shape or form.
doesn't he go off on whiteys? you could always be offended by that, if you're feeling left out.
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Boy, if he ever made a crack about shopping for organic avocados at Whole Foods or my all Ben Gibbard iTunes playlist, I'd be FURIOUS.
I should note that I'm a straight, middle-class white male age 30-34, so I have nothing to really be offended about in any way, shape or form.
doesn't he go off on whiteys? you could always be offended by that, if you're feeling left out.
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Would that crack be aimed at whiteys or gays?
Boy, if he ever made a crack about shopping for organic avocados at Whole Foods or my all Ben Gibbard iTunes playlist, I'd be FURIOUS.
I should note that I'm a straight, middle-class white male age 30-34, so I have nothing to really be offended about in any way, shape or form.
doesn't he go off on whiteys? you could always be offended by that, if you're feeling left out.
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Was there an opner for the show?? What time did these fuckers start playing? Checking them out at Sonar tonight ;D
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Little bit of column A...little bit of column B. It was the Gibbard that playlist that really did me in, wasn't it?
Would that crack be aimed at whiteys or gays?
Boy, if he ever made a crack about shopping for organic avocados at Whole Foods or my all Ben Gibbard iTunes playlist, I'd be FURIOUS.
I should note that I'm a straight, middle-class white male age 30-34, so I have nothing to really be offended about in any way, shape or form.
doesn't he go off on whiteys? you could always be offended by that, if you're feeling left out.
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Their DJ did a quick set (20 minutes, tops?) that segued right into Odd Future. They were pretty punctual, for a hip hop show; maybe only 10 minutes past 9:30? Didn't look at my watch, but I was surprised.
Was there an opner for the show?? What time did these fuckers start playing? Checking them out at Sonar tonight ;D
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Would that crack be aimed at whiteys or gays?
Boy, if he ever made a crack about shopping for organic avocados at Whole Foods or my all Ben Gibbard iTunes playlist, I'd be FURIOUS.
I should note that I'm a straight, middle-class white male age 30-34, so I have nothing to really be offended about in any way, shape or form.
doesn't he go off on whiteys? you could always be offended by that, if you're feeling left out.
LOL
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I just can't get behind someone who talks about women that way. Even if they "don't mean it".
Or themselves I guess. I really didn't think my girlfriend would want to see them OR like them in anyway, she thought they were great. If you take the lyrics seriously you're kind of missing the point. On his new album he talks to his therapist throughout and his therapist calls him out and Tyler responds "Oh no, you caught me. I'm not a rapist of a murderer. Did you really think I was?"
You see Tyler on stage and he has a huge smile, he's jumping around and yelling, then when it's not him rapping, he's in the back, dancing to his friends songs. It's music, he's not doing it to send a message, he's doing it to have fun. If you can't or don't want to support it or him, then don't. He doesn't care and I don't really think anyone else cares.
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I gotta admit, I struggle with the lyrics but for the most part, I'm able to focus on the beats, the rapping, the tunes, etc. It's a tough one because listening to something like, say, Straight Outta Compton doesn't really offend my sensibilities but I can't even listen to Sarah off of Radical because it's just too vivid of a rape fantasy with audio clips/samples.
I don't begrudge anyone who thinks they're awful and a detriment to society, but I still love Assmilk, Epar and French.
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long time lurker on this forum. i've seen a few shows at RnR and always wondered why everyone thought the place was such a shithole. Went to the OF show last night, and now I know.
Great show though, the groups stage presence just gives off a great vibe. They feed off the crowd and vice versa, it's pretty cool.
For those still at a loss for their lyrics, this is the best write-up of what they are trying to achieve: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/article/241404 (http://www.poetryfoundation.org/article/241404)
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long time lurker on this forum. i've seen a few shows at RnR and always wondered why everyone thought the place was such a shithole. Went to the OF show last night, and now I know.
what didn't you like about the place?
i'm definitely not a fan fo the RnR, and am wondering what your complaints are.
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I gotta admit, I struggle with the lyrics but for the most part, I'm able to focus on the beats, the rapping, the tunes, etc. It's a tough one because listening to something like, say, Straight Outta Compton doesn't really offend my sensibilities but I can't even listen to Sarah off of Radical because it's just too vivid of a rape fantasy with audio clips/samples.
I don't begrudge anyone who thinks they're awful and a detriment to society, but I still love Assmilk, Epar and French.
Some shit I go "Jesus Christ!" too, but it's the same with movies and books. I guess just because so much attention is given to these kids right now is what the outrage is. When they played "French" last night I kind of lost my shit. Real glad they played Transylvania too. Love that track. Left Brain's beat is so sick!
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There was definitely a collective of adult, white males under that spotlight...it's like our aged gravitational pull threw everyone together. Wish I would've known it was you...would've said hi.
and i was just in front, to the right of you guys :)
i kinda wanted to bail yesterday, but i'm glad i didn't. it was, in a word, FUN. the energy on stage, the energy of the crowd-- it felt fresh, urgent.
and yes, as a woman, i kinda struggle w/ the lyrics. i read this review yesterday afternoon and thought, "this is probably how i'll feel after tonight": http://www.theawl.com/2011/05/with-the-ladies-in-the-back-at-an-odd-future-show (http://www.theawl.com/2011/05/with-the-ladies-in-the-back-at-an-odd-future-show)
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http://twitter.com/#!/fucktyler/status/70519042179481600
looking forward to tonight at Sonar!
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I'm not extremely offended by his lyrics, I just think they are a little over the top for me. I can understand what he's doing, and I thought their performance on Jimmy Fallon was really something, but I just can't throw my money at the guy.
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the ol' rapper with 'difficult'/offensive lyrics debate. still?
tyler will be selling coors light or nestea or acting on some law and order spinoff in 20 years (or less) don't worry
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So were there actually any black people at this show?
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The security guards were black. Does that count?
So were there actually any black people at this show?
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So were there actually any black people at this show?
i wondered the same thing
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It sounds like they all stayed home at their cribs in the burbs.
So were there actually any black people at this show?
i wondered the same thing
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So were there actually any black people at this show?
I don't really notice people by skin color, honestly, all I did really notice were there were a lot of short white dudes hahaha
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White is a skin color too.
So were there actually any black people at this show?
I don't really notice people by skin color, honestly, all I did really notice were there were a lot of short white dudes hahaha
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This is my favorite thing that's even been said on this board.
So were there actually any black people at this show?
I don't really notice people by skin color, honestly, all I did really notice were there were a lot of short white dudes hahaha
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long time lurker on this forum. i've seen a few shows at RnR and always wondered why everyone thought the place was such a shithole. Went to the OF show last night, and now I know.
what didn't you like about the place?
i'm definitely not a fan fo the RnR, and am wondering what your complaints are.
The general layout mostly. Narrow venue with a short stage. Only way to have a good view is to be way up front, and if you're way up front, the sound suffers. Not like the sound has been anything to write home about, all three shows have had poor sound (das racist, smith westerns, odd future). I'm all for a small venue, but make it worth it. the bathrooms also suck.
Last night security was a bit too aggressive with the crowd. I kept getting jabs for no reason by one of the security guards.
Things that have been nice about the venue? Nice workers up front, and they gave out waters after the show. that's about it.
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but I still love Assmilk
preach it, brother
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This is my favorite thing that's even been said on this board.
So were there actually any black people at this show?
I don't really notice people by skin color, honestly, all I did really notice were there were a lot of short white dudes hahaha
I noticed they were short, and everywhere, when my girlfriend pointed out a couple short dudes. Then she was like "I think they're jewish or something? All the short white guys have curly hair"
WHITE ISNT A COLOR
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NEITHER IS BLACK; IT'S THE ABSENCE OF COLOR.
This is my favorite thing that's even been said on this board.
So were there actually any black people at this show?
I don't really notice people by skin color, honestly, all I did really notice were there were a lot of short white dudes hahaha
I noticed they were short, and everywhere, when my girlfriend pointed out a couple short dudes. Then she was like "I think they're jewish or something? All the short white guys have curly hair"
WHITE ISNT A COLOR
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So were there actually any black people at this show?
Odd Future was there and they are African American.
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NEITHER IS BLACK; IT'S THE ABSENCE OF COLOR.
This is my favorite thing that's even been said on this board.
So were there actually any black people at this show?
I don't really notice people by skin color, honestly, all I did really notice were there were a lot of short white dudes hahaha
I noticed they were short, and everywhere, when my girlfriend pointed out a couple short dudes. Then she was like "I think they're jewish or something? All the short white guys have curly hair"
WHITE ISNT A COLOR
This is the kind of unity we need these days.
Yes, people from every skin color were represented in the crowd at this show. There wasn't an overbearing amount from any race.
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Well the ape race and the kitten race and the amazing race were not well-represented.
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Wrong...we already covered that white people were there.
the amazing race were not well-represented.
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Well the ape race and the kitten race and the amazing race were not well-represented.
Are there people in the kitten race?
And the Amazing Race is a television program. You're confusing the word "race" because it's a homonym.
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See what happens from listening to too much Odd Future? You start buying into their rhetoric...
homonym.
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See what happens from listening to too much Odd Future? You start buying into their rhetoric...
homonym.
FUCK SCHOOL
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"I was not at the Odd Wolf Future Death performance either, DeathFromAbove1979"
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the ol' rapper with 'difficult'/offensive lyrics debate. still?
to me, it's not so much a "debate" as a personal consideration. but sure, i think this will always be so. it's not something i gave much thought to in my teens and 20s; now in my 30s, my perspective is a bit different, as are my sensitivities.
very, very young crowd. security kept it in check, but even when the crowd surged forward & back, it wasn't really enough to physically move you ;)
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in line at sonar, weird mix of people should be a great show
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Seeing them at U Hall was enough for me. I almost went to the RNR show but decided to get drunk somewhere else. And you'd be surprised that some black folks have heard of them. LOL.
Case in point: they're young and they're not doing anything shock value wise that is new; they're timing of what they're doing......fuckin' perfect. What got them buzzing is how many young kids like them even if the message is shit like "fuck school" and etc. Good and bad. That crew has potential to be something greater than what they are now. The problem is the hype and the talent doesn't match like it should. Live shows are dope as hell. Some of the music if you hear it.....hit or miss; and this is coming from someone who's downloaded a lot of their stuff and gave quite a few of the albums some rotation (MellowHype is still my fav., BTW).
The comparisons to Wu.....not good. Wu is a whole different time and breed. You gotta let these little dudes do what they do and go from there.
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Comparisons to Wu Tang are even shunned by the group themselves. I think it's awful. I heard someone in the crowd say that and I wanted to hit them.
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No, good call. There's absolutely nothing similar about a collective of nine angry rappers that came out in the 90's hungry for their time in the spotlight that went on to release countless wide-ranging solo and group albums while adding additional loosely-affiliate members to their ranks and a a collective of 11 angry rappers that came out in the 10's hungry for their time in the spotlight that have released countless wide-ranging solo and group albums.
Comparisons to Wu Tang are even shunned by the group themselves. I think it's awful. I heard someone in the crowd say that and I wanted to hit them.
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And who constantly chant WU TANG WU TANG in half their songs oh wait I meant WOLF GANG WOLF GANG in half their songs
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No, good call. There's absolutely nothing similar about a collective of nine angry rappers that came out in the 90's hungry for their time in the spotlight that went on to release countless wide-ranging solo and group albums while adding additional loosely-affiliate members to their ranks and a a collective of 11 angry rappers that came out in the 10's hungry for their time in the spotlight that have released countless wide-ranging solo and group albums.
Comparisons to Wu Tang are even shunned by the group themselves. I think it's awful. I heard someone in the crowd say that and I wanted to hit them.
I just cherish Wu Tang is all hahaha anyone can think whatever they want. OF think they're more than a collection of rappers. They consider themselves a rap crew, production crew, skate crew. Just saying. WU TANG!
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Odd Future and their fans should heed this advice:
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Who's to say Odd Future fans aren't Wu Tang fans?
Wu Tang fans aren't the right people to mess with.
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The knucklehead group of Wu/Odd Future fans I walked in after last night certainly acted like they were nothin' to F with. There was plenty of chatter about how how many heads they were bustin' and all the fights they expected to get into that night.
::)
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It was an alright show. Never been to Sonar, and it's not a bad venue. The security sure had their work cut out for them ;D
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Steve Albini's take on ODD FUTURE
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2011/08/steve_albini_do.html#more
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Faux snarky post redacted. Didn't see all these details yesterday.
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Steve Albini's take on ODD FUTURE
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2011/08/steve_albini_do.html#more
from the comments: "Odd Future is black-people ICP and everyone's going to be ashamed of listening to this by next year."
WIN
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Steve Albini's take on ODD FUTURE
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2011/08/steve_albini_do.html#more
from the comments: "Odd Future is black-people ICP and everyone's going to be ashamed of listening to this by next year."
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That's giving them too much credit. Loathe them but the Juggalos and their leaders have been around for over 15 years. Odd Future won't be around for 15 minutes.
You don't need to know anything more about them than that they cancelled a Leeds festival appearance because they wanted to attend the VMAs. That being nominated for a Video Music Award was a "life-long dream." Read that last sentence again.
Brian
P.S. However, Pitchfork will give their next release a 3962.7.
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one of my fav HRO memes