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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: chaz on February 08, 2013, 06:02:43 pm
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From front to back, top to bottom. With any singer.
Sure Eddie is a skilled player but i could give two shits about his microtonal techniques. Dave's vocal acrobatics were impressive at times. But generally this is just bad music.
Was going to post this in the other thread but didn't want Kosmo to publicly flog me.
That is all.
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VlaspHemy.
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Their first album is pretty awesome... I don't care about eddie's guitar playing. Saying he is the number one influencers of guitarists is pretty silly. I certainly don't hear his guitar stylings in other bands today. I would think Porl thompson's work with the cure has influenced a lot more current bands than him. Or even Robin Guthrie.
Maybe some shit cover band guitarist at some redneck bar might have Eddie's stylings but bands that people actually listen to, not so much.
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as for actual good guitarist today. I like that chick from warpaint and jenn from wye oak.
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Pretty much every rock guitar player throughout the 80s was aping what EVH did. I'm not saying he influenced great guitarists but to deny his influence means you're not aware of what the 80s rock scene was. There are better guitarists, more skilled guitarists, more innovative, but no one inspired more than a decade of popular guitar work than EVH apart from Chuck Berry who really started the whole rock guitar thing in the first place.
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So there's RatBastard:
Eddie is WAAAAAY over hyped. Basically a poser.
And there's these guys:
"I think Eddie Van Halen is just a fantastic guitarist."- Ted Nugent 1979.
"I think I'm quite interested in Eddie Van Halen. He plays funny, and I like that. I think it's original...He uses a tremolo arm and has his own runs and styles, and it's good. I like the way he has chosen. It's really flashy."
-Michael Schenker 1981.
"Right now Eddie Van Halen is the top. It seems like every kid wants to learn his licks. He's right up there where Clapton was years ago."
-Leslie West 1980.
"There are many great players. Eddie Van Halen is great-I dont want to get near competing with people like him."-Randy Rhoads 1981.
"I always thought Edward was great. He's a fantastic guitar player." -- Allan Holdsworth
"What a wonderful musician...absolutely the pinnacle of guitar playing in our lifetime." -- Brian May
"Without a doubt, Eddie Van Halen is the greatest guitar player who has ever lived." -- Zakk Wylde
"Eddie's got the best right hand in the business, drop-dead timing and tone for days. He's a master guitarist and a great songwriter. I will always be a big fan of his playing." -Joe Satriani
"I was 12 years old when I heard the first VH album. If I live to be 100, I don't think I'll ever be blown away like that again. Then I saw them live in '79 on the second album tour. It was absolutely life changing." -Paul Gilbert
"EVH, by far, is the most innovative and bad-*bleeped* guitar player to date, and has managed to harness this magic for over 25 years. To this day, I still turn to my VH records for ideas and inspiration. Long live Edward Van Halen!!" -"Dimebag" Darrell Abbott
"Edward raised the bar on rock guitar playing. Actually, he most certainly reinvented it and that happens only three or four times a century. When a person plays an instrument, they wear their personality on their sleeve. There has always been an inspired yet intimate simplicity to Edward's musical expressions, not to mention a little iron ore, too." -Steve Vai
"Genius? This record is pretty much the record that made me want to buy a Marshall amp. It's
Eddie, man. Whoever just thinks he was a solo player and only inspired a generation to solo
missed the whole light on what Eddie's all about.-Nuno Bettencourt on Fair Warning 1992.
"I met Eddie at the Les Paul Tribute show years ago (1987) and he seemed like a very nice young man. I'm often asked what I think about guitarists outside the world of blues, you know, far as rock players like Jimi Hendrix and Eddie Van Halen. I've always believed that Jimi, while he was alive, became the number one rock 'n' roll guitarist of all time. Having said that, I must also say that I believe Eddie is a close second. After Jimi died, that's when my opinion went to Eric Clapton as the number one guy. Next to Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton, I can't think of too many people who've done more for rock guitar than Eddie Van Halen." -B.B. King
"You hear so much about Zeppelin, AC/DC, Kiss, Pink Floyd, and other old bands like that (rightfully so), but to me, far above them all was Van Halen (mainly the first six albums). Doesn't anyone remember how they completely made other bands look like wimps? And as for Eddie, no guitar player since him has even come close to touching his little toe. Everything about his playing was unique, mind-blowing, and full of emotion." -Jason Becker
"I was immediately impressed with his smooth, musical instincts when we were playing together. He seemed to pick supporting parts that were solid, simple, but had some rhythmic variation. When he took a solo, it was always fluid and natural. When we played our first gig, he invited us to his home to hang out from soundcheck until gig time. He and his wife were very gracious. I particularly like playing with very talented people, and he has tons of talent!" -Steve Morse
"If you had a guitar poll, I'd put Edward Van Halen in the first five slots and then the next five would start opening up." -Billy Gibbons
"I admire Eddie Van Halen and Steve Lukather, but they might blow me away quite easily if we were to jam together." -Eric Clapton
"These days I don't look to other people with the objective of trying to steal their licks, although I've got no objections to stealing them if that seems like a good idea. I'm sure that I'm still influenced by Mark Knopfler and Eddie Van Halen as well......I can't play like Eddie Van Halen. I wish I could. I sat down to try some of those ideas and can't do it. I don't know if I could ever get any of that stuff together. Sometimes I think I should work at the guitar more." -David Gilmour
"Eddie Van Halen was probably the most influential." -Tony Iommi
"What draws people to the instrument is the love for guitar players that play a certain way. I mean, even though it wasn't intentional, it was hard to avoid copying Eddie Van Halen. He was basically the *bleep* back then." -Tom Morello
"Eddie brought tapping to the forefront, and I still think he was one of the tastiest players doing it." -Jeff Beck
"I do think Van Halen reinvented the guitar...he's an excellent musician, a shrewd guitarist, and as a person he is wonderful." -Richie Blackmore
"I do like Eddie Van Halen as a player. He gets it right quite often." -Paul McCartney
"I never saw Eddie playing live with Van Halen until the very end of Van Halen with Sammy Hagar, so I never saw the original but I heard the records, and he was just awesome, he was great. I hope his health is doing better, I don't know what's going on with that, but he rewrote the book, kind of like Hendrix and Clapton. He was the next guy to actually turn it all around." -Eric Johnson
"I definately didn't start thinking about doing any two-handed tapping until after I heard
Van Halen. His influence is way beyond just tapping, but it is the most obvious thing
that he brought to the guitar culture. He's just totally musical."-Vernon Reid 1992.
"I had a band called White Horse who played with Van Halen a few times at Gazzarri's. Ed was always great...my mouth would fall open." -Mick Mars
"I was like *bleep*, what am I gonna do now? To see everything you thought you knew about guitar playing change right before your eyes, at your very own show. Talk about depressed. But I knew I had to learn from this guy. He was doing something new, and I had to get with the program if I ever stood a chance of competing." -George Lynch
"People always think the guitar is reaching its limits. They thought guitar music was stagnating in the late 70's, and then Eddie Van Halen comes in and changes everything. For my money, Eddie was the first significant new kid on the block. Very dazzling. And I think he played a vital role in keeping kids interested, because they could look up to this cheeky little guy with a big smile. He flew the flag well, I think." -Jimmy Page
"No one can play guitar like Eddie. He took everything that went before him and said, I've heard all that before. And then introduced all the finger-tapping stuff that he does. And not only is he a great player, he's a great showman, and that's what it's all about." -Joe Perry
"When I heard the first Van Halen album, I couldn't believe how great the guitar playing was--and I heard that album at a point when I didn't like any of the new guitar players. I mean, he totally changed the whole guitar field--and he's still as great now as he's ever been. I would love to jam with him." -Yngwie J. Malmsteen
"You hear so much about Zeppelin, AC/DC, Kiss, Pink Floyd, and other old bands like that (rightfully so), but to me, far above them all was Van Halen (mainly the first six albums). Doesn't anyone remember how they completely made other bands look like wimps? And as for Eddie, no guitar player since him has even come close to touching his little toe. Everything about his playing was unique, mind-blowing, and full of emotion." -Jason Becker
So pretty close, I'd say.
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Plus he kicked the bass player out so his son could join the band. What a dick.
Great technique. But horrible taste, and a jerk.
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Plus he kicked the bass player out so his son could join the band. What a dick.
Great technique. But horrible taste, and a jerk.
I'm not arguing on behalf of his personality...it's quite obvious that his dependence issues mixed with his perfectionist issues made him an unbearable prick to deal with.
But honestly, Michael Anthony might have been the King of Freeload when it comes to all-time band members.
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Van Halen... where did it all go wrong? I've given it a lot of thought starting in high school because they were definitely the biggest band at my school about 1985... all the kids in bands worshipped them...no, there were no punks at my school...but bands like Rush, Van Halen and the Scorpions were the bands
Eddie is a prick... of that there is ample evidence....but whatever one thinks of him as a person he revolutionized guitar playing in the late 70s/early 80s....i'm not sure why there is this tendency to put down technique... i think its due to the 90s slacker/ironic culture that took over where you're supposed to look like you're not even trying and if it is studied its "fake" (and try to look like you're having a bad time or something)....now with everyone moving to brooklyn and recording stuff on a computer the idea of a guy who was gifted at actually playing a musical instrument is very passe.... its bad to be talented.. bad to sing well.. bad to draw attention to an actual guitar solo etc etc...
as far as van halen i find their david lee roth years stuff to be real fun... one can only wish more up and coming bands tried to look to them and of course AC DC the greatest band ever ( ;D)...its very rock and roll...its fun .... its about fun.....its a party...it can be traced back through ac dc (I am pretty clueless about guitar but Angus does tapping..it just seems to always be one handed... one of Eddie's innovations seems to me was to use both hands to tap on the guitar neck) all the way to chuck berry....it has showmanship etc.. with sammy things went south immediately and they turned into purveyors of schlock... van halen was great, van hagar not... Eddie's ego killed the band. I prefer David Lee Roth's first few solo albums to anything Van Hagar did.. not because DLR is amazing but he was clever to surround himself with amazingly gited musicians like Vai and Sheehan.... also recording a version of Eat them and Smile entirely in Spanish takes some cojones.
i was real ticked off about how they dicked over michael anthony but what could one expect?... i do think michael anthony's harmonies were an important ingredient as was his persona (again, FUN).. if they hadn't dicked him over i'd have gone to finally see them but I just didn't feel right about it..
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What about Jack White?
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So hutch you mention a bunch of guitarists but a lot of them came before Eddie so I don't think you could say he influenced them and paul mccartney is a bass player. Anyway no one on in that list is someone I would listen to now. I guess you kind of proved my point that eddie really has no influence today. Maybe that sound will come around again but right now his style is quite dead.
But I will say compared to Jeff Beck, Eddie actually produced music worth listening to at one time. The van hagar stuff is shit. And even some of the later david lee roth van halen stuff is worth listening to.
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I thought they fired Anthony because he sided with Hagar. Not because EVH's kid wanted to go on the road and eat all day.
Not so?
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paul mccartney is a bass player
He can play a few more instruments than that (and plays them well).
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Pretty much every rock guitar player throughout the 80s was aping what EVH did. I'm not saying he influenced great guitarists but to deny his influence means you're not aware of what the 80s rock scene was. There are better guitarists, more skilled guitarists, more innovative, but no one inspired more than a decade of popular guitar work than EVH apart from Chuck Berry who really started the whole rock guitar thing in the first place.
1) The 80s was the WORST era ever for music EVER.
b) Edward did NOTHING original. He merely copied what great guitar players did but not as well.
III) Those who 'aped eddie' were by proxy only copying the greats that edward copied.
D) Eddie is the biggest poser ever on stage.
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So there's RatBastard:
Eddie is WAAAAAY over hyped. Basically a poser.
And there's these guys:
"I think Eddie Van Halen is just a fantastic guitarist."- Ted Nugent 1979.
"I think I'm quite interested in Eddie Van Halen. He plays funny, and I like that. I think it's original...He uses a tremolo arm and has his own runs and styles, and it's good. I like the way he has chosen. It's really flashy."
-Michael Schenker 1981.
"Right now Eddie Van Halen is the top. It seems like every kid wants to learn his licks. He's right up there where Clapton was years ago."
-Leslie West 1980.
"There are many great players. Eddie Van Halen is great-I dont want to get near competing with people like him."-Randy Rhoads 1981.
"I always thought Edward was great. He's a fantastic guitar player." -- Allan Holdsworth
"What a wonderful musician...absolutely the pinnacle of guitar playing in our lifetime." -- Brian May
"Without a doubt, Eddie Van Halen is the greatest guitar player who has ever lived." -- Zakk Wylde
"Eddie's got the best right hand in the business, drop-dead timing and tone for days. He's a master guitarist and a great songwriter. I will always be a big fan of his playing." -Joe Satriani
"I was 12 years old when I heard the first VH album. If I live to be 100, I don't think I'll ever be blown away like that again. Then I saw them live in '79 on the second album tour. It was absolutely life changing." -Paul Gilbert
"EVH, by far, is the most innovative and bad-*bleeped* guitar player to date, and has managed to harness this magic for over 25 years. To this day, I still turn to my VH records for ideas and inspiration. Long live Edward Van Halen!!" -"Dimebag" Darrell Abbott
"Edward raised the bar on rock guitar playing. Actually, he most certainly reinvented it and that happens only three or four times a century. When a person plays an instrument, they wear their personality on their sleeve. There has always been an inspired yet intimate simplicity to Edward's musical expressions, not to mention a little iron ore, too." -Steve Vai
"Genius? This record is pretty much the record that made me want to buy a Marshall amp. It's
Eddie, man. Whoever just thinks he was a solo player and only inspired a generation to solo
missed the whole light on what Eddie's all about.-Nuno Bettencourt on Fair Warning 1992.
"I met Eddie at the Les Paul Tribute show years ago (1987) and he seemed like a very nice young man. I'm often asked what I think about guitarists outside the world of blues, you know, far as rock players like Jimi Hendrix and Eddie Van Halen. I've always believed that Jimi, while he was alive, became the number one rock 'n' roll guitarist of all time. Having said that, I must also say that I believe Eddie is a close second. After Jimi died, that's when my opinion went to Eric Clapton as the number one guy. Next to Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton, I can't think of too many people who've done more for rock guitar than Eddie Van Halen." -B.B. King
"You hear so much about Zeppelin, AC/DC, Kiss, Pink Floyd, and other old bands like that (rightfully so), but to me, far above them all was Van Halen (mainly the first six albums). Doesn't anyone remember how they completely made other bands look like wimps? And as for Eddie, no guitar player since him has even come close to touching his little toe. Everything about his playing was unique, mind-blowing, and full of emotion." -Jason Becker
"I was immediately impressed with his smooth, musical instincts when we were playing together. He seemed to pick supporting parts that were solid, simple, but had some rhythmic variation. When he took a solo, it was always fluid and natural. When we played our first gig, he invited us to his home to hang out from soundcheck until gig time. He and his wife were very gracious. I particularly like playing with very talented people, and he has tons of talent!" -Steve Morse
"If you had a guitar poll, I'd put Edward Van Halen in the first five slots and then the next five would start opening up." -Billy Gibbons
"I admire Eddie Van Halen and Steve Lukather, but they might blow me away quite easily if we were to jam together." -Eric Clapton
"These days I don't look to other people with the objective of trying to steal their licks, although I've got no objections to stealing them if that seems like a good idea. I'm sure that I'm still influenced by Mark Knopfler and Eddie Van Halen as well......I can't play like Eddie Van Halen. I wish I could. I sat down to try some of those ideas and can't do it. I don't know if I could ever get any of that stuff together. Sometimes I think I should work at the guitar more." -David Gilmour
"Eddie Van Halen was probably the most influential." -Tony Iommi
"What draws people to the instrument is the love for guitar players that play a certain way. I mean, even though it wasn't intentional, it was hard to avoid copying Eddie Van Halen. He was basically the *bleep* back then." -Tom Morello
"Eddie brought tapping to the forefront, and I still think he was one of the tastiest players doing it." -Jeff Beck
"I do think Van Halen reinvented the guitar...he's an excellent musician, a shrewd guitarist, and as a person he is wonderful." -Richie Blackmore
"I do like Eddie Van Halen as a player. He gets it right quite often." -Paul McCartney
"I never saw Eddie playing live with Van Halen until the very end of Van Halen with Sammy Hagar, so I never saw the original but I heard the records, and he was just awesome, he was great. I hope his health is doing better, I don't know what's going on with that, but he rewrote the book, kind of like Hendrix and Clapton. He was the next guy to actually turn it all around." -Eric Johnson
"I definately didn't start thinking about doing any two-handed tapping until after I heard
Van Halen. His influence is way beyond just tapping, but it is the most obvious thing
that he brought to the guitar culture. He's just totally musical."-Vernon Reid 1992.
"I had a band called White Horse who played with Van Halen a few times at Gazzarri's. Ed was always great...my mouth would fall open." -Mick Mars
"I was like *bleep*, what am I gonna do now? To see everything you thought you knew about guitar playing change right before your eyes, at your very own show. Talk about depressed. But I knew I had to learn from this guy. He was doing something new, and I had to get with the program if I ever stood a chance of competing." -George Lynch
"People always think the guitar is reaching its limits. They thought guitar music was stagnating in the late 70's, and then Eddie Van Halen comes in and changes everything. For my money, Eddie was the first significant new kid on the block. Very dazzling. And I think he played a vital role in keeping kids interested, because they could look up to this cheeky little guy with a big smile. He flew the flag well, I think." -Jimmy Page
"No one can play guitar like Eddie. He took everything that went before him and said, I've heard all that before. And then introduced all the finger-tapping stuff that he does. And not only is he a great player, he's a great showman, and that's what it's all about." -Joe Perry
"When I heard the first Van Halen album, I couldn't believe how great the guitar playing was--and I heard that album at a point when I didn't like any of the new guitar players. I mean, he totally changed the whole guitar field--and he's still as great now as he's ever been. I would love to jam with him." -Yngwie J. Malmsteen
"You hear so much about Zeppelin, AC/DC, Kiss, Pink Floyd, and other old bands like that (rightfully so), but to me, far above them all was Van Halen (mainly the first six albums). Doesn't anyone remember how they completely made other bands look like wimps? And as for Eddie, no guitar player since him has even come close to touching his little toe. Everything about his playing was unique, mind-blowing, and full of emotion." -Jason Becker
So pretty close, I'd say.
You REALLY think that 99.999% of quotes of these type are not just hype and fluff? I know many musicians personally who absolutely cannot stand others in the field but publicly they praise these same players. Its all part of the game.
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who ever you are . . . and you know who you are. you dear sir, do not know shit. van halen rules. always has, always will. the last tour was a joke from the start, but it held onto the dream for as long as it could. van halen rules, you hear me. you come over and here and boycott this thread, because van halen is it, the shit, the reason guitar rock exists. hendrix who, paige who, anastasio who . . . these guys, forever.
kosmo, you shut down this thread. still all emotional over here about awesome van halen is.
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Plus he kicked the bass player out so his son could join the band. What a dick.
Great technique. But horrible taste, and a jerk.
I'm not arguing on behalf of his personality...it's quite obvious that his dependence issues mixed with his perfectionist issues made him an unbearable prick to deal with.
But honestly, Michael Anthony might have been the King of Freeload when it comes to all-time band members.
At the risk of sounding well informed regarding the music of van halen, imo the bass players backup vocals had nearly as much to do with their sound as dave's vocals and eddies guitar.
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If we are going to talk about bands that suck ass we really ought to be discussing U2.
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BINGO on my "Things Said On My 9:30 Forum" Card.
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If we are going to talk about bands that suck ass we really ought to be discussing U2.
I think every band would like to suck as bad as U2. Tons of great pop songs and stadium gigs. And edge is actually a guitarist who just plays well without trying to show off.
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If we are going to talk about bands that suck ass we really ought to be discussing U2.
I think every band would like to suck as bad as U2. Tons of great pop songs and stadium gigs. And edge is actually a guitarist who just plays well without trying to show off.
A handful of average (and to use the term loosely) musicians who make average pop songs. Bone-Ho is the biggest megalomaniac in the music industry. As you say they sold a lot but they still suck. Numbers <> quality. Case in point, cockroaches and AOL. :)
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Two 50 year old guys arguing about U2.
Does it get more entertaining than this?
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Van Halen SUCKS
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Two 50 year old guys arguing about U2.
Does it get more entertaining than this?
the last time I bought an album by U2 I was a teenager. I don't get your age thing. As before I am not 50. Do you really feel old or something. You keep bringing up people's age. It appears that having kids has drained the life out of you but not everyone feels super old.
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Wotta bunch of uptight gloomy fucks, Van Halen I rules, deal with it ;D
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No strong feelings on Van Halen either way, but Aztec Camera's acoustic cover of "Jump" is all time favorite cover.
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No strong feelings on Van Halen either way, but Aztec Camera's acoustic cover of "Jump" is all time favorite cover.
finally we agree on something.
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No strong feelings on Van Halen either way, but Aztec Camera's acoustic cover of "Jump" is all time favorite cover.
Many years ago right after I got out of the Marine Corps I ran the supply room at a local hospital. One day one of the women who worked filling supply orders for the patient wards was singing the song Jump as she was working. I laughed when she sang "Maxwell Jump, oh Maxwell Jump"... True story! (I hop I didn't just ruin the song for you.)
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you were in the marines . . . hot.
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I don't like some of Van Halen stuff, but I think they're a solid 80's rock group. Personally, I don't think they hold a candle to GNR, but it was semi different times in the decade. I think Eddie and Diamond Dave are both epic levels of ass hats, but I think what they had for an amount of time was magic. I play guitar, I love playing guitar and watching/listening to gods play guitar and EVH is absolutely up their in my top 10 if not top 5 all time.
So, people can say they suck, and that's fine, I think they rock. At least most of the time. Come on, that drum intro on "Hot For Teacher" into that crazy tapping intro from Eddie? Dude.
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So this must have been the ultimate in suckatude?
(http://cover.u2cdn.com/cover/Audio-Covers/1984-1985%20-%20The%20Unforgettable%20Fire%20Tour/04%20-%201984%20-%204th%20Leg%20-%20North%20America/.thumbs/lr_1984-12-05-Washington-UnforgettableFireWashingtonDC-Back.jpg)
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So this must have been the ultimate in suckatude?
(http://cover.u2cdn.com/cover/Audio-Covers/1984-1985%20-%20The%20Unforgettable%20Fire%20Tour/04%20-%201984%20-%204th%20Leg%20-%20North%20America/.thumbs/lr_1984-12-05-Washington-UnforgettableFireWashingtonDC-Back.jpg)
Saw them on this tour on their 2nd leg through dc...amazing show.
Life changing, in fact.
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I don't like some of Van Halen stuff, but I think they're a solid 80's rock group. Personally, I don't think they hold a candle to GNR, but it was semi different times in the decade. I think Eddie and Diamond Dave are both epic levels of ass hats, but I think what they had for an amount of time was magic. I play guitar, I love playing guitar and watching/listening to gods play guitar and EVH is absolutely up their in my top 10 if not top 5 all time.
So, people can say they suck, and that's fine, I think they rock. At least most of the time. Come on, that drum intro on "Hot For Teacher" into that crazy tapping intro from Eddie? Dude.
Solid defense of non-suckitude.
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So this must have been the ultimate in suckatude?
(http://cover.u2cdn.com/cover/Audio-Covers/1984-1985%20-%20The%20Unforgettable%20Fire%20Tour/04%20-%201984%20-%204th%20Leg%20-%20North%20America/.thumbs/lr_1984-12-05-Washington-UnforgettableFireWashingtonDC-Back.jpg)
I tried to get tickets to a DAR consitution hall show by them in 1984 at constitution hall. I believe it was later in the year. But by the time I got off work the day tickets went on sale they were already gone.. Still haven't seen them. But by the looks of that set-list that kind of sucks I missed it. Too bad their wasn't stubhub back then.
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So this must have been the ultimate in suckatude?
Could be. I've never heard this show but this would represent the timeframe in which they (in my opinion) started to suck. I realize this is not popular opinion but couldn't care less.
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Saw them on this tour on their 2nd leg through dc...amazing show.
Life changing, in fact.
Agreed - I saw them at the Cap Centre (4/8/85) and it was incredible at the time!
1. 11 O'Clock Tick Tock
2. I Will Follow
3. Seconds
4. MLK
5. The Unforgettable Fire
6. Break On Through (snippet) / Wire / Give Me Some Truth (snippet)
7. Sunday Bloody Sunday
8. The Cry
9. The Electric Co. / Wooden Heart (snippet) / Amazing Grace (snippet)
10. A Sort Of Homecoming
11. Bad / I'm Waiting For The Man (snippet) / Norwegian Wood (snippet) / Ruby Tuesday (snippet) / Sympathy For The Devil (snippet)
12. October
13. New Year's Day
14. Pride (In The Name Of Love)
encore(s):
1. Knockin' On Heaven's Door
2. Gloria
3. 40 / Do They Know It's Christmas (snippet) / We Are The World (snippet)
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So this must have been the ultimate in suckatude?
Could be. I've never heard this show but this would represent the timeframe in which they (in my opinion) started to suck. I realize this is not popular opinion but couldn't care less.
But "All that you can't leave behind" came out 16 years later and is a pretty awesome album.
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Saw them on this tour on their 2nd leg through dc...amazing show.
Life changing, in fact.
Agreed - I saw them at the Cap Centre (4/8/85) and it was incredible at the time!
1. 11 O'Clock Tick Tock
2. I Will Follow
3. Seconds
4. MLK
5. The Unforgettable Fire
6. Break On Through (snippet) / Wire / Give Me Some Truth (snippet)
7. Sunday Bloody Sunday
8. The Cry
9. The Electric Co. / Wooden Heart (snippet) / Amazing Grace (snippet)
10. A Sort Of Homecoming
11. Bad / I'm Waiting For The Man (snippet) / Norwegian Wood (snippet) / Ruby Tuesday (snippet) / Sympathy For The Devil (snippet)
12. October
13. New Year's Day
14. Pride (In The Name Of Love)
encore(s):
1. Knockin' On Heaven's Door
2. Gloria
3. 40 / Do They Know It's Christmas (snippet) / We Are The World (snippet)
That's the show I saw too...blew my 13 year old mind.
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The best part of the show was Bono's irritation with Cap Centre security:
http://u2station.com/tours/1985/04/april-8-1985---landover-maryland-usa---capital-centre.php
This particular night, Bono was mad. Mad at the arena security that is. A bunch of underpaid bullies with no sense of what a concert is supposed to be. During the first few songs, the security guards around the stage were harassing any fan who was having a good time. Bono had had enough, and told the security guards to stop pushing the fans around. Then he ordered the security to leave, and the band refused to play another note until all stage security left the area. Deafening cheers from the 10,000 in attendance. Bono also said to those unfortunate fans in the nosebleeds to come down and sit closer, which literally ended up starting a near-riot. From then on, the show was incredible. Unfortunately, the near-riot caused local officials and the Capitol Centre staff to ban U2 from ever performing in that venue again.
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for whatever reason I've never seen U2....
but I'd have really liked to see the 1983 or the one on Live Under a Blood Red Sky.. or the next year would have been fine....that period... before joshua tree.... the period where they were sort of a band that mattered....it was more than the music or "hits"....they were hungry, they had something important to say (and the credibility to say it), etc.
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Van Halen > U2
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The best part of the show was Bono's irritation with Cap Centre security:
http://u2station.com/tours/1985/04/april-8-1985---landover-maryland-usa---capital-centre.php
This particular night, Bono was mad. Mad at the arena security that is. A bunch of underpaid bullies with no sense of what a concert is supposed to be. During the first few songs, the security guards around the stage were harassing any fan who was having a good time. Bono had had enough, and told the security guards to stop pushing the fans around. Then he ordered the security to leave, and the band refused to play another note until all stage security left the area. Deafening cheers from the 10,000 in attendance. Bono also said to those unfortunate fans in the nosebleeds to come down and sit closer, which literally ended up starting a near-riot. From then on, the show was incredible. Unfortunately, the near-riot caused local officials and the Capitol Centre staff to ban U2 from ever performing in that venue again.
When Bono did the come on down bit me and my girlfriend started making our way down into the lower bowl...until a security guard punched me in the stomach. I was 13.
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for whatever reason I've never seen U2....
but I'd have really liked to see the 1983 or the one on Live Under a Blood Red Sky.. or the next year would have been fine....that period... before joshua tree.... the period where they were sort of a band that mattered....it was more than the music or "hits"....they were hungry, they had something important to say (and the credibility to say it), etc.
I love everything up to and including Unforgettable Fire. And that one might be my favorite.
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I don't like some of Van Halen stuff, but I think they're a solid 80's rock group. Personally, I don't think they hold a candle to GNR, but it was semi different times in the decade. I think Eddie and Diamond Dave are both epic levels of ass hats, but I think what they had for an amount of time was magic. I play guitar, I love playing guitar and watching/listening to gods play guitar and EVH is absolutely up their in my top 10 if not top 5 all time.
So, people can say they suck, and that's fine, I think they rock. At least most of the time. Come on, that drum intro on "Hot For Teacher" into that crazy tapping intro from Eddie? Dude.
OMFG GnR LOL, Axl is the ABSOLUTE WORST vocalist in all of music history. He doesn't even sing, he screeches. And that horrible sweet child of mine, gak it makes deaf dogs puke. The only reason he was in the band oi that his mom let them use their garage for practice.
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I think U2s first US show or close- on their first tour- where people thought they were a gay band apparently because of the Boy cover, they played the Bayou in Georgetown.. I'd have loved to have seen that one too!
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I don't like some of Van Halen stuff, but I think they're a solid 80's rock group. Personally, I don't think they hold a candle to GNR, but it was semi different times in the decade. I think Eddie and Diamond Dave are both epic levels of ass hats, but I think what they had for an amount of time was magic. I play guitar, I love playing guitar and watching/listening to gods play guitar and EVH is absolutely up their in my top 10 if not top 5 all time.
So, people can say they suck, and that's fine, I think they rock. At least most of the time. Come on, that drum intro on "Hot For Teacher" into that crazy tapping intro from Eddie? Dude.
OMFG GnR LOL, Axl is the ABSOLUTE WORST vocalist in all of music history. He doesn't even sing, he screeches. And that horrible sweet child of mine, gak it makes deaf dogs puke. The only reason he was in the band oi that his mom let them use their garage for practice.
Lol, yeah Kurt Cobain was a way better vocalist, or Karen O, or Wayne Coyne, or Gene Simmons, or Ozzy Osbourne, or Geddy Lee, or Lemmy, or Chad Kroeger, or Jonathan Davis, or Rivers Cuomo, or Trey Anastasio, or Thom Yorke.
Yeah, Rock N Roll is the cream of the crop of angelic, non-screeching voices. Please.
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The best part of the show was Bono's irritation with Cap Centre security:
http://u2station.com/tours/1985/04/april-8-1985---landover-maryland-usa---capital-centre.php
This particular night, Bono was mad. Mad at the arena security that is. A bunch of underpaid bullies with no sense of what a concert is supposed to be. During the first few songs, the security guards around the stage were harassing any fan who was having a good time. Bono had had enough, and told the security guards to stop pushing the fans around. Then he ordered the security to leave, and the band refused to play another note until all stage security left the area. Deafening cheers from the 10,000 in attendance. Bono also said to those unfortunate fans in the nosebleeds to come down and sit closer, which literally ended up starting a near-riot. From then on, the show was incredible. Unfortunately, the near-riot caused local officials and the Capitol Centre staff to ban U2 from ever performing in that venue again.
Now this is an awesome story.
;D
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I don't like some of Van Halen stuff, but I think they're a solid 80's rock group. Personally, I don't think they hold a candle to GNR, but it was semi different times in the decade. I think Eddie and Diamond Dave are both epic levels of ass hats, but I think what they had for an amount of time was magic. I play guitar, I love playing guitar and watching/listening to gods play guitar and EVH is absolutely up their in my top 10 if not top 5 all time.
So, people can say they suck, and that's fine, I think they rock. At least most of the time. Come on, that drum intro on "Hot For Teacher" into that crazy tapping intro from Eddie? Dude.
OMFG GnR LOL, Axl is the ABSOLUTE WORST vocalist in all of music history. He doesn't even sing, he screeches. And that horrible sweet child of mine, gak it makes deaf dogs puke. The only reason he was in the band oi that his mom let them use their garage for practice.
Axl the worst vocalist in music history??? come on have you never heard bob dylan or lou reed attempt to sing.
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OMFG GnR LOL, Axl is the ABSOLUTE WORST vocalist in all of music history. He doesn't even sing, he screeches. And that horrible sweet child of mine, gak it makes deaf dogs puke. The only reason he was in the band oi that his mom let them use their garage for practice.
Once again you're either stupid or lying (my guess: BOTH). Axl is from Indiana. GnR formed in L.A. I don't think the band commuted thousands of miles to Axl's home in the midwest. Come up with some more shit to spew.
Seriously, you are never correct, or interesting, on anything.
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OMFG GnR LOL, Axl is the ABSOLUTE WORST vocalist in all of music history. He doesn't even sing, he screeches. And that horrible sweet child of mine, gak it makes deaf dogs puke. The only reason he was in the band oi that his mom let them use their garage for practice.
Once again you're either stupid or lying (my guess: BOTH). Axl is from Indiana. GnR formed in L.A. I don't think the band commuted thousands of miles to Axl's home in the midwest. Come up with some more shit to spew.
Seriously, you are never correct, or interesting, on anything.
thank you for saying what i could not say.
as I'm responding to your post I will add that Axl Rose is a heck of a vocalist... as is Bob Dylan..
unfortunately some people don't understand the concept of "singing"... these same clowns would surely also put down Billie Holiday.
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That growl at the beginning of "Welcome To The Jungle" totally fucking sucks. Screaching sucks. No one ever screaches in Rock N Roll.
"You Could Be Mine". My god. How can you not go crazy to Axl screaming his ass of on that track!?!
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Was the size of the mullet in 1984 directly proportional to the size of the ego, inversely proportional to the size of the penis, or both?
I bet Axl Rose had a mullet three times the length of Bono.
So this must have been the ultimate in suckatude?
(http://cover.u2cdn.com/cover/Audio-Covers/1984-1985%20-%20The%20Unforgettable%20Fire%20Tour/04%20-%201984%20-%204th%20Leg%20-%20North%20America/.thumbs/lr_1984-12-05-Washington-UnforgettableFireWashingtonDC-Back.jpg)
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it's all in the delivery. johnny cash, nick cave, tom waits. it's a long list. bob dylan, lou reed, johnny cash, j mascis, patti smith, john darnielle, iggy pop, none great singers (some of them not even good ones) but tons of style points.
And i'll take appetite gnr over any vh all day long.
PS: Bono's mullet was amazing
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PS: Bono's mullet was amazing
Yes, context matters here. 80s mullets should not be judged by today's standards.
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You guys are so negative about everyone. Just appreciate music and stop complaining all the time about this person sucking and that person sucking. If it is so easy to make tens of millions while sucking so badly why don't you do it yourself?
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Axl never had a mullet, he just had that nasty, LA trash, long, stringy ginger hair.
(http://davethomas14.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/axlrose.jpg)
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OMFG GnR LOL, Axl is the ABSOLUTE WORST vocalist in all of music history. He doesn't even sing, he screeches. And that horrible sweet child of mine, gak it makes deaf dogs puke. The only reason he was in the band oi that his mom let them use their garage for practice.
Once again you're either stupid or lying (my guess: BOTH). Axl is from Indiana. GnR formed in L.A. I don't think the band commuted thousands of miles to Axl's home in the midwest. Come up with some more shit to spew.
Seriously, you are never correct, or interesting, on anything.
The part about the garage was a joke. It has been around for years. Probably right after the release of the first GnR CD. Fact remains Axl not only is a total douche but he doesn't sing and what he does do on most songs is a god awful screech that makes dog's ears bleed for miles around.
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OMFG GnR LOL, Axl is the ABSOLUTE WORST vocalist in all of music history. He doesn't even sing, he screeches. And that horrible sweet child of mine, gak it makes deaf dogs puke. The only reason he was in the band oi that his mom let them use their garage for practice.
Once again you're either stupid or lying (my guess: BOTH). Axl is from Indiana. GnR formed in L.A. I don't think the band commuted thousands of miles to Axl's home in the midwest. Come up with some more shit to spew.
Seriously, you are never correct, or interesting, on anything.
The part about the garage was a joke. It has been around for years. Probably right after the release of the first GnR CD. Fact remains Axl not only is a total douche but he doesn't sing and what he does do on most songs is a god awful screech that makes dog's ears bleed for miles around.
Those dogs had it coming...just as 'victims' of gun violence do.
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I'll be shocked if thread doesn't move on to Radiohead by midday tomorrow, but I do get the feeling it will skip REM all together.
Another longshot would be The Killers by Thursday.
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Top Ten Bands in Hell (IOW Worst Bands Ever) In No Particular Order
U2
Rush
Boston
Journey
Metallica
VanHagar
Dave Matthews
Kansas
Nickleback
Creed
Have fun!
(this is in addition to the absolute all time #1 GnR)
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why the hate for hagar. his sounds are like lovemaking, sweet and smooth. and he makes a drink to get you drunk to. right here, right now . . . oh yeah.
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Can we agreed that most of the bands on that list suck and to move on to stuff that doesn't suck?
Personally right now my favs are Dry The River, The Bombay Royale and The Imagineers to name a couple.
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Can we agreed that most of the bands on that list suck and to move on to stuff that doesn't suck?
Personally right now my favs are Dry The River, The Bombay Royale and The Imagineers to name a couple.
Journey doesn't suck. Anyway the worst band I have ever seen is Mouthus. Well and Flipper.
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Kosmo what do you think of The Secret Machines?
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Kosmo what do you think of The Secret Machines?
I'm a fan, even got to DJ before them a couple times. Had the drummer come flying into the DJ booth because he heard a track he really liked by Cardinal.
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Flipper is one of the most weirdly life affirming bands ever. No wonder Krist Novoselic joined them for a while.
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Like he's had any kind of life for the last 20 years.
Flipper is one of the most weirdly life affirming bands ever. No wonder Krist Novoselic joined them for a while.
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I realize that I'm trying to get this forum on a more positive vibe, but I had a UK band called "Four Dead In Ohio" follow me on twitter. They have been blocked... What the hell is that all about, I suspect they'll never tour the US with a name like that.
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I realize that I'm trying to get this forum on a more positive vibe, but I had a UK band called "Four Dead In Ohio" follow me on twitter. They have been blocked... What the hell is that all about, I suspect they'll never tour the US with a name like that.
That is a powerful name. I am curious as to what type of music they play. I may have to go do some research on that. On a tagently related topic, the first concert i ever saw was CSNY at Foreman field in Norfolk, VA in the early/mid 70s.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxBPTuN5fxc
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Not bad.
Great band name.
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(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee109/krymson_tyde/60cf4010.jpg)
(http://cdn.ientry.com/sites/webpronews/pictures/axlfunnelcakes_616.jpg)
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^^^^^^^^^
the funnel cake had me loling
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Flipper is one of the most weirdly life affirming bands ever. No wonder Krist Novoselic joined them for a while.
when i saw them at the old 930 club they started playing a song stopped after 10 seconds tuned their guitars... they started playing for 10 seconds again and stopped playing and tuned their guitars again. After 30 minutes of this the crowd started shouting "6 bucks, 6 bucks" which was the price of admission. Worst band ever. Pathetically bad. I wasn't suprised to find out a member of the band died from heroin overdose a year or two later. I would find it hard to imagine a band being worse. Even a group of untrained 6 year olds would have done better.
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Top Ten Bands in Hell (IOW Worst Bands Ever) In No Particular Order
U2
Rush
Boston
Journey
Metallica
VanHagar
Dave Matthews
Kansas
Nickleback
Creed
Have fun!
(this is in addition to the absolute all time #1 GnR)
You forgot to add the Red Hot Chli Shits to that list.
In my opinion, Anthony Kedis is the very worst excuse for a singer in the world! Even with all of the best studios and engineers the world has to offer, they can't hide his lack of talent. Unlike Dylan, Waits, Jagger and many others, he doesn't even have the style to compensate. He just sucks and sucks big time! Not a reflection on the rest of the band but, damn!, couldn't they kick that no-talent bastard out for someone who can at least carry a note for a bar or so to front their band? Pathetic!
*U2 I only dislike rather than think they out and out suck but Bono alone causes me to tend to discount anything else the band does. Oh, and Bono has really lost his voice over the years. Another one who can't be hidden by the studios any longer. Talk about painful screeching!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxBPTuN5fxc
Solid stuff.
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Flipper is one of the most weirdly life affirming bands ever. No wonder Krist Novoselic joined them for a while.
I have a great OG issue Flipper t-shirt. Pisses off the Nirvana faithful who don't get it.
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Love Flipper. Never saw them, unfortunately.
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Love Flipper. Never saw them, unfortunately.
change that to fortunately.
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Van Halen's first album is great. For better or worse it probably kick started the glam metal movement. The rest of their stuff is pretty lackluster to terrible in comparison. My two cents.
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I think the glam metal movement arose more from the early 80s guys being fans of Bowie, Sweet, T Rex, NY Dolls. If anything, I've argued fitfully that EVH's technique gave birth to speed metal, which morphed into death metal, which morphed into all the various metal genres that there are today. And there's a lot of them!
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I think the glam metal movement arose more from the early 80s guys being fans of Bowie, Sweet, T Rex, NY Dolls. If anything, I've argued fitfully that EVH's technique gave birth to speed metal, which morphed into death metal, which morphed into all the various metal genres that there are today. And there's a lot of them!
I can agree with this, never looked at EVH that way, but it makes sense.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who plays/loves the guitar doesn't love, or at least appreciate Eddie Van Halen. He's a fucking god.
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I think the glam metal movement arose more from the early 80s guys being fans of Bowie, Sweet, T Rex, NY Dolls. If anything, I've argued fitfully that EVH's technique gave birth to speed metal, which morphed into death metal, which morphed into all the various metal genres that there are today. And there's a lot of them!
Yeah that is why the glam metal was awesome and the speed metal sucked balls.
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I think the glam metal movement arose more from the early 80s guys being fans of Bowie, Sweet, T Rex, NY Dolls. If anything, I've argued fitfully that EVH's technique gave birth to speed metal, which morphed into death metal, which morphed into all the various metal genres that there are today. And there's a lot of them!
I can agree with this, never looked at EVH that way, but it makes sense.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who plays/loves the guitar doesn't love, or at least appreciate Eddie Van Halen. He's a fucking god.
He was (is) a very good guitar player but not even close to the top tier elite status. He added nothoign new to the genre.
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I think the glam metal movement arose more from the early 80s guys being fans of Bowie, Sweet, T Rex, NY Dolls. If anything, I've argued fitfully that EVH's technique gave birth to speed metal, which morphed into death metal, which morphed into all the various metal genres that there are today. And there's a lot of them!
I can agree with this, never looked at EVH that way, but it makes sense.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who plays/loves the guitar doesn't love, or at least appreciate Eddie Van Halen. He's a fucking god.
He was (is) a very good guitar player but not even close to the top tier elite status. He added nothoign new to the genre.
He absolutely added something new to the genre, I know it's fun to make ridiculous claims and attempt to pass them off as truth to get a reaction but c'mon HAHA
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I think the glam metal movement arose more from the early 80s guys being fans of Bowie, Sweet, T Rex, NY Dolls. If anything, I've argued fitfully that EVH's technique gave birth to speed metal, which morphed into death metal, which morphed into all the various metal genres that there are today. And there's a lot of them!
I can agree with this, never looked at EVH that way, but it makes sense.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who plays/loves the guitar doesn't love, or at least appreciate Eddie Van Halen. He's a fucking god.
He was (is) a very good guitar player but not even close to the top tier elite status. He added nothoign new to the genre.
He absolutely added something new to the genre, I know it's fun to make ridiculous claims and attempt to pass them off as truth to get a reaction but c'mon HAHA
Acting like a poser and a total douche bag on stage does not count. :)
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I think the glam metal movement arose more from the early 80s guys being fans of Bowie, Sweet, T Rex, NY Dolls. If anything, I've argued fitfully that EVH's technique gave birth to speed metal, which morphed into death metal, which morphed into all the various metal genres that there are today. And there's a lot of them!
I can agree with this, never looked at EVH that way, but it makes sense.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who plays/loves the guitar doesn't love, or at least appreciate Eddie Van Halen. He's a fucking god.
He was (is) a very good guitar player but not even close to the top tier elite status. He added nothoign new to the genre.
He absolutely added something new to the genre, I know it's fun to make ridiculous claims and attempt to pass them off as truth to get a reaction but c'mon HAHA
Acting like a poser and a total douche bag on stage does not count. :)
I will not respond.. I will not respond.. I will not.. I will NOT.
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I think the glam metal movement arose more from the early 80s guys being fans of Bowie, Sweet, T Rex, NY Dolls. If anything, I've argued fitfully that EVH's technique gave birth to speed metal, which morphed into death metal, which morphed into all the various metal genres that there are today. And there's a lot of them!
I can agree with this, never looked at EVH that way, but it makes sense.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who plays/loves the guitar doesn't love, or at least appreciate Eddie Van Halen. He's a fucking god.
He was (is) a very good guitar player but not even close to the top tier elite status. He added nothoign new to the genre.
He absolutely added something new to the genre, I know it's fun to make ridiculous claims and attempt to pass them off as truth to get a reaction but c'mon HAHA
Acting like a poser and a total douche bag on stage does not count. :)
I will not respond.. I will not respond.. I will not.. I will NOT.
Thank god
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I think the glam metal movement arose more from the early 80s guys being fans of Bowie, Sweet, T Rex, NY Dolls. If anything, I've argued fitfully that EVH's technique gave birth to speed metal, which morphed into death metal, which morphed into all the various metal genres that there are today. And there's a lot of them!
I can agree with this, never looked at EVH that way, but it makes sense.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who plays/loves the guitar doesn't love, or at least appreciate Eddie Van Halen. He's a fucking god.
He was (is) a very good guitar player but not even close to the top tier elite status. He added nothoign new to the genre.
He absolutely added something new to the genre, I know it's fun to make ridiculous claims and attempt to pass them off as truth to get a reaction but c'mon HAHA
Acting like a poser and a total douche bag on stage does not count. :)
Wait, he ACTED LIKE a poser? So, he was legitimate? Does acting like a douchebag mean shredding the guitar and being high as a kite on cocaine and pussy juice?
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I think the glam metal movement arose more from the early 80s guys being fans of Bowie, Sweet, T Rex, NY Dolls. If anything, I've argued fitfully that EVH's technique gave birth to speed metal, which morphed into death metal, which morphed into all the various metal genres that there are today. And there's a lot of them!
You're way off on your years by almost 10 years or so. Maybe more.