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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: Thousand Made-Up Loves on October 19, 2016, 10:46:01 am
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Here we go: another concert venue opens in the area and this one has deep pockets, which is great for bands. But is this bad for concert goers? As has been discussed here, the more venues in competition for acts, the more they have to pay to attract bands and the higher ticket prices will be.
Who is going to be hurt most by MGM opening up? Verizon Center? How bad will this affect IMP since acts that IMP books at Lincoln, MPP, DAR will also be candidates for playing at MGM?
Of course what pisses me off the most is the pitiful mass transit options for National Harbor. I know WMATA started a bus route from King St to the Gaylord, but I'm not sure if this bus route is going to run up by MGM, which is more than a hike away from the hotel. Plus, concerts often run as late as 11pm, making it a rush to get to the bus to get to the Yellow Line.
What do you guys think?
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I can tell you that I have been priced out of concerts at this venue. I saw the Cher announcement and it would be great if there were some residency acts, but I still don't think that I can afford them.
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Here we go: another concert venue opens in the area and this one has deep pockets, which is great for bands. But is this bad for concert goers? As has been discussed here, the more venues in competition for acts, the more they have to pay to attract bands and the higher ticket prices will be.
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What do you guys think?
I think if you keep this up, Seth will probably give you VIP tickets to an event for being a good shill.
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I haven't look hard, but where can I find details on this new venue?
Other than the Cher residency, I don't expect there to be many shows at this venue that I'll want to attend.
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Is Frank Turner playing at this venue too?
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I think if you keep this up, Seth will probably give you VIP tickets to an event for being a good shill.
Mark me down as a Seth shill. He brings acts to DC that I want to see and he brings them to convenient (except for MPP) locations at competitive prices.
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competitive prices.
When did we change the definition of competitive to "higher on average than virtually every other similarly-sized media market"?
EDIT: This is much more pronounced for 9:30 shows than MPP shows.
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I find that hard to believe. Show me the data.
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As Bagley would say: "No worries." If MGM takes Cher, P!ATD, and the like, we will all be okay.
MGM is 3,000 capacity. Seth's "Wharf" venue is coming (5,000 capacity?), and between that, Echo, 930, DAR, and Lincoln, you (and Seth) will be fine.
http://www.ticketmaster.com/The-Theater-at-MGM-National-Harbor-tickets-Oxon-Hill/venue/172613 (http://www.ticketmaster.com/The-Theater-at-MGM-National-Harbor-tickets-Oxon-Hill/venue/172613)
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I agree with Julian but of course ticket prices are higher in DC than say, Pittsburgh or St Louis. Everything costs more here. We also make more money here.
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I find that hard to believe. Show me the data.
I don't have "data" in the sense that I do not chart concert prices throughout the years and statistically model them in case someone asks me because (a) its not my job, and (b) I do not have a degree is statistically modeling.
I will say this, purely anecdotally: I live in Richmond and probably 50% of the shows I want to see do not hit my city. I have to travel to see shows ~15 times a year and I have to factor in what day of the week they fall on and also prices. So, I probably look at what a certain tour costs throughout the Mid-Atlantic more than the average boardie. And invariably, if a tour is hitting 9:30 Club and also any one or more of Philly, VA Beach/Norfolk, Charlottesville, Raleigh, or Charlotte, the 9:30 Club show will be the either the most expensive tour date or tied for the most expensive tour date. This is a phenomenon that in pre-dates the opening of FSS. This is also a phenomenon that does not exist for shows at any other DC venue (including MPP).
That is not to say 9:30 Club isn't a great venue or that I don't go there. I do whenever the only feasible (or in many cases the only) Mid-Atlantic tour stop hits there. But its never "competitively priced."
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I think it would be more fair to compare DC with Philly, Boston and Atlanta than Richmond, Charlotte or Virginia Beach.
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I think it would be more fair to compare DC with Philly, Boston and Atlanta than Richmond, Charlotte or Virginia Beach.
Probably. (I do look at Philly, as I said.) Again, I was not a statistics major, I just play one on the internet.
Do you think a band charges more to play a 1200 person venue in DC than a 1200 person venue in Norfolk? To what would you attribute the fact that I virtually never see a price difference between Black Cat and a similarly sized Richmond or Charlottesville venue? If its purely cost of living-driven, shouldn't I see this with all DC venues?
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I think it would be more fair to compare DC with Philly, Boston and Atlanta than Richmond, Charlotte or Virginia Beach.
Probably. (I do look at Philly, as I said.) Again, I was not a statistics major, I just play one on the internet.
Do you think a band charges more to play a 1200 person venue in DC than a 1200 person venue in Norfolk? To what would you attribute the fact that I virtually never see a price difference between Black Cat and a similarly sized Richmond or Charlottesville venue? If its purely cost of living-driven, shouldn't I see this with all DC venues?
Expenses are more in DC than Richmond/Norfolk/etc., Sherlock.
edit: Bands that are playing the Black Cat aren't going to command a price difference of $15 to $20 a ticket IMO where bands that are playing the 930 club most likely will/would.
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Expenses are more in DC than Richmond/Norfolk/etc., Sherlock.
Then I ask you again: to what would you attribute the fact that I virtually never see a price difference between Black Cat and a similarly sized Richmond or Charlottesville venue?
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Expenses are more in DC than Richmond/Norfolk/etc., Sherlock.
Then I ask you again: to what would you attribute the fact that I virtually never see a price difference between Black Cat and a similarly sized Richmond or Charlottesville venue?
Example: Jean Jacket Joe and the Bombers play Black Cat or some dump in Norfolk. No matter where you live, guys like az and killsally aren't going to pay more than $8 to $12 to see Jean Jacket Joe and the Bombers.
Example: Wilco plays 930 Club and some dump in Norfolk. Guys like Space will dig deep into their thrifty pockets to maybe pay $60 give or take to see Wilco rock their dad asses off at the 930 Club. While that dump down in Norfolk can most likely only get people to splurge $35 for that show.
Make sense?
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Make sense?
You just made an argument that Space is throwing cash around willy-nilly and you're asking me if it makes sense?
I would point out that by conceding as part of your version of events that 9:30 Club shows are pricier than anywhere else in a 6-hour driving radius around DC that you've de facto agreed with my central point that Seth isn't giving us super cheap, competitively-priced concerts because he loves us or whatever OP was on about.
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Make sense?
You just made an argument that Space is throwing cash around willy-nilly and you're asking me if it makes sense?
I would point out that by conceding as part of your version of events that 9:30 Club shows are pricier than anywhere else in a 6-hour driving radius around DC that you've de facto agreed with my central point that Seth isn't giving us super cheap, competitively-priced concerts because he loves us or whatever OP was on about.
Wait.. what are we talking about? Bottom line, you can charge more in DC and the savvy business man Seth is doing just that (Hai Seth!!).
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Maybe "competitively priced" wasn't the best adjective to use as I only attend shows in the District. Basically all I care about is that that the indie bands I like don't end up playing MGM...which is what I am afraid of.
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How "indie" is a band if they're playing the same venue as Cher?
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How "indie" is a band if they're playing the same venue as Cher?
Belle & Sebastian & Baccarat sounds like a hell of an evening.
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How "indie" is a band if they're playing the same venue as Cher?
Good point...sort of.
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How "indie" is a band if they're playing the same venue as Cher?
Belle & Sebastian & Baccarat sounds like a hell of an evening.
Sure would be...if I didn't have to drive to get there.
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How "indie" is a band if they're playing the same venue as Cher?
Belle & Sebastian & Baccarat sounds like a hell of an evening.
I saw them in NYC in March. My wife fell asleep, and I was pretty bored myself. They were just too fey and faggotty.
(http://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=2207.msg35462#msg35462)
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for many shows 930 Club charges a "best club in the nation" premium.... and although it may seem expensive just remember to divide it by two...
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Good point. How much extra would you be willing to pay to see a concert at the best venue in the nation?
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anyways back to the MGM venue.. they are booking some rock: Kings of Leon/Panic at the disco
I just can't see ever going there.. I mean its in Prince George's County, right?
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anyways back to the MGM venue.. they are booking some rock: Kings of Leon/Panic at the disco
I just can't see ever going there.. I mean its in Prince George's County, right?
I am sure there will be a band or two I want to see come there. It seems to me the type of place that Dylan or Prince would have played at some point in their careers. Getting there is a pretty big hurdle for me though. It will take a lot.
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anyways back to the MGM venue.. they are booking some rock: Kings of Leon/Panic at the disco
I just can't see ever going there.. I mean its in Prince George's County, right?
I am sure there will be a band or two I want to see come there. It seems to me the type of place that Dylan or Prince would have played at some point in their careers. Getting there is a pretty big hurdle for me though. It will take a lot.
Do you lack a drivers license?
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anyways back to the MGM venue.. they are booking some rock: Kings of Leon/Panic at the disco
I just can't see ever going there.. I mean its in Prince George's County, right?
I am sure there will be a band or two I want to see come there. It seems to me the type of place that Dylan or Prince would have played at some point in their careers. Getting there is a pretty big hurdle for me though. It will take a lot.
Do you lack a drivers license?
No, but I live in the city and so don't need or have a car.
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that's sounds awesome . . . to be liberated from a car. I live on the moon . . . well I might as well be, and I am in real estate, so such options will always, elude me.
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anyways back to the MGM venue.. they are booking some rock: Kings of Leon/Panic at the disco
I just can't see ever going there.. I mean its in Prince George's County, right?
I am sure there will be a band or two I want to see come there. It seems to me the type of place that Dylan or Prince would have played at some point in their careers. Getting there is a pretty big hurdle for me though. It will take a lot.
Do you lack a drivers license?
No, but I live in the city and so don't need or have a car.
Well it sounds like you will need one to get to the MGM.
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anyways back to the MGM venue.. they are booking some rock: Kings of Leon/Panic at the disco
I just can't see ever going there.. I mean its in Prince George's County, right?
I am sure there will be a band or two I want to see come there. It seems to me the type of place that Dylan or Prince would have played at some point in their careers. Getting there is a pretty big hurdle for me though. It will take a lot.
Do you lack a drivers license?
No, but I live in the city and so don't need or have a car.
Well it sounds like you will need one to get to the MGM.
I've never wanted a car before, but suddenly all that is changing. The promise of Vegas style Casino shows in my own back yard is definitely worth the price of a beater and city parking!
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umm...has anyone heard of Uber?
cars are a pain in the ass and expensive
if you live in the burbs and beyond, it's a must. but if I lived in the city, I probably wouldn't have one
(although now I have kids...so that changes that stance a bit)
also you can take the water taxi from old town...and I think Georgetown
I bet when the new water front opens in SW the water taxi will go there too
Also I'm sure MGM grand will be running free shuttles from Union Station and DCA ...I'd bet on that!
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umm...has anyone heard of Uber?
cars are a pain in the ass and expensive
if you live in the burbs and beyond, it's a must. but if I lived in the city, I probably wouldn't have one
(although now I have kids...so that changes that stance a bit)
also you can take the water taxi from old town...and I think Georgetown
I bet when the new water front opens in SW the water taxi will go there too
Also I'm sure MGM grand will be running free shuttles from Union Station and DCA ...I'd bet on that!
Without getting into the politics of Uber, it is possible that there are shows that I'd want to see enough to go out to National Harbor for. I've gone a lot farther. But I see MGM grand as a destination type of venue that will require destination type acts. Leonard Cohen would get me there. Someone like Bruce playing a smaller venue than normal. The type of thing that Vegas does with residencies. Otherwise, I just don't see myself going there. And I think there are a lot of people who will view it similarly.
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anyways back to the MGM venue.. they are booking some rock: Kings of Leon/Panic at the disco
I just can't see ever going there.. I mean its in Prince George's County, right?
I am sure there will be a band or two I want to see come there. It seems to me the type of place that Dylan or Prince would have played at some point in their careers. Getting there is a pretty big hurdle for me though. It will take a lot.
Do you lack a drivers license?
No, but I live in the city and so don't need or have a car.
Well it sounds like you will need one to get to the MGM.
I've never wanted a car before, but suddenly all that is changing. The promise of Vegas style Casino shows in my own back yard is definitely worth the price of a beater and city parking!
LOL, I've got a 95 Saturn I'm going to be selling...
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umm...has anyone heard of Uber?
cars are a pain in the ass and expensive
if you live in the burbs and beyond, it's a must. but if I lived in the city, I probably wouldn't have one
(although now I have kids...so that changes that stance a bit)
also you can take the water taxi from old town...and I think Georgetown
I bet when the new water front opens in SW the water taxi will go there too
Also I'm sure MGM grand will be running free shuttles from Union Station and DCA ...I'd bet on that!
Without getting into the politics of Uber, it is possible that there are shows that I'd want to see enough to go out to National Harbor for. I've gone a lot farther. But I see MGM grand as a destination type of venue that will require destination type acts. Leonard Cohen would get me there. Someone like Bruce playing a smaller venue than normal. The type of thing that Vegas does with residencies. Otherwise, I just don't see myself going there. And I think there are a lot of people who will view it similarly.
You must not have read that Leonard Cohen piece I posted somewhere in the past week... He ain't touring anytime soon... if ever again.
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umm...has anyone heard of Uber?
cars are a pain in the ass and expensive
if you live in the burbs and beyond, it's a must. but if I lived in the city, I probably wouldn't have one
(although now I have kids...so that changes that stance a bit)
also you can take the water taxi from old town...and I think Georgetown
I bet when the new water front opens in SW the water taxi will go there too
Also I'm sure MGM grand will be running free shuttles from Union Station and DCA ...I'd bet on that!
Without getting into the politics of Uber, it is possible that there are shows that I'd want to see enough to go out to National Harbor for. I've gone a lot farther. But I see MGM grand as a destination type of venue that will require destination type acts. Leonard Cohen would get me there. Someone like Bruce playing a smaller venue than normal. The type of thing that Vegas does with residencies. Otherwise, I just don't see myself going there. And I think there are a lot of people who will view it similarly.
You must not have read that Leonard Cohen piece I posted somewhere in the past week... He ain't touring anytime soon... if ever again.
And Prince is dead.... so it will take at least a minor miracle to get me out there.
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anyways back to the MGM venue.. they are booking some rock: Kings of Leon/Panic at the disco
I just can't see ever going there.. I mean its in Prince George's County, right?
I am sure there will be a band or two I want to see come there. It seems to me the type of place that Dylan or Prince would have played at some point in their careers. Getting there is a pretty big hurdle for me though. It will take a lot.
Do you lack a drivers license?
No, but I live in the city and so don't need or have a car.
Well it sounds like you will need one to get to the MGM.
I've never wanted a car before, but suddenly all that is changing. The promise of Vegas style Casino shows in my own back yard is definitely worth the price of a beater and city parking!
LOL, I've got a 95 Saturn I'm going to be selling...
I'll wait until they book at least one show I want to see before I commit to a Saturn
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for many shows 930 Club charges a "best club in the nation" premium.... and although it may seem expensive just remember to divide it by two...
I get that times change, I used to just walk up to 930 and buy a ticket and go see a band. Feel like I can't really do that as often anymore. Can't think of the last show I went to where I paid less than $35 to get in the door.
I remember when FSS opening was a rumor and Seth was 'battling' it and saying bands would charge more blah blah, but the bookings haven't really changed much but it seems the prices just keep going up. I get inflation and shit but dang sometimes it's a bit of a letdown to see some of the ticket prices.
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I remember when FSS opening was a rumor and Seth was 'battling' it and saying bands would charge more blah blah, but the bookings haven't really changed much but it seems the prices just keep going up. I get inflation and shit but dang sometimes it's a bit of a letdown to see some of the ticket prices.
what he said...
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I saw a commercial for some show there on TV...it was a rock band...
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wow... looks like its going to be a very pricey venue.. for joe bonamassa tickets are advertised as going from $91-200
even dividing by two that still seems pricey to me..
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for joe bonamassa tickets are advertised as going from $91-200
Well, he is a god among the Guitar Center set.
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for joe bonamassa tickets are advertised as going from $91-200
Well, he is a god among the Guitar Center set.
oh I know but that is still a lot more than he has charged the last few times around..
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Duran Duran NYE and NYD
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Duran Duran NYE
$113-$213 (plus charges of course)
I doubt I'll ever go to this venue because I doubt I will ever be able to afford it!
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Jesus Louisuz! For flippin Duran Duran!?!?!?