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=> GENERAL DISCUSSION => Topic started by: sweetcell on August 17, 2021, 01:11:33 pm
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since it's in the news, and we're arguing about it in random threads,here's once place to discuss both past and current collapses of the country... and what the future may hold.
these pix are crazy (apology if this has already been posted). might be the most people to ever fly on a single plane.
(https://media.zenfs.com/en/business_insider_articles_888/c46df9765c23d0ad1b43632c0943f1c4)
(source (https://news.yahoo.com/photo-shows-us-air-force-083217449.html))
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this is a day old, so may already be all red
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/640/cpsprodpb/5E0B/production/_119957042_afghanistan_control_map_16_aug_2x_640-nc.png)
and how it was only 5 days ago
(https://www.economist.com/img/b/608/776/90/sites/default/files/images/2021/08/articles/body/20210814_ASM989.png)
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Can't believe they're not wearing masks on that flight.
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can we blame Canada?
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/canada-utterly-failed-in-afghanistan-why-cant-we-say-this-out-loud/
Over 40,000 Canadian soldiers served in Afghanistan, making it our largest military deployment since the Korean War. We spent $2.2 billion in assistance spending trying to rebuild the country–Canada’s largest aid program in history. And our diplomatic strategy around the world, for the better part of a decade, pivoted on the war, and what it meant to our alliances and bilateral relations.
Afghanistan was not a sideshow—it was the main event for Canada, for over a decade. And yet, we don’t talk about it. Ever.
the author makes $2.2 bil sound like a lot of money...
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Can't believe they're not wearing masks on that flight.
I actually see a few
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Can't believe they're not wearing masks on that flight.
I actually see a few
pretty sure those are burkas.
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in all seriousness... what a god damn colossal failure by the US once again. Couldn't be more sad for those people.
Where are these people going to be dropped and then fucked over again?
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Sad? Those are the lucky ones….
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It was more a generalization of Afghani people vs the specific ones on the plane, but I have a hunch the people on that flight won't be so lucky either.
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I agree with you.
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After 20 years of war, it took 3 days of leaving the country to start it's own thread.
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I mean it’s all relative… people on that plane won’t get their heads chopped off but what awaits them in America? Contrary to popular opinion it’s not exactly easy for anybody here…
I am so hoping the taliban will moderate their actions - some signs they might- but that might be wishful thinking
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I am so hoping the taliban will moderate their actions - some signs they might- but that might be wishful thinking
I'll believe in a kinder, gentler Taliban when I see some evidence of it. It's not like they're riding around in bumper cars or anyt-- oh, wait.
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After 20 years of war, it took 3 days of leaving the country to start it's own thread.
That’s a great point…. It’s not as if the taliban didn’t control large swathes of Afghanistan already!
American liberals live and love to beat themselves up over the inequities around the world
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I am so hoping the taliban will moderate their actions - some signs they might- but that might be wishful thinking
I'll believe in a kinder, gentler Taliban when I see some evidence of it. It's not like they're riding around in bumper cars or anyt-- oh, wait.
Hey that’s a step forward if they can enjoy an American styled theme park!!!
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Super-spreader flight?
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can we blame Canada?
... before somebody thinks of blaming us
the author makes $2.2 bil sound like a lot of money...
for canada, it is considering its military spending. canada spends more of its budget on social programs like healthcare, so there isn't as much left for military. last year the country spent around $22B on military, in total. having a nearly unlimited military budget, including lots of unreported funding (dark money), isn't something canadians are into...
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I mean it’s all relative… people on that plane won’t get their heads chopped off but what awaits them in America?
they're not headed to america - that flight went to Doha. zero chance all those folks will be getting to the US, unless they already have visas.
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Can't believe they're not wearing masks on that flight.
i'm told the refreshments were pitiful and service was really, really slow.
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can we blame Canada?
... before somebody thinks of blaming us
having a nearly unlimited military budget, including lots of unreported funding (dark money), isn't something canadians are into...
Must be nice to have the biggest superpower and an ocean as their closest neighbor
I wouldn't spend any money on a military either
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I mean it’s all relative… people on that plane won’t get their heads chopped off but what awaits them in America?
they're not headed to america - that flight went to Doha. zero chance all those folks will be getting to the US, unless they already have visas.
none of those people are getting to the US.
They'll be living in a higher end version of whatever is happening at the Mexico border for a while and then shipped off to some other wasteland.
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Can't believe they're not wearing masks on that flight.
i'm told the refreshments were pitiful and service was really, really slow.
tell me about, paid for the upgrade to get the bigger seat and I heard they just left my luggage on the tarmac, I'm going to be speaking to the manager about this
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After 20 years of war, it took 3 days of leaving the country to start it's own thread.
https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=5911.0 (https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=5911.0)
https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=8255.0 (https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=8255.0)
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Not sure if I am just a cynic, an asshole or a realist
Not putting it up for a vote…. Sorry
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sounds like fun times
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E89JjsSXMAEogbg?format=jpg&name=large)
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Ain’t nothing fun about the taliban
Having said that, there are a lot of competing interests
I remain hopeful they will tone it down cause hope is all I got …
Let’s not forget no more Americans will die.
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Let’s not forget no more Americans will die.
And this is your positive spin? That armed american men are worth more than unarmed oppressed war-torn civilians?
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Let’s not forget no more Americans will die.
And this is your positive spin? That armed american men are worth more than unarmed oppressed war-torn civilians?
Worth more to whom?
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sounds like fun times
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E89JjsSXMAEogbg?format=jpg&name=large)
Even the ugly ones?
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/flyaway-emergency-afghan-rescue-mission?member=13260717&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer
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Taking time out from his search for the real killers to comment on COVID vaccinations and the Afghanistan situations. Thanks Juice!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1427653285608136704
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Pentagon says Kabul airport is secure, plans to evacuate 5,000 to 9,000 people per day (https://news.yahoo.com/kabul-airport-secure-taliban-pentagon-evacuation-flights-180638067.html)
At a briefing in Washington, U.S. officials said that approximately 3,500 troops were on the ground at Kabul's Hamid Karzai International Airport as of Tuesday morning, with 500 more expected by the end of the day.
About 100,000 people, including American citizens and Afghans who qualify for so-called special immigrant visas, or SIVs, are believed to be seeking to leave the country.
so we haven't really left yet...isn't that number higher than what was there the week before?
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Well I suppose the number will grow and grow…You could probably find millions of Afghanis who would love to come here.
One thing about people living in developing countries: they imagine living here like we are all millionaires kicking back at the beach. They have no idea that at least half of Americans are struggling to get by.. that most Americans can’t even afford a few hundred dollars emergency…they see the movies…here the things we want them to believe…we don’t advertise that half our country loathes immigrants, for example… that upward mobility has become largely a myth
If someone offered you two tickets to paradise wouldn’t you take them?
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we are all millionaires kicking back at the beach.
...hmm I live in in Arlington and that seems to the avg resident
If someone offered you two tickets to paradise wouldn’t you take them?
not if eddy money was the +1
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How dare you speak that way about the Money Man!
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https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/08/16/you-can-help-afghan-refugees-get-resettled-in-the-dc-area/?fbclid=IwAR1AcwELl-RUAMyE-4WFlO2XQ9mA70m-8oKnJxXpTOUpw-_cT1HTmb6PiQM
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Hutch, some Afghani translators were looking for a place to stay and I gave them your address
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But we are full…have you forgotten that family from West Baltimore we are hosting?
I will point them down the road to your place….
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But we are full…have you forgotten that family from West Baltimore we are hosting?
I will point them down the road to your place….
West Baltimore born and raised
Hanging outside Pimlico was where I spent most of my days
Working out, staking my corner, defrauding a fool
Shooting up heroin outside a school
When a couple of guys who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
And said you’re moving in with Hutch in Virginia somewhere!
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^ bravo, would read again
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The mujahideen resistance to the Taliban begins now. But we need help. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/18/mujahideen-resistance-taliban-ahmad-massoud/)
"I write from the Panjshir Valley today, ready to follow in my father’s footsteps, with mujahideen fighters who are prepared to once again take on the Taliban. We have stores of ammunition and arms that we have patiently collected since my father’s time, because we knew this day might come."
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^ bravo, would read again
I whistled for a cab but Hutch was already near
His license plate said VINYL and there was dice in the mirror
I almost thought I should up and run
But I decided, "no forget it:" "yo, Homes - to Arlington!"
I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8
And I yelled to Hutch 'Yo, Homes, smell ya later'
I looked at his couch, where his records were spun
Now it is my bed, as the Prince of Arlington
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;D
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But we are full…have you forgotten that family from West Baltimore we are hosting?
I will point them down the road to your place….
I'm up to my ears in Florida Felons, can't host any more
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Thankfully not all Americans are like Sidehatch
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/nova-afghans-arrivals-virginia/2021/08/21/a1fdc55c-02b7-11ec-ba7e-2cf966e88e93_story.html
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Thankfully not all Americans are like Sidehatch
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/nova-afghans-arrivals-virginia/2021/08/21/a1fdc55c-02b7-11ec-ba7e-2cf966e88e93_story.html
A little glimmer of positivity from our country. I wish these people the best.
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Thankfully not all Americans are like Sidehatch
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/nova-afghans-arrivals-virginia/2021/08/21/a1fdc55c-02b7-11ec-ba7e-2cf966e88e93_story.html
sidehatch? i thought it was hutch who told the SIVs to go pound (non-american) pavement...
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You must be confusing us…. I think maybe by Sidehatch’s nom de plume “SideHutch” which he sometimes shortens to “Hutch” for some real boneheaded stuff
My name is Starsky
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You must be confusing us…. I think maybe by Sidehatch’s nom de plume “SideHutch” which he sometimes shortens to “Hutch” for some real boneheaded stuff
My name is Starsky
no, i'm pretty sure i'm keeping hutch and (side)hatch separate. admittedly they're both really close...
i was thinking of the whole "we should help west baltimore instead of afghani translators" exchange (https://forum.930.com/index.php?topic=24829.msg521975#msg521975) we had.
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Yeah I remember that… I happen to agree with Hutch..even a stopped clock is right twice a day
My personal belief is we should take a good amount but not a huge amount…and the ones we don’t take we would work with our allies
Defining the exact amount is difficult not being privy to any estimate but I would be looking at the 20,000 to 50,000 range but circumstances will dictate
I stand by that and am glad we are doing so!
Some seem to feel we should take as many as want to come. I do not support that view…
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dozens-of-california-students-parents-stranded-in-afghanistan-after-summer-trip-abroad/ar-AANJlH5?ocid=entnewsntp
Seems like some bad decisions were made in considering this location for a mission trip.
Godspeed to them!!!
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Thoughts and prayers!
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Thankfully not all Americans are like Sidehatch
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/nova-afghans-arrivals-virginia/2021/08/21/a1fdc55c-02b7-11ec-ba7e-2cf966e88e93_story.html
sidehatch? i thought it was hutch who told the SIVs to go pound (non-american) pavement...
missed this swipe at me...thanks for coming to my defense
I'm already hosting 3 FL felons and an afghani family of 8 (I guess they don't do birth control?)
And thanks to Gov Northam for allowing 6,000 Afghan refugees arrive in Virginia, and more are expected
Haven't seen bowser or hogan do shit on this topic
Oh yeah Gov. Larry Hogan said Maryland expects to receive at least 180 Afghan refugees through the program. and will maybe take more...kinda weak sauce
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Thankfully not all Americans are like Sidehatch
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/nova-afghans-arrivals-virginia/2021/08/21/a1fdc55c-02b7-11ec-ba7e-2cf966e88e93_story.html
sidehatch? i thought it was hutch who told the SIVs to go pound (non-american) pavement...
missed this swipe at me...thanks for coming to my defense
I'm already hosting 3 FL felons and an afghani family of 8 (I guess they don't do birth control?)
And thanks to Gov Northam for allowing 6,000 Afghan refugees arrive in Virginia, and more are expected
Haven't seen bowser or hogan do shit on this topic
Oh yeah Gov. Larry Hogan said Maryland expects to receive at least 180 Afghan refugees through the program. and will maybe take more...kinda weak sauce
I think you are mixing apples and oranges
The article was basically about Afghanis arriving but I believe most were continuing their journey
Hosting is different than welcoming
They say soon we will hit 100,000 evacuated…. It’s not clear to me what percentage are Afghanis or how many we expect to evacuate
I don’t think Biden wants to say…
Of course one should welcome any evacuees (once they are here I don’t think there can be much to argue about)
I have no idea what criteria they are using on determining who gets evacuated
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I know, 1st world problems… but I love music and couldn’t imagine living without it
Taliban spokesman in interview confirmed music would no longer be allowed in public.
“Music is forbidden in Islam,” he said, “but we’re hoping that we can persuade people not to do such things, instead of pressuring them.”
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I know, 1st world problems… but I love music and couldn’t imagine living without it
Taliban spokesman in interview confirmed music would no longer be allowed in public.
“Music is forbidden in Islam,” he said, “but we’re hoping that we can persuade people not to do such things, instead of pressuring them.”
What a great religion, eh?
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I know, 1st world problems… but I love music and couldn’t imagine living without it
Taliban spokesman in interview confirmed music would no longer be allowed in public.
“Music is forbidden in Islam,” he said, “but we’re hoping that we can persuade people not to do such things, instead of pressuring them.”
What a great religion, eh?
No, no, its a great religion. Only Judeo-Christian religions suck; Islam and Hinduism are great and people who point out the flaws in these equally false belief structures are bigots.
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I know, 1st world problems… but I love music and couldn’t imagine living without it
Taliban spokesman in interview confirmed music would no longer be allowed in public.
“Music is forbidden in Islam,” he said, “but we’re hoping that we can persuade people not to do such things, instead of pressuring them.”
What a great religion, eh?
Cla$$ic $pa₵e
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I don’t care who knows it, and if they are offended
but ALL organized religions suck*
Period
*except the church of the subgenius…. Praise Bob
Oh and pastafarianism
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I don’t care who knows it, and if they are offended
but ALL organized religions suck*
Period
*except the church of the subgenius…. Praise Bob
Oh and pastafarianism
+1 Religion is an invention by man to control other humans beings.
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starting to get worse quick
Multiple fatalities reported following two explosions outside Kabul airport, a Taliban spokesperson confirms
In a statement on Thursday, the Pentagon press secretary confirmed the two explosions outside Kabul Airport were the "result of a complex attack that resulted in a number of US & civilian casualties". A Taliban spokesperson confirmed 13 people including children have died. According to the BBC, one explosion was a suicide bombing near to the closed Abbey Gate where British troops had been stationed. The second explosion was close to the Baron Hotel, the Pentagon press secretary added.
4 US marines to be among the dead
12 U.S. service members killed in terrorist attack outside Kabul airport
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That really sucks
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of course, you know who is there to help
José Andrés@chefjoseandres
What’s happening in Afghanistan breaks my heart…but the outpouring of support from people across America helps glue it back Mending heart Our @WCKitchen team at Dulles Airport saw even more refugees today….They had to go bring hundreds of extra meals & are still serving! #ChefsForAfghans
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Has he won the Nobel yet!?
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Has he won the Nobel yet!?
got my vote
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the last US military planes have left Afghanistan
Obviously all fixed and we can delete this thread
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Who had Ann Coulter supporting Biden on their Bingo card?