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[you be betty]

I was referring to Six Points.  Last year they had one all-ages show at the Black Cat with Army Of Me which was great, but all the other shows were in 21+ venues.  It was a serious bummer not to get to see Monopoli.  The last time I checked, the Rock N Roll Hotel was 21+, so are you 100% positive?  If it's all ages I will be very very happy.  And I appreciate the effort anyway, I guess.  I just wish there weren't so many 21+ venues around here.

[snailhook]

Please, at least for the sake of Grace and me, do not make this like all of the other DC "festivals" and book shows at all the 21+ venues.

sonic circuits dc is all ages at the warehouse, and the free folk phantasmagory III is all ages at 611 florida. the 20 buck spin was all ages in 2004, and split last year. get into the noise, psych, and doom metal scenes, we need more fans!
 
 the rock and roll hotel is 21+ with an all ages option. initially, it was going to be all ages all the time, but the owners deem it a pain in the ass to deal with, so we're doing all ages for shows where it's crucial. i disagree with this, but i only book and work there, and have no financial investment, so my opinion is moot.
 
 kayo dot/grails/wooden wand/kohoutek on halloween will be all ages, and say hi to your mom/metal hearts on 11/8 will be ages.
 
 it does suck that most of the clubs are 21+ around here. you can blame a combination of capitalism, cheap club owners, and a lack of altruism for that. the wilson center days are long gone.

[Vas Deferens]

Blame the venues, not the promoters  
 
 

Originally posted by you be betty:
 
 

Please, at least for the sake of Grace and me, do not make this like all of the other DC "festivals" and book shows at all the 21+ venues.  I really want to see Travis...and I guess I already can't see Exit Clov...  :confused:  [/b]

[redsock]

Originally posted by snailhook:
 
 the rock and roll hotel is 21+ with an all ages option. initially, it was going to be all ages all the time, but the owners deem it a pain in the ass to deal with, so we're doing all ages for shows where it's crucial. i disagree with this, but i only book and work there, and have no financial investment, so my opinion is moot.

Hmmm... didn't realize this had changed to "as needed." Rest assured, all DAM! Fest shows at the RnR will be all ages, including the Clov pre-party.

[lily1]

order from road records in ireland!
 
 i'm so pissed. i'll be out of town for both the iota show and the one in philly. grrr.
 
 actual frames tour in the states won't be until spring 2007.
 
   

Originally posted by Reod Dai:
  I've been on the lookout for it, but haven't had any luck.  Looks like I'll have to order it online.
 
 The Iota show is the first date in a small Swell Season tour here in the States.  It's five days after The Frames finish up a tour of Ireland in support of their new album, which releases September 22 in Ireland.  I'm not sure if I'll be able to wait for the stateside release, whenever that may be, or if I'll import a copy.      

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Joe M.:
  Blame the venues, not the promoters    
 
   

Originally posted by you be betty:
 
 

Please, at least for the sake of Grace and me, do not make this like all of the other DC "festivals" and book shows at all the 21+ venues.  I really want to see Travis...and I guess I already can't see Exit Clov...   :confused:   [/b]

[/b]

blame the LAWS, not the venues!

[sweetcell]

blame the LAWS, not the venues!

i think it's more like "blame economics".  
 
 you need to raise a certain amount of money, one way or another, to make a show economically viable.  21+ means you can sell alcohol, which is a huge money earner.  
 
 compounding the problems of the under-21 set is that they tend to have less disposable income (higher % of student, lower-paying jobs, etc) - so they wouldn't be able to afford the higher ticket prices that non-booze-selling events require.  
 
 there are a lot of well-off under-21s who would pay big bucks, just not enough of them.  now if those kids could subsidize the others...

[Vas Deferens]

Laws have nothing to do with it. Venues need to make their $$$, pure and simple. Also, blame the venues for starting the shows late and getting us drunk earlier than we should.
 
 

Originally posted by sweetcell:
   

blame the LAWS, not the venues!

i think it's more like "blame economics".  
 
 you need to raise a certain amount of money, one way or another, to make a show economically viable.  21+ means you can sell alcohol, which is a huge money earner.  
 
 compounding the problems of the under-21 set is that they tend to have less disposable income (higher % of student, lower-paying jobs, etc) - so they wouldn't be able to afford the higher ticket prices that non-booze-selling events require.  
 
 there are a lot of well-off under-21s who would pay big bucks, just not enough of them.  now if those kids could subsidize the others... [/b]

[Sage 703]

Originally posted by Joe M.:
  Laws have nothing to do with it. Venues need to make their $$$, pure and simple. Also, blame the venues for starting the shows late and getting us drunk earlier than we should.
 
   

Originally posted by sweetcell:
   

blame the LAWS, not the venues!

i think it's more like "blame economics".  
 
 you need to raise a certain amount of money, one way or another, to make a show economically viable.  21+ means you can sell alcohol, which is a huge money earner.  
 
 compounding the problems of the under-21 set is that they tend to have less disposable income (higher % of student, lower-paying jobs, etc) - so they wouldn't be able to afford the higher ticket prices that non-booze-selling events require.  
 
 there are a lot of well-off under-21s who would pay big bucks, just not enough of them.  now if those kids could subsidize the others... [/b]

[/b]

While economics I'm sure play a part, to say that the laws have nothing to do with it is untrue.  Laws have plenty to do with it.  It is much less about money than it is about legality, safety and security.
 
 See:
 
 http://www.ontaponline.com/view_article.php?article_id=10252

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Joe M.:
  Laws have nothing to do with it.  

how about the law that say we cant drink until we're 21???
 
 
  smartass.

[redsock]

Originally posted by callat703:
  While economics I'm sure play a part, to say that the laws have nothing to do with it is untrue.  Laws have plenty to do with it.  It is much less about money than it is about legality, safety and security.
 
 See: http://www.ontaponline.com/view_article.php?article_id=10252

Good article, but it doesn't address the history DC has had with this issue, going back to the late 70s and early 80s. The large black X and what it became a symbol of, Mackaye and the whole straight-edge movement. A lot of DC's musical past has been highly influenced by the "all-ages" show. Granted, this wasn't meant to be a Rolling Stone cover piece, but there is much more to the story.
 
 It's interesting, as I have run across this problem booking a lot of DC bands. Many of the DC-punk scene, new and old, really hold tight to the beliefs that it's underage or nothing. I'm sure Snailhook has too, but he has more underage options. I am on the fence honestly. I think you have to look at it from the venues point of view and from the concert-goer. Both sides can make valid arguements.

[Vas Deferens]

Why are we even arguing about this subject? The 930 Club and Black Cat are the only major venues in DC and both are all-ages.
 
 Why don't we complain about the lack of DC venues and/or the lack of good local bands?!

[sweetcell]

Originally posted by callat703:
 While economics I'm sure play a part, to say that the laws have nothing to do with it is untrue. Laws have plenty to do with it. It is much less about money than it is about legality, safety and security.
 
 See: http://www.ontaponline.com/view_article.php?article_id=10252  

funny, my read of that article is that money is still the main concern: selling booze (making profit), needing extra staff (cost of profit), avoiding fines (less profit).

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

How do you define "major venue"?
 
 Would you argue that the answer to getting more good shows here is simply putting in more venues? How about importing a population that actually enjoys rock music?
 
 
 

Originally posted by Joe M.:
  Why are we even arguing about this subject? The 930 Club and Black Cat are the only major venues in DC and both are all-ages.
 
 Why don't we complain about the lack of DC venues and/or the lack of good local bands?!

[Sage 703]

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