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Shadrach

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Re: Last Great Debut Album?
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2007, 03:02:00 pm »
Are we talking about the impact on the music scene as a whole? Society? You personally? The album charts?
 
 Not that either band had any real continued success, but both The Counting Crows and Hootie & The Blowfish had enormous debut albums with multiple smash hits on each one. It wouldn't be too hard to name a half dozen other debut albums that came close to, or surpassed G'n'R both in popularity and album sales.
 
 For me personally though I'd have to go with Beastie Boys - License To Ill. That album came out over 20 years ago and when they played Brass Monkey and No Sleep Till Brooklyn at Virgin Fest the crowd went absolutely nuts.
 
 Of course you could make a very strong argument for Nirvana - Nevermind as well.

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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2007, 03:02:00 pm »
I know you all may disagree with my Killers call, but in 1987, if this board existed and somebody (most likely me) posted about GnR you all would have said the same thing.  Especially with all the emotion over the Police and The Smiths breaking up, the hatred of GnR would have been immense.
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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2007, 03:02:00 pm »
Where's the tangential thread:
 
 Bands whose first album was clearly their best/Bands whose first album was clearly their worst.
 
 First category:
 
 Oasis
 
 Second category:
 
 Radiohead.
 
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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2007, 03:03:00 pm »
Yeah, I could see Oasis being mentioned, and Ten would definitely be a contender.  Can't believe I forgot that.
 
 
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  On the world music scene, Definitely Maybe is a viable argument, albeit its minor effect in America.
 
 Arguments could be made for Pearl Jam's Ten or The Postal Service's Give Up.

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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2007, 03:05:00 pm »
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  On the world music scene, Definitely Maybe is a viable argument, albeit its minor effect in America.
Agreed, because stateside, What's the story... was much more influential.
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Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface

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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2007, 03:07:00 pm »
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  Yeah, I could see Oasis being mentioned, and Ten would definitely be a contender.  Can't believe I forgot that.
 
   
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  On the world music scene, Definitely Maybe is a viable argument, albeit its minor effect in America.
 
 Arguments could be made for Pearl Jam's Ten or The Postal Service's Give Up.
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If we don't just care about sales/radio play, people need to think about the Postal Service's record. I guarantee in 2009 or whenever Pitchfork/Rolling Stone/etc put out there top 100 records of 2000-2009, that record will be in the top 5 of most. And if "indie is the new mainstream" like Rhett likes to claim, a large precentage of that affect can be traced back to that record.

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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2007, 03:07:00 pm »
I was mostly thinking of it in terms of musical impact, which I think is increased by widespread acceptance.  Appetite was definitely a punch in the face to a lot of the bullshit pop-metal that was out.  At the time, I would've scoffed at comparing GNR to any punk bands, but in retrospect, it's a pretty fitting comparison when you look at attitude and ferocity.
 
 The only think that stops Nirvana is that Nevermind wasn't a debut, and although I can see letting pre-Licensed to Ill Beasties slide, it came out a year before Appetite, which definitely doesn't make it the last great debut   :D  
 
 
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Originally posted by Shadrach:
  Are we talking about the impact on the music scene as a whole? Society? You personally? The album charts?
 
 Not that either band had any real continued success, but both The Counting Crows and Hootie & The Blowfish had enormous debut albums with multiple smash hits on each one. It wouldn't be too hard to name a half dozen other debut albums that came close to, or surpassed G'n'R both in popularity and album sales.
 
 For me personally though I'd have to go with Beastie Boys - License To Ill. That album came out over 20 years ago and when they played Brass Monkey and No Sleep Till Brooklyn at Virgin Fest the crowd went absolutely nuts.
 
 Of course you could make a very strong argument for Nirvana - Nevermind as well.

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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2007, 03:08:00 pm »
The Strokes - Is This It?
 
 They had to change the "sexy" album cover AND delete "NYC Cops" on the official US release.
 
 
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 But beyond that, I can't think of a single debut album that caused such a stir.  
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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2007, 03:10:00 pm »
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  The Strokes - Is This It?
 
This isn't a horrible choice, but I think it's musical affect is proving to not be particularly long-lasting. Are kids in 2010 going to reference the Strokes? Uh, prolly not. But yeah, for 3-4 years there, everything in new rock/indie was reactionary to The Strokes.

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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2007, 03:11:00 pm »
I wouldn't have, because 1987 nkotb would've called the lot of you pussies for listening to the Smiths and the Police   ;) .  But then again, my tastes have evolved past just Anthrax, Megadeth and NWA.  Now I have a soft side.
 
 
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  I know you all may disagree with my Killers call, but in 1987, if this board existed and somebody (most likely me) posted about GnR you all would have said the same thing.  Especially with all the emotion over the Police and The Smiths breaking up, the hatred of GnR would have been immense.

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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2007, 03:12:00 pm »
Agreed, although I think it's a little foolish to compare the shocking impact that the Strokes had when compared to GNR.  But does anyone still like the Strokes besides me?
 
 
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  The Strokes - Is This It?
 
This isn't a horrible choice, but I think it's musical affect is proving to not be particularly long-lasting. Are kids in 2010 going to reference the Strokes? Uh, prolly not. But yeah, for 3-4 years there, everything in new rock/indie was reactionary to The Strokes. [/b]

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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2007, 03:13:00 pm »
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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2007, 03:13:00 pm »
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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2007, 03:14:00 pm »
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Originally posted by wanderlust featuring j. marshmallow:
  The Strokes - Is This It?
 
 They had to change the "sexy" album cover AND delete "NYC Cops" on the official US release.
 
 
Which remain "The two stupidest record company censors of all time."
 
 Oh, the OUTRAGE if right after September 11th, the public were to hear that New York City Cops....ain't too smart.  Thanks, RCA!
 
 
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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2007, 03:15:00 pm »
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    But does anyone still like the Strokes besides me?
I like them ALOT, and Is This It? will probably be in my top 15 of the decade, but I can't just pretend they're still having a huge influence.