Last Great Debut Album?

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

First, whether the Strokes were ever "indie" since they were never on an indie label and their debut single tore up the MTV/radio charts is questionable. Second, even if they are "indie," they are a different musical style of indie music then DCFC, BSS, Bright Eyes, or any of the other bands people are saying got popular because of them.
 
 O.C. Rock or Braff Rock DOES NOT share a sound or a fan base with the Strokes. If there were a ton of Mooney Suzuki-esque bands that prospered from the Strokes, then OK, but there aren't. In fact, if you want to argue the record that most and first made OC/Braff rock accessible to the pop masses, it's the Postal Service record like I said.

[nkotb]

Straight Outta Compton wasn't a debut...which is why I didn't include it.  I was going to mention the other three, but I was doing some research first to make sure I had my facts straight about release dates and all.  Illmatic is definitely up there though.
 
 And Public Enemy's debut didn't make it because it was after Appetite.  Good calls otherwise.
 
 

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
 DEAR GOD! Thank you.  While I'm at it, I would like to thank whoever named 36 Chambers.  Let me run down the list briefly:
 
 Straight Outta Compton (I'll dismiss "N.W.A. & The Posse", cause most people don't know it exists)
 Illmatic
 Reasonable Doubt
 Ready To Die
 
 I'll name more once it hits me.  Considering that hip-hop has been the most dominant culture/musical genre (just look at Madison Avenue, you can't sell shit without a hip-hop beat in the background) of the past 20 years.  You have to list these albums as well.  While their album sales pale in comparison to Appetite, the influence pound for pound in each respective genre isn't even close.  Guns 'N Roses didn't reinvent the wheel, but these albums did.

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
  Considering that hip-hop has been the most dominant culture/musical genre (just look at Madison Avenue, you can't sell shit without a hip-hop beat in the background) of the past 20 years.  

I don't know what this "hip"-hop is, so I'm going to assume you've mistyped trip-hop, in which case, shouldn't we be discussing Dummy or Mezzanine? I mean, I realize everyone is trying to score indie-cred points by naming obscure acts, but you have to give props to the titans of the scene, hipster props be damned.

[allmy$to930]

We are not talking about impact. We are talking about "great albums".  I think a lot of people consider Heartbreaker to be a great album. I easily consider it to be one of the ten best of the last decade, and it was a debut.
 
 

Originally posted by nkotb:
  Honestly, what impact did Heartbreaker have?  A good album, but you've got to be kidding!
 
   

Originally posted by allmy$to930:
  If you can count solo spinoffs (like the The Chronic), then I would put Heartbreaker out there.

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[TheDirector217]

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
   

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
  Considering that hip-hop has been the most dominant culture/musical genre (just look at Madison Avenue, you can't sell shit without a hip-hop beat in the background) of the past 20 years.  

I don't know what this "hip"-hop is, so I'm going to assume you've mistyped trip-hop, in which case, shouldn't we be discussing Dummy or Mezzanine? I mean, I realize everyone is trying to score indie-cred points by naming obscure acts, but you have to give props to the titans of the scene, hipster props be damned. [/b]

No.  No mistype. Let me break it down for you.
 
 Hip-Hop/MCs = Rakim, Jay-Z, Mos Def, Kanye, etc.
 
 Rap/Rappers = Nelly, Coolio, any other ringtone rapper you hear on the radio today that includes a dance with their song, etc.

[nkotb]

Well hell, I love Ween's debut album, but I'd be kidding myself to put in on a list with Appetite.
 
 Did you miss the "single debut album that caused such a stir" clause in my original post?  Or the "he only thing I can think of as a potential contender would be Slanted & Enchanted, but less face facts...it didn't have a quarter of the reach that Appetite did."  Or maybe the "And don't start throwing around bullshit "I love the Arctic Monkeys' debut album" because that's pure idiocy" part?
 
 

Originally posted by allmy$to930:
  We are not talking about impact. We are talking about "great albums".  I think a lot of people consider Heartbreaker to be a great album. I easily consider it to be one of the ten best of the last decade, and it was a debut.
 
   

Originally posted by nkotb:
  Honestly, what impact did Heartbreaker have?  A good album, but you've got to be kidding!
 
   

Originally posted by allmy$to930:
  If you can count solo spinoffs (like the The Chronic), then I would put Heartbreaker out there.

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[Vas Deferens]

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[TheDirector217]

I believe there was an underlined implication that impact was being discussed as well.  Heartbreaker had no impact like most of the other albums being named.  Which is a testament to Ryan cause he has his own lane.
 
   

Originally posted by allmy$to930:
  We are not talking about impact. We are talking about "great albums".  I think a lot of people consider Heartbreaker to be a great album. I easily consider it to be one of the ten best of the last decade, and it was a debut.
 
   

Originally posted by nkotb:
  Honestly, what impact did Heartbreaker have?  A good album, but you've got to be kidding!
 
     

Originally posted by allmy$to930:
  If you can count solo spinoffs (like the The Chronic), then I would put Heartbreaker out there.

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[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

--double post--

[JohnnyBaconbitz]

AF/Funeral will hold up historically as a classic debut

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
  No.  No mistype. Let me break it down for you.
 
 Hip-Hop/MCs = Rakim, Jay-Z, Mos Def, Kanye, etc.
 
 Rap/Rappers = Nelly, Coolio, any other ringtone rapper you hear on the radio today that includes a dance with their song, etc.

I didn't understand a word of any of this.
 
 No matter: I'm going to go listen to Wolf Eyes (sincerely) and Wolf Parade (ironically).

[Sage 703]

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
  First, whether the Strokes were ever "indie" since they were never on an indie label and their debut single tore up the MTV/radio charts is questionable. Second, even if they are "indie," they are a different musical style of indie music then DCFC, BSS, Bright Eyes, or any of the other bands people are saying got popular because of them.
 
 O.C. Rock or Braff Rock DOES NOT share a sound or a fan base with the Strokes. If there were a ton of Mooney Suzuki-esque bands that prospered from the Strokes, then OK, but there aren't. In fact, if you want to argue the record that most and first made OC/Braff rock accessible to the pop masses, it's the Postal Service record like I said.

I didn't say the Strokes were indie.  I said they broke down that barrier.  The aesthetic of that Strokes record is undeniably one that is shared by the majority of indie rock - Casablancas' vocals, for example, being masked by the vocal effect.  People wouldn't have been ready for a Bright Eyes without being opened up to the different audio aesthetic that the Strokes provided to the masses.  It was then in turn cemented by the White Stripes.

[nkotb]

Looks like Reasonable Doubt came out in 1996, which I think may give the Director the win.  That's definitely a top contender.

[TheDirector217]

Originally posted by Julian, faux celeb-porn CONNOISSEUR:
   

Originally posted by TheDirector217:
  No.  No mistype. Let me break it down for you.
 
 Hip-Hop/MCs = Rakim, Jay-Z, Mos Def, Kanye, etc.
 
 Rap/Rappers = Nelly, Coolio, any other ringtone rapper you hear on the radio today that includes a dance with their song, etc.

I didn't understand a word of this.[/b]

Then you never will, my friend.  And I shall not hold it against you.
 
 P.S. Where do you think trip-hop originated from???

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by callat703:
  People wouldn't have been ready for a Bright Eyes without being opened up to the different audio aesthetic that the Strokes provided to the masses.  It was then in turn cemented by the White Stripes.

I don't agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.