Big Yawn is a Joke

[Herr Professor Doktor Doom]

Originally posted by Celeste:
   

Originally posted by Random Citizen:
  if I've listened to an album 3-4 times (which I do for each review before writing), then I feel I have enough background to write a review of that particular album.

you feel that way...I'm glad you feel that way...but I would disagree and add that *feeling* or *thinking* you can write a review without a little depth of knowledge of the history of that artist or genre is what would yield reviews such as the ones I found so offensive...
 
 a review is--or should be--more than just opinion
 
 a good place to start would be to ask whether the artist was successful in achieving what they set out to do with the album if you don't know anything about the artist or the genre, you won't even ask the right questions [/b]

You have a point, but none of this justifies the vitriol of your attacks, though.  Nor does it support a criticism of the whole site when you could only find two reviews as examples.   A classy thing to do would be to apologize.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

If those two reviews are indicative of the lack of musical knowledge of the writers on the site, why would she want to bother reading the whole site?
 
 I for one know that Celeste is not a huge country music fan. But I am. I think I should recieve an apology for the offensiveness of the reviewers in their terse, condescending dismissal of the genre of country music. Better yet, the reviewers should apologize to Jason Ringenberg and Loretta Lynn. Now that would be classy, Doctor Dolt.
 
 
  [/qb][/QUOTE]You have a point, but none of this justifies the vitriol of your attacks, though.  Nor does it support a criticism of the whole site when you could only find two reviews as examples.   A classy thing to do would be to apologize. [/QB][/QUOTE]

[Bombay Chutney]

Originally posted by Random Citizen:
 I disagree. The whole point about writing a review of an album is to say whether or not you, the reviewer, like the album. But then again, you wouldn't understand...
 

Well, the whole point of reading reviews is to help the reader determine whether or not they should bother checking out the music.  Reviews like the Loretta Lynn review don't really help much at all, in that respect.  Two-thirds is a rant against Loretta's attention in the indie-press.  The last third basically says "I don't like country music" and "This sounds like a Loretta Lynn CD."  Neither of those comments is very helpful to the reader.
 
 Does Jack show any influence on the sound of the CD?  Is it more bluesy than Loretta's other CDs?  Does it have a harder edge to it?  Is Jack's production completely unnoticable? Does Jack sing or just play guitar on the track he guests on?  Does it sound completely out of place?
 
 A good review isn't about whether or not the reviewer likes/dislikes the CD. It's about  why the reviewer has that opinion.
 
 Unless you're Lester Bangs.  Then anything goes.

[Celeste]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  ...the offensiveness of the reviewers in their terse, condescending dismissal of the genre of country music...

Originally posted by Herr Doctor Doom:
 ...the vitriol of your attacks...a criticism of the whole site when you could only find two reviews as examples...

see the similarity...the medium is the message, as I mentioned before...and the *manner* is the message as well...I think we're on to something now

[HoyaSaxa03]

Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
   

Originally posted by Random Citizen:
 I disagree. The whole point about writing a review of an album is to say whether or not you, the reviewer, like the album. But then again, you wouldn't understand...
 

Well, the whole point of reading reviews is to help the reader determine whether or not they should bother checking out the music.  Reviews like the Loretta Lynn review don't really help much at all, in that respect.  Two-thirds is a rant against Loretta's attention in the indie-press.  The last third basically says "I don't like country music" and "This sounds like a Loretta Lynn CD."  Neither of those comments is very helpful to the reader.
 
 Does Jack show any influence on the sound of the CD?  Is it more bluesy than Loretta's other CDs?  Does it have a harder edge to it?  Is Jack's production completely unnoticable? Does Jack sing or just play guitar on the track he guests on?  Does it sound completely out of place?
 
 A good review isn't about whether or not the reviewer likes/dislikes the CD. It's about  why the reviewer has that opinion.
 
 Unless you're Lester Bangs.  Then anything goes. [/b]

it's a bad review because it assumes you've been reading other (ahem, pitchfork, ahem) reviews of the album and that you've been hearing about it in indie circles all year.
 
 if big yawn wants to be kind of a "meta review" depository, then more power to them, i'd rather hear about the album itself.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Celeste:
   

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
  you can shut up now.

why should I "shut up"? I don't want to dis BY any more, but I'm certainly not going to let some intellectual light weight completely miss the point...
 
 who tells people to "shut up" on a chat board? [/b]

i said you "can shut up" not should. can you read?
 
    meanwhile, your ending comment i am assuming was calling my petty or childish, which you have certainly proven today to be the HUGE winner at.
 
    if i recall correctly, you have used your intelligence, knowledge and intellect to utter "little twat", "second rate wannabes", "you don't know shit" , "you ass" and "fool"
 
    hardly sounds like words from an intelligent person!
   
    you have gone off the deep end and made a complete fool of yourself and are too proud and self-righteous to admit it, and you are now finished questioning the integrity of the website, but are now insulting the intelligence of those you choose to keep company with (yes, only on the internet, but you do read and post here)

[Random Citizen]

Originally posted by Bombay Chutney:
 A good review isn't about whether or not the reviewer likes/dislikes the CD. It's about  why the reviewer has that opinion.
 
 Unless you're Lester Bangs.  Then anything goes.

I agree (including the LB point), but the assumption made by another poster is that a writer should not to inject his/her opinion into the review. It's that point with which I disagree. Honestly, I try to avoid using words such as I, me, my, myself in reviews because it's a given that it's my opinion of the album.

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
 I think I should recieve an apology ...
 
 Better yet, the reviewers should apologize to Jason Ringenberg and Loretta Lynn.
 

i am sorry you like crappy music, and i am sorry Jason and Loretta make crappy music.
 
   

[Celeste]

Originally posted by Random Citizen:
  but the assumption made by another poster is that a writer should not to inject his/her opinion into the review

if you mean me, I made no such "assumption"...but you could mean someone else

[thirsty moore]

...or is it the massage?
 
 

Originally posted by Celeste:
 see the similarity...the medium is the message, as I mentioned before...and the *manner* is the message as well...I think we're on to something now

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Sounds like Markie (back in his glory days) to me.
 
 

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 

Originally posted by Celeste:
 [qb]  

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 [qb]
 
    if i recall correctly, you have used your intelligence, knowledge and intellect to utter "little twat", "second rate wannabes", "you don't know shit" , "you ass" and "fool"
 
    hardly sounds like words from an intelligent person!
   
   [/b]

[Celeste]

Originally posted by sonickteam2:
 ...you have gone off the deep end and made a complete fool of yourself and are too proud and self-righteous to admit it, and you are now finished questioning the integrity of the website, but are now insulting the intelligence of those you choose to keep company with (yes, only on the internet, but you do read and post here)

see my post above comparing my critique of the site with the album reviews
 
 those who feel insulted insult their own intelligence (or lack thereof) themselves
 
 they don't need me for that

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I could sure use a "massage to completion."
 
 
 

Originally posted by econo:
  ...or is it the massage?
 
   

Originally posted by Celeste:
 see the similarity...the medium is the message, as I mentioned before...and the *manner* is the message as well...I think we're on to something now

[/b]

[thirsty moore]

I'm sure McLuhan could have used one as well.
 
 

Originally posted by Rhett Miller:
  I could sure use a "massage to completion."

[sonickteam2]

Originally posted by Celeste:
 
 those who feel insulted insult their own intelligence (or lack thereof) themselves
 
 they don't need me for that

no celeste, you have actually insulted people directly.
 
  or should i say, you have said "insulting things" to people today.  perhaps they werent insulted.