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[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Even though no Barack Obama supporter on here has been willing to list Obama's track record of success of yet, a Texas State Senator rose in his defense last night on Chris Matthew's program.
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o
 
 I know when I've been put in my place. I stand corrected. HopeChange '08!

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
  Even though no Barack Obama supporter on here has been willing to list Obama's track record of success of yet, a Texas State Senator rose in his defense last night on Chris Matthew's program.
 
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o  
 
 I know when I've been put in my place. I stand corrected. HopeChange '08!

fucking horseshit, you are so full of it, you are playing the same intellectual dishonesty everybody else does
 
 here are some points on his record
 http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2006/10/barack_obama.html

[manimtired]

Originally posted by pdx pollard:
   

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
  Even though no Barack Obama supporter on here has been willing to list Obama's track record of success of yet, a Texas State Senator rose in his defense last night on Chris Matthew's program.
 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o  
 
 I know when I've been put in my place. I stand corrected. HopeChange '08!

fucking horseshit, you are so full of it, you are playing the same intellectual dishonesty everybody else does
 
 here are some points on his record
  http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2006/10/barack_obama.html [/b]

was the senator full of fucking horseshit too?

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by manimtired:
 was the senator full of fucking horseshit too?

the state senator was obviously a poor choice for surrogate, but to say that Obama has no record because that state senator blew it on tv is pure intellectual dishonesty
 
 if thats the case we need to start questioning why hillary is running based solely on the clearly incompetent campaign staff she has (Wolfson and Penn)

[ggw]

Why?  If your mom simply types in "hillaryclinton.com" you still get to her website.  Likewise, if you simply type in "930.com" or any other site, you still get the web page.  Perhaps you aren't web savvy?
 
 

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  Do you have statistics to back this up? My mom is a casual web user, and I still have to stick the "www" in front of things for her. Are the "masses" necessarily "web savvy"?
 
   

Originally posted by vansmack:
   

Originally posted by callat703:
  I think it is very telling that Hillary Clinton keeps plugging her website in her speeches.  Says a lot about her base.

This is what's telling to me.  Anybody who still says "www" before their web address is out of touch with the masses.  Everytime she says go to my web site, she says "www.hillaryclinton.com" when most people who are web saavy would simply say "Hillaryclinton.com" [/b]

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[vansmack]

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  Do you have statistics to back this up? My mom is a casual web user, and I still have to stick the "www" in front of things for her. Are the "masses" necessarily "web savvy"?

First off, I don't think there's a web browser left on the market that still makes you put "www" in front of a web address in the address bar to get the correct web site.  I just tried hillaryclinton.com (without the www) on three different web browsers and not a single one didn't go directly to her page.  I'll have to ask sweetcell to test IE 6 for me.
 
 I will have to find the statistic, but one of the internet giants pointed out the majority of older American's still use web portals as their interface on the web, not the address bar.  That means they are more likely to make yahoo, AOL, google or MSN their home page and type whay they are looking for in the search box, and not the complete address in the address bar.  
 
 If both of these are the case, why include the www as it is no longer necessary?   It shows that you're out of touch.

[manimtired]

Originally posted by pdx pollard:
   

Originally posted by manimtired:
 was the senator full of fucking horseshit too?

the state senator was obviously a poor choice for surrogate, but to say that Obama has no record because that state senator blew it on tv is pure intellectual dishonesty
 
 if thats the case we need to start questioning why hillary is running based solely on the clearly incompetent campaign staff she has (Wolfson and Penn) [/b]

i dont think people are saying he has NO record...just not a very substantial one for the job he's gunning for.

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by pdx pollard:
  you are playing the same intellectual dishonesty everybody else does
 

It's intellectual dishonesty to pose a serious question to a group of Obama supporters over a week ago, continually receive no attempt at an answer despite repeated requests, and then to point out that one of Obama's biggest supporters in Texas also couldn't answer said question without being laughed at by literally everyone in the studio? Really, that's intellectual dishonesty?
 
   

Originally posted by pdx pollard:
  here are some points on his record
   http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2006/10/barack_obama.html  

What a hilariously shallow, meatless overview, not to mention peppered with the use of the British slang term "wonky," which I'm pretty certain the author doesn't know means "unreliable, not trustworthy."
 
 Then again, touting avian flu reform as Obama's legislative comeuppance is probably the most wonky form of intellectual dishonesty yet.
 
 As Mondale said of Gary Hart, "Where's the beef?"

[ratioci nation]

Originally posted by manimtired:
  i dont think people are saying he has NO record...just not a very substantial one for the job he's gunning for.

well i dont know what Hillarys is because Julian wont tell me and I dont know how else I would find out

[ggw]

Originally posted by Julian, good manners AFICIONADO:
  ...peppered with the use of the British slang term "wonky," which I'm pretty certain the author doesn't know means "unreliable, not trustworthy."
 

Man....That's totally gonna cost him the British vote.

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

I didn't say that I use the "www". I said that I use it for her benefit, since that's what she's used to.
 
 I think it's fitting that she put the "www" in front of her website. Her followers are more about the Democratic status quo, and not about being savvy or embracing change.
 
 That's not to say that my mom is a Hillary follower, as she is not. But lot's of lesser educated, less web savvy folks are.
 
 

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
  Why?  If your mom simply types in "hillaryclinton.com" you still get to her website.  Likewise, if you simply type in "930.com" or any other site, you still get the web page.  Perhaps you aren't web savvy?
 
   

Originally posted by Charlie Nakatestes,Japanese Golfer:
  Do you have statistics to back this up? My mom is a casual web user, and I still have to stick the "www" in front of things for her. Are the "masses" necessarily "web savvy"?
 
   

Originally posted by vansmack:
     

Originally posted by callat703:
  I think it is very telling that Hillary Clinton keeps plugging her website in her speeches.  Says a lot about her base.

This is what's telling to me.  Anybody who still says "www" before their web address is out of touch with the masses.  Everytime she says go to my web site, she says "www.hillaryclinton.com" when most people who are web saavy would simply say "Hillaryclinton.com" [/b]

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[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by pdx pollard:
 well i dont know what Hillarys is because Julian wont tell me and I dont know how else I would find out

To make it an apples-to-apples comparison, I'll limit it to her time in the Senate. Off the top of my my head, she sponsored over 150 bills during the current session of Congress and well over 500 during her tenure. There are 21 pieces of legislation (since 2004) that she wrote and was the principle sponsor on that became law. These include increasing benefits for 9/11 families and economic "stimulus" packages extending the availability of unemployment insurance and establishing programs to help caregivers. On the other hand, Obama has exactly 2 such pieces of legislation during the same time: one encouraging the DRC to take up democracy and one naming a post office.
 
 Additionally, Hillary worked in bipartisan fashion with Lindsey Graham to expand health care access to the National Guard and Reservists and passed an amendment starting programs for national teacher training and recruitment.
 
 But hey, Obama was anti-bird flu before everyone else.

[vansmack]

Anyone can get people to write policy papers on just about any issue.
 
 Fewer people can build consensus to implement that policy.

[Julian, Alleged Computer F**kface]

Originally posted by vansmack:
 Fewer people can build concensus to implement that policy.

Obama: Building consensus when it comes to naming post offices and sending shout-outs to the Democratic Republic of the Congo since 2004!

[Charlie Nakatestes, Japanese Golfer]

Does anyone else think that Hillary looks like a cross between Christopher Walken and Walter Mondale?
 
  <img src="http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Scary%20Hillary%20Clinton.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
  <img src="http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/07/08/10_walken_lgl.jpg" alt=" - " />
 
  <img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Mondale_as_Senator.jpg" alt=" - " />