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Re: For All You Caps Fans
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2008, 05:03:00 pm »
Amen:
 
 Shero's bold moves were the right ones
 Wednesday, February 27, 2008
 By Bob Smizik, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08058/860692-194.stm
 
 There will be people who insist Penguins general manager Ray Shero made a mistake in trading for free-agent-to-be Marian Hossa because it's just not smart hockey to deal for such a player unless a team is on the cusp of Stanley Cup championship contention.
 
 Those people are missing the point.
 
 The Penguins are on the cusp of playing for the greatest team trophy in all of sports.
 
 That's why Shero made the trade. That's why he must be saluted today for having the courage to pull the trigger on a deal that brings to the Penguins exactly the kind of winger Sidney Crosby needs.
 
 It would have been easy for Shero to stick to his master plan of patiently developing the Penguins' mother lode of wondrous talent and seek a championship further down the road. But he has been watching the same hockey we've all been watching of late, which means it's easy to see why he came to the conclusion this team was ready to win this year, not in 2009 or '10.
 
 Shero has seen an injury-ravaged team play just about as well as any club in the Eastern Conference. He has seen it more than hold its own without Crosby. He had the foresight to realize that with Crosby and now with Hossa the Penguins have the potential not just to be good but to be great.
 
 Who knows what the future might bring in terms of injury or defection. This year, the talent is here. The time to strike was now.
 
 Yes, the price was steep. Just a few minutes before yesterday's 3 p.m. trading deadline, Shero sent two of the team's top nine forwards, Colby Armstrong and Erik Christensen; last year's No. 1 draft choice, Angelo Esposito; and the team's first pick in the 2008 draft to the Atlanta Thrashers.
 
 The price is steeper still because there is no guarantee Hossa will re-sign with the Penguins.
 
 Still, the deal was a good one and potentially a great one. It's a deal people might be talking about for decades. It's a deal that can put the Penguins into the Stanley Cup final.
 
 The Penguins aren't just a better team today than they were before 3 p.m. yesterday, they could well be the best team in the Eastern Conference.
 
 In addition to Hossa, the Penguins acquired Pascal Dupuis, a small, speedy forward whose strength is on the penalty kill from the Thrashers. In another deal, Shero gave up second- and fifth-round draft choices to Toronto for 6-foot-7, 250-pound defenseman Hal Gill, who is as slow as he is big. Gill gives the Penguins a physical presence it lacked, but him being slow on his skates is not in sync with their style.
 
 Those who might think Shero mortgaged the team's future for nothing more than a possible chance at glory this year need to rethink their premise. Armstrong and Christensen were complementary players. They can be replaced. Giving up first-round draft choices can be dangerous, but let's not forget that from 1996-2001 the Penguins' No. 1 picks were Craig Hillier, Robert Dome, Milan Kraft, Konstantin Koltsov, Brooks Orpik and Colby Armstrong.
 
 As for chemistry concerns, and Armstrong, in particular, was important in that regard, nothing ramps up chemistry like winning.
 
 Besides, how has a team mortgaged its future when it still has Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Jordan Staal, Kris Letang, Ryan Whitney, Marc-Andre Fleury, Ryan Malone and Sergei Gonchar?
 
 "I still feel good about our future," Shero said. "I still feel good about the assets we have. Not many teams ... not any team can sit there with a Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Letang, Whitney and Gonchar. We've got great assets here. I think we'll be a good team for a long period of time."
 
 The key, of course, is Hossa, a gifted sniper who is almost certain to play alongside Crosby. Hossa had 26 goals and 30 assists in 60 games with Atlanta. He scored 43 goals last season and had 45 in 2002-03. His production only figures to increase playing beside the best playmaker in the league. Crosby, too, when he returns from injury, will prosper by playing with a veteran world-class goal-scorer like Hossa.
 
 With Crosby and Hossa making up two-thirds of one line and the highly productive unit of Malkin, Malone and Petr Sykora another, the Penguins will present enormous defensive challenges to opponents.
 
 Shero didn't speak at length about the possible signing of Hossa to a long-term contract. Considering how many younger players must be satisfied financially, it will be difficult to keep Hossa, who is earning $7 million this year and seeking a long-term deal at an annual salary of at least that much.
 
 But that's for the future. It's the present that counts. And the acquisition of Hossa has made the Penguins' present one that is rich with promise.
 
 It's a great day for hockey in Pittsburgh.

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Re: For All You Caps Fans
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2008, 05:12:00 pm »
Oh, well, if Bob Smizik disagrees with me, I must be wrong.
 
 We get it -- you're a fanboy. Enjoy Pittsburgh's wild ride to the second round of the playoffs where they'll quickly discover they have neither the defense nor goaltending to make a serious run.

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Re: For All You Caps Fans
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2008, 05:21:00 pm »
if smizik poasted that on hockybuzz.com as omgwingsrgr8 then it would be relevant
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Re: For All You Caps Fans
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2008, 05:24:00 pm »
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  if smizik poasted that on hockybuzz.com as omgwingsrgr8 then it would be relevant
It's equally as relevant as any single post I referenced. It's but one opinion among thousands. The fact he/she posts it as though its a definitive affirmation of his fanboy-blinded world view is laughable.
 
 My point is just because he works for a newspaper and wrote an article doesn't somehow make his opinion more credible then mine or anyone else's. In fact, his opinion acctually proves itself deficient since its in disagreement with my opinion, which also happens to be the 100% correct gospel truth.

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Re: For All You Caps Fans
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2008, 05:30:00 pm »
I've always been of the school of thought that an opinion is only as valid as the evidence you have to back it up.  
 
 And since no one has any evidence as to the merits of this trade because the events haven't unfolded, every one is simply making a prediction.
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Re: For All You Caps Fans
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2008, 05:44:00 pm »
since you poasted that on a message board, smackie, i'll agree
 
 if you wrote that in a newspaper after watching every prediction for 30 years, it would be an epic fail
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Re: For All You Caps Fans
« Reply #36 on: February 29, 2008, 07:24:00 pm »
Now we have some evidence....
 
 Hossa out a week after injury in Pens Debut (a 5-1 loss to Boston)
 
 Begin the debate.
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Re: For All You Caps Fans
« Reply #37 on: February 29, 2008, 07:30:00 pm »
All I can say is the title of this thread is really misleading.

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Re: For All You Caps Fans
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2008, 04:16:00 am »
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  All I can say is the title of this thread is really misleading.
That can certainly be changed.
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Re: For All You Caps Fans
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2008, 08:17:00 pm »
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  All I can say is the title of this thread is really misleading.
i've enjoyed the thread, it's just like going to a real caps game and having pens fans take over.
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Re: For All You Caps Fans
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2008, 05:31:00 pm »
caps should consider drafting The Hives!
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Re: For All You Caps Fans
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2008, 12:15:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Shemp:
  All I can say is the title of this thread is really misleading.
i've enjoyed the thread, it's just like going to a real caps game and having pens fans take over. [/b]
Take over?  Please... 30% at the most. Being drunk and loud doesn't equate a take over.
 
 Only fans from Pittsburgh and Buffalo come to near orgasm at the site of a fellow fan outside of their respective cities.

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Re: For All You Caps Fans
« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2008, 12:39:00 pm »
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 Only fans from Pittsburgh and Buffalo come to near orgasm at the site of a fellow fan outside of their respective cities.
Uh, Detroit? I went to see the Hurricanes a few weekends back and had a 40 year-old gentlemen hug me from behind because I was wearing a Wings jersey. At first, I thought it was because my butt looked fantastic in the jeans I was wearing, but when he asked if I thought the Wings could sustain enough offense by breaking up Zetterberg and Datsyuk onto separate lines, I knew.

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Re: For All You Caps Fans
« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2008, 12:42:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Shemp:
  All I can say is the title of this thread is really misleading.
i've enjoyed the thread, it's just like going to a real caps game and having pens fans take over. [/b]
Take over?  Please... 30% at the most. Being drunk and loud doesn't equate a take over.
 
 Only fans from Pittsburgh and Buffalo come to near orgasm at the site of a fellow fan outside of their respective cities. [/b]
30% pens fans, 20% caps fans and half empty
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Re: For All You Caps Fans
« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2008, 01:15:00 pm »
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Originally posted by Shemp:
  All I can say is the title of this thread is really misleading.
i've enjoyed the thread, it's just like going to a real caps game and having pens fans take over. [/b]
Take over?  Please... 30% at the most. Being drunk and loud doesn't equate a take over.
 
 Only fans from Pittsburgh and Buffalo come to near orgasm at the site of a fellow fan outside of their respective cities. [/b]
30% pens fans, 20% caps fans and half empty [/b]
Back in the day I can remember Caps fans being outnumbered by most other teams at the old phone booth, it wasn't so bad at the original Capital Centre but once they moved into DC I think they lost quite a bit of their Baltimore area fan base. Canucks especially would show up anytime a Canadian team was in town, and very well behaved too I might add. The Wings sheeple (more recent years Pens bandwagoners) didn't cause much trouble, and the NY fans just obnoxious and loud, but what's new, they're New Yorkers!! Flyers fans are just a bunch of wankers and I had cause to kick the crap out of one after a playoff game against the Sens. I had fun with the Bruins fans because it was always good banter.
 
 
 What you have to understand is DC is a very transient city so there's going to plenty of 'away' fans that actually live in DC. The Dolphins have a similar problem evidently...if you go to Dolphin Stadium if the Giants or Jets are in town the Dolphin fans are the minority.