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bearman🐻

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Steve Albini is at it again...
« on: October 06, 2010, 10:40:00 am »
Thoughts??

http://pitchfork.com/news/40293-steve-albini-goes-off-on-sonic-youth/

You gotta give it to veteran producer and former Big Black/current Shellac frontman Steve Albini-- dude is indie as fuck. So indie, in fact, that he recently told GQ that he considers Sonic Youth a "bad influence" (!) for signing with major label Geffen in 1990, a choice Abini thinks they "should be embarrassed about." (Sonic Youth broke ties with Geffen around 2008 and their latest LP, The Eternal, came out on indie Matador.)

It seems relevant to note that two of Albini's most notable engineering credits are Nirvana's In Utero and PJ Harvey's Rid of Me-- both of which came out on major labels. Perhaps he never cashed those checks?

Click on for Albini's full analysis-- which actually might be harsher than those pull quotes would let on:


On Sonic Youth's decision to sign with Geffen: "I don't know the exact circumstances of Sonic Youth's decision, so I'm not comfortable saying they did it wrong. But a lot of the things they were involved with as part of the mainstream were distasteful to me. And a lot of the things that happened as a direct result of their association with the mainstream music industry gave credibility to some of the nonsense notions that hover around the star-making machinery. A lot of that stuff was offensive to me and I saw it as a sellout and a corruption of a perfectly valid, well-oiled music scene. Sonic Youth chose to abandon it in order to become a modestly successful mainstream band-- as opposed to being a quite successful independent band that could have used their resources and influence to extend that end of the culture. They chose to join the mainstream culture and become a foot soldier for that culture's encroachment into my neck of the woods by acting as scouts. I thought it was crass and I thought it reflected poorly on them. I still consider them friends and their music has its own integrity, but that kind of behavior-- I can't say that I think it's not embarrassing for them. I think they should be embarrassed about it."

He goes on (really!): "I think what they did was take a lot of people who didn't have aspirations or ambitions and encouraged them to be part of the mainstream music industry. They validated the fleeting notions that these kids had that they might one day be rock stars. And then they participated in inducing a lot of them to make very stupid career moves. That was a period where the music scene got quite ugly-- there were a lot of parasitic people involved like lawyers and managers. There were people who were making a living on the backs of bands, who were doing all the work. Had Sonic Youth not done what they did I don't know what would have happened-- the alternative history game is kind of silly. But I think it cheapened music quite a bit. It made music culture kind of empty and ugly and was generally a kind of bad influence."

As an amazing end note, GQ threw some prime red meat in the famously t-shirt-and-jeans-wearing producer's direction with the question "How would you describe your fashion?" His answer lived up: "I think fashion is repulsive. The whole idea that someone else can make clothing that is supposed to be in style and make other people look good is ridiculous. It sickens me to think that there is an industry that plays to the low self-esteem of the general public. I would like the fashion industry to collapse. I think it plays to the most superficial, most insecure parts of human nature. I hope GQ as a magazine fails. I hope that all of these people who make a living by looking pretty are eventually made destitute or forced to do something of substance. At least pornography has a function."

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Re: Steve Albini is at it again...
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2010, 11:19:49 am »
"That was a period where the music scene got quite ugly-- there were a lot of parasitic people involved like lawyers and managers. There were people who were making a living on the backs of bands, who were doing all the work."

I guess centuries can be considered a period.
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2010, 11:28:54 am »
I think being friends with Albini probably comes with the understanding that, at some point, you're going to do something that's not quite DYI enough for him. 

Definitely a different take.  I mean, most people applaud SY for making the jump while not selling out and using their clout to bring other bands with them.  Guess Albini considers that the gateway drug of major label-hood.

Hard to fault his thought process though; I mean, the dude believes this AND lives it.  Although Pitchfork's questioning of him recording major label albums is a bit flawed.  Hasn't he always said he'd record any band, but if it's a major, he'll gouge them because a) it's not the band's money and b) it gives him the ability to then record bands he likes/respects for less or free?

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Re: Steve Albini is at it again...
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2010, 11:39:09 am »
I think being friends with Albini probably comes with the understanding that, at some point, you're going to do something that's not quite DYI enough for him.
I'm sure he was a real pain in the ass when the industry moved from 78's to 12's.

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Re: Steve Albini is at it again...
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2010, 11:43:59 am »
Actually, the Pitchfork author is being a little harsh on him. Steve charges a one-time fee, and doesn't accept royalties for his work. He could have made a fortune on "In Utero" but instead just got the job done quickly and efficiently, and made a damn fine-sounding record...abrasive, but that was the idea.

As for Sonic Youth, if it wasn't them, then who? The Replacements were no different, same thing with Husker Du. Sonic Youth was on SST, and ALL the SST bands got frustrated with how shifty and shady Greg Ginn and Co. were handling their business affairs. So SY go to Enigma, who goes belly up. They were frustrated and wanted to distribute their music more widely. I cannot fault them for that, and that's where I disagree with Steve. Nowadays, it makes no sense for musicians to go to a label when Merge and Matador still do a great job. Weezer going to Epitaph is funny.

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Re: Steve Albini is at it again...
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2010, 11:45:29 am »
Not as funny as people buying new Weezer albums :)

Weezer going to Epitaph is funny.

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Re: Steve Albini is at it again...
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2010, 11:50:33 am »
He makes me laugh.  The fact is no one can record like him.  Plus, Shellac rocks.

Sonic Youth is the Grateful Dead of indie rock.  I like them, but it's a fact.

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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2010, 12:05:00 pm »
The main difference is that when Sonic Youth improvise, it doesn't sound like noodly garbage 9.5 times out of 10.


RE:Albini, the SY stuff is a little overboard but the comments about file/music sharing are dead on. The stuff about the fashion industry is gold.
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Re: Steve Albini is at it again...
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2010, 12:19:46 pm »
I think in retrospect that bands that didn't sign with majors did themselves a disservice  at that unique point in time (1989-1991)...

The one that comes to mind is Fugazi.... Of course if you don't want people to listen to your music then doing what they did is the way to go...

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Re: Steve Albini is at it again...
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2010, 12:24:09 pm »
Agreed...I'd sign on that contract without a moment's hesitation.  But I'll always give Albini props for talking the talk and actually following through.

I think in retrospect that bands that didn't sign with majors did themselves a disservice  at that unique point in time (1989-1991)...

Why should comparing them to GD be considered an insult???

Sonic Youth is the Grateful Dead of indie rock.  I like them, but it's a fact.

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Re: Steve Albini is at it again...
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2010, 12:53:18 pm »
Best production work Steve Albini ever did was for Robbie Fulks.

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Re: Steve Albini is at it again...
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2010, 12:54:59 pm »
I don't get the SY - GD comparison. SY is to indie rock as GD is to ??

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Re: Steve Albini is at it again...
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2010, 01:11:56 pm »
I just mean they're indie rock guitar noodlers.  Not that they are bad.  I like them.  I just think they are the Grateful Dead of indie rock.  But, yes, they are much better at it.

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Re: Steve Albini is at it again...
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2010, 01:26:54 pm »
Okay - I get that. It's no secret that Thurston is a closet Deadhead and it definitely shows on some of their music.

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Re: Steve Albini is at it again...
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2010, 01:34:06 pm »
I'm no big fan of either, but you really think that Sonic Youth is better and noodly guitar music that the Grateful Dead? Really?

I sent the quote about fashion to my wife (without attributing it to anybody), and her response was priceless:

I think that quote comes from a bitter and weird person.



I just mean they're indie rock guitar noodlers.  Not that they are bad.  I like them.  I just think they are the Grateful Dead of indie rock.  But, yes, they are much better at it.