yes but i want to hear what James Ford means... is it a terrorist attack if white people gun down people of muslim faith ..or only if people who claim to have muslim faith kill white people? or if people of muslim faith kill people of muslim faith?
i find the Sam Harris' and Fords' pretty much to have facilitated Trump's ban... they try to walk a fine line.. .they get too cute... they're like yes islam is a huge problem and the liberal apologists are the problem but at the same time "hey now, we don't want to be associated with this Trump thing.."
personally i think the muslim ban from certain countries is ridiculous on many levels (and i'm still unclear on how it affects greencard holders /permanent residents, and other key issues) but i also think vetting people in different ways coming from different countries is very doable.. we already do it...our Embassies and consulates do that every day...there is nothing to preclude a few extra checks here or there.. a different form there.. a longer waiting period ... higher fees.. we do that all the time... when the Argentina economy fell apart in 2000 and Argentine people started "visiting" the US and simply never leaving the US changed its policies and made it much much harder... you don't have to do it as a "muslim" thing.. you just do it on a country by country basis as the situation warrants it... I honestly think Trump has done it in this way ON PURPOSE.. yes, this messy way.. to send a signal to his base that "You see, I did what I said.. i'm a man of action.. now look at those whiny liberals"....He did not want to execute it in a well thought out reasoned manner on purpose... the ban as implemented makes zero sense.. what about Saudi Arabia? I mean geez..
but getting back to my point.. people like Ford and Harris cannot walk away from Trump cause they own this.. .they try to get cute and say they don't but they do... we've seen Ford make his bigoted statements on this board dozens and dozens of times.... he can't say that those statements have no relation to what is happening... sorry dude....doesn't work that way..
