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« Reply #285 on: March 19, 2020, 10:10:49 am »
allright Georgen!

burying Space's xenophobic seeming (or joke?) post....

I heard that the virus was traced to a food market in Wuhan, China. Is that incorrect?

An asian supermarket, in the USA not same (or really even similar to) the Wuhan market that is at the base of this .... this is some Drumpf level "Chinese Virus" shit, that I am surprised you would take the bait on, but Space gotto be space I guess. Maintaining the character to own the libs.

I have shopped at an Asian supermarket before in VA (though not the Wuhan market that you've obviously shopped at), but thanks for the mansplaining. Sorry you missed the nuance of the joke, and not offended if you didn't find it funny.

seems like a backpedal to call it a joke now.  :o :o

Well it was 100% intended as a joke. Sorry the internet isn't as transparent as I'd like it to be.

Jokes aside, I'm not Chinese, but I think this person's comment on another internet source sums it up well:


Our family emigrated from China. I'm okay with Drumpf calling it a Chinese virus.

 Ignorant people can do with that label what they please, but this virus did originate in China, which makes the Chinese label entirely logical and appropriate.


That said, the world has far bigger things to worry about.

as a joke it was mediocre, but okay.  but i called it out as such, and you seemed to (by asking me a question) saying it was not. 

i agree that there are bigger things to worry about, but one anecdotal chinese person saying that it is okay does not make it okay ..... there's gonna be lingering hate-based bullshit going on and calling it a "Chinese virus" is not helpful.


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Re: In Which I Share With You the Best Song that Played as I Grocery Shopped
« Reply #286 on: March 19, 2020, 10:31:04 am »
allright Georgen!

burying Space's xenophobic seeming (or joke?) post....

I heard that the virus was traced to a food market in Wuhan, China. Is that incorrect?

An asian supermarket, in the USA not same (or really even similar to) the Wuhan market that is at the base of this .... this is some Drumpf level "Chinese Virus" shit, that I am surprised you would take the bait on, but Space gotto be space I guess. Maintaining the character to own the libs.

I have shopped at an Asian supermarket before in VA (though not the Wuhan market that you've obviously shopped at), but thanks for the mansplaining. Sorry you missed the nuance of the joke, and not offended if you didn't find it funny.

seems like a backpedal to call it a joke now.  :o :o

Well it was 100% intended as a joke. Sorry the internet isn't as transparent as I'd like it to be.

Jokes aside, I'm not Chinese, but I think this person's comment on another internet source sums it up well:


Our family emigrated from China. I'm okay with Drumpf calling it a Chinese virus.

 Ignorant people can do with that label what they please, but this virus did originate in China, which makes the Chinese label entirely logical and appropriate.


That said, the world has far bigger things to worry about.

as a joke it was mediocre, but okay.  but i called it out as such, and you seemed to (by asking me a question) saying it was not. 

i agree that there are bigger things to worry about, but one anecdotal chinese person saying that it is okay does not make it okay ..... there's gonna be lingering hate-based bullshit going on and calling it a "Chinese virus" is not helpful.

Was it a  big deal to you when Don Lemon, Sanjay Gupta and Mika Brezezinski, all called it the "Chinese Coronavirus", or just when Trump did?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/




The evidence of China’s deliberate cover-up of the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan is a matter of public record. In suppressing information about the virus, doing little to contain it, and allowing it to spread unchecked in the crucial early days and weeks, the regime imperiled not only its own country and its own citizens but also the more than 100 nations now facing their own potentially devastating outbreaks. More perniciously, the Chinese government censored and detained those brave doctors and whistleblowers who attempted to sound the alarm and warn their fellow citizens when they understood the gravity of what was to come.









Some American commentators and Democratic politicians are aghast at Donald Trump and Republicans for referring to the pandemic as the “Wuhan virus” and repeatedly pointing to China as the source of the pandemic. In naming the disease COVID-19, the World Health Organization specifically avoided mentioning Wuhan. Yet in de-emphasizing where the epidemic began (something China has been aggressively pushing for), we run the risk of obscuring Beijing’s role in letting the disease spread beyond its borders.

China has a history of mishandling outbreaks, including SARS in 2002 and 2003. But Chinese leaders’ negligence in December and January—for well over a month after the first outbreak in Wuhan—far surpasses those bungled responses. The end of last year was the time for authorities to act, and, as Nicholas D. Kristof of The New York Times has noted, “act decisively they did—not against the virus, but against whistle-blowers who were trying to call attention to the public health threat.”


 





This is what allowed the virus to spread across the globe. Because the Chinese Communist Party was pretending that there was little to be concerned about, Wuhan was a porous purveyor of the virus. The government only instituted a lockdown in Wuhan on January 23—seven weeks after the virus first appeared. As events in Italy, the United States, Spain, and France have shown, quite a lot can happen in a week, much less seven. By then, mayor Zhou Xianwang admitted that more than 5 million people had already left Wuhan.


If that weren’t enough, we can plumb recent history for an even more damning account. In a 2019 article, Chinese experts warned it was “highly likely that future SARS- or MERS-like coronavirus outbreaks will originate from bats, and there is an increased probability that this will occur in China.” In a 2007 journal article, infectious-disease specialists published a study arguing that “the presence of a large reservoir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb. The possibility of the reemergence of SARS and other novel viruses from animals or laboratories and therefore the need for preparedness should not be ignored.” It was ignored.



The political scientist Andrew Michta has drawn controversy and accusations of racism for stating what any measured overview of the evidence makes clear. “The question about assigning agency and blame is pretty straightforward to answer,” he writes in The American Interest. The Chinese state, he says, is culpable.

But is this a time for blame? Yes, it is. Accounting for responsibility when a disaster happens—particularly one likely to devastate entire countries, leaving thousands dead—is not beside the point, particularly as Chinese officials move to take advantage of the crisis and launch a disinformation campaign claiming that the U.S. Army introduced the virus.

Well before the new coronavirus spread across American cities, the Chinese regime was already rather creatively trolling U.S. publications, expelling American journalists, and “weaponizing wokeness” over anything it perceived as critical of China’s role in mishandling the epidemic. To hear Chinese spokespeople use the language of racism and prejudice is somewhat surreal, considering this is a regime that has put more than 1 million Muslims and ethnic minorities in “reeducation” camps.



Of course, Americans will have to be vigilant against scapegoating Asians in general or the Chinese people in particular. With one of the highest infection rates and death tolls, Chinese citizens have suffered enough. The Chinese leadership, however, is another matter. A government is not a race. It’s a regime—and easily one of the worst and most brutal in our lifetime. Criticizing authoritarian regimes for what they do outside their own borders and to their own people is simply calling things as they are. To do otherwise is to forgo analysis and accuracy in the name of assuaging a regime that deserves no such consideration.
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« Reply #287 on: March 19, 2020, 10:55:43 am »
dude, either it was a joke or it wasn't.  Pick one.

I was unaware of the media using that name for it. I don't really media much. But they are still not the government.

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« Reply #288 on: March 19, 2020, 11:00:58 am »
dude, either it was a joke or it wasn't.  Pick one.

I was unaware of the media using that name for it. I don't really media much. But they are still not the government.

It was a joke.

But on a serious note on the same topic, I think it's dumb to play social justice warrior and try to downplay the origin and the cause of the spread of the virus, when it's clearly the CHINESE government who is to blame.

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« Reply #289 on: March 19, 2020, 11:42:51 am »
dude, either it was a joke or it wasn't.  Pick one.

I was unaware of the media using that name for it. I don't really media much. But they are still not the government.

In the early day of the AIDS epidemic, they called it the Gay Virus. Once science stepped in and gave it a better name, nobody ever used the term again.

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« Reply #290 on: March 19, 2020, 11:44:35 am »
dude, either it was a joke or it wasn't.  Pick one.

I was unaware of the media using that name for it. I don't really media much. But they are still not the government.

It was a joke.

But on a serious note on the same topic, I think it's dumb to play social justice warrior and try to downplay the origin and the cause of the spread of the virus, when it's clearly the CHINESE government who is to blame.

Thank god for jokes.
you made me laugh into my bowl of pangolin/bat stew.

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« Reply #291 on: March 19, 2020, 11:49:23 am »
"WHO CRITICIZES STIGMATIZING LANGUAGE At yesterday’s WHO COVID-19 press conference, a senior WHO official denounced the use of stigmatizing language and terminology with respect to COVID-19 and other diseases. Mike Ryan, Executive Director of the WHO’s Health Emergencies Programme, noted the importance of adhering to the accepted and appropriate terminology for infectious diseases in order to reduce the stigma and negative connotations for individuals and populations associated with slang terms. The comments follow recent pushback against the repeated use of unofficial and stigmatizing terms, including by US President Donald Trump. The official and accepted terms are SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2) when referring to the virus or infection and COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) when referring to the disease or symptoms. These terms were selected based on existing WHO guidance, which aims to reduce stigma associated with a particular place, group of people, animal, or others that was common under historical virus and disease naming practices that often referred to how or where they were first discovered."

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« Reply #292 on: March 19, 2020, 01:11:59 pm »
Yeah, I'm done with that conversation.

Thanks for the tip on Latin grocery stores. Just got back and made some valuable purchases. No music playing though.

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« Reply #293 on: March 19, 2020, 01:37:56 pm »
"WHO CRITICIZES STIGMATIZING LANGUAGE At yesterday’s WHO COVID-19 press conference, a senior WHO official denounced the use of stigmatizing language and terminology with respect to COVID-19 and other diseases. Mike Ryan, Executive Director of the WHO’s Health Emergencies Programme, noted the importance of adhering to the accepted and appropriate terminology for infectious diseases in order to reduce the stigma and negative connotations for individuals and populations associated with slang terms. The comments follow recent pushback against the repeated use of unofficial and stigmatizing terms, including by US President Donald Drumpf. The official and accepted terms are SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2) when referring to the virus or infection and COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) when referring to the disease or symptoms. These terms were selected based on existing WHO guidance, which aims to reduce stigma associated with a particular place, group of people, animal, or others that was common under historical virus and disease naming practices that often referred to how or where they were first discovered."

-Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security


Heilung, he's done with that conversation.

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« Reply #294 on: March 19, 2020, 01:43:53 pm »
Too bad we all know what he wrote....,


Next time keep it to the conspiracy thread Space



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« Reply #295 on: March 19, 2020, 03:18:30 pm »
Trump's gonna stick with Chinese on this.  From the WaPo staff photogtapher instagram....

   https://www.instagram.com/p/B97LwdDppQE/       

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« Reply #296 on: March 19, 2020, 03:23:40 pm »
Anchorage Daily News: Alaska congressman downplays coronavirus as 'beer virus,' says pandemic caused by media 'hysteria'

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« Reply #297 on: March 19, 2020, 03:30:35 pm »
Getting back on topic, the last time I was at Trader Joe's Glover Park, I heard "Pale Shelter" by Tears for Fears and had to go home and listen to the entire album for the first time in at least a decade. It was nice.

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« Reply #298 on: April 03, 2020, 10:29:58 pm »
Was a weird grocery store trip

I wore a mask for the first time... that was actually way harder to do than I thought
I opened freezer cases with my sleeve
People all walked as far as humanly possible away from each otherwise
No one made eye contact
Staff was overly friendly and squirmish 
I don’t even think there was music playing
LAMF

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« Reply #299 on: April 03, 2020, 10:40:32 pm »
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