The 2020 thread....

[hutch]

I had not seen this before

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds?fbclid=IwAR3M9hbi2a6aC7atJmxp9nAKUE8AqSeAwSrJs320m6tVZLRFNVsSaiuShDQ

[nkotb]

As someone that did vote for HRC over Trump (I'm not fully insane, gang) I do think they number stinks.  But you have to ask how that compares to past elections.  This was pretty eye opening though i think that for anyone that blames Bernie for Trumps victory it wont move the needle:

"Moreover, defections from a primary to general election are common. More voters went from Hillary Clinton to John McCain in 2008 than went from Sanders to Trump in 2016; about 13 percent of Trump’s 2016 voters also voted for Barack Obama in 2012."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/24/16194086/bernie-trump-voters-study

I had not seen this before

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds?fbclid=IwAR3M9hbi2a6aC7atJmxp9nAKUE8AqSeAwSrJs320m6tVZLRFNVsSaiuShDQ

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NYT with 2 endorsements?  but nice they are giving Klobuchar much needed bump of attention


The board identified Klobuchar, who has struggled to break out and join the top tier of candidates, as “a standard-bearer for the Democratic center” and reasoned that “the best chance to enact progressive plans could be under a Klobuchar administration.” It said Klobuchar would be a deal maker who could unite the liberal and moderate wings of the party — and possibly bring the entire country together.

 “t’s far too early to count Ms. Klobuchar out,” the board said. “Senator John Kerry, the eventual Democrat nominee in 2004, was also polling in the single digits at this point in the race.”

dissed Biden pretty hard
The board dismissed former Vice President Joe Biden’s lead in national polls as “a measure of familiarity as much as voter intention,” arguing that “merely restoring the status quo will not get America where it needs to go as a society” and insisted he pass the torch to a new generation of leaders.

[nkotb]

Endorsing both Warren and Klobuchar, who I would argue have pretty diametrically opposed platforms, is so peak 2020 it's breathtaking.

For the life of me, I really can't understand why the media is trying to make Klobuchar happen.  What about her has these people so desperate to see her rise in the polls?

[hutch]

Maybe the fact neither Bernie nor Warren has a prayer and four more years of Trump could be the end of a free media?

I don’t know...just spitballing here

[nkotb]

Aside from the fact that you're wrong...what does she have that Biden or Mayor Pete don't?  I think Pete is an absolute disaster, but he's polling way higher than Klobuchar is.  And Biden has the polling numbers already.

I'm genuinely curious!  I've seen a lot of articles or talk before each debate that it's Amy's time to shine and it never happens, or articles begging voters to take a second look.  What are they seeing that the voters aren't?  And if their goal and belief is to stop Bernie/Warren (let's say), why not go with someone (like Biden or Pete) that actually have support?

Maybe the fact neither Bernie nor Warren has a prayer and four more years of Trump could be the end of a free media?

I don’t know...just spitballing here

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Aside from the fact that you're wrong...what does she have that Biden or Mayor Pete don't? 

I'd say the biggest thing Amy doesn't have is $$$$

 2020 Ad spending #s

Bloomberg: $235,543,844
Steyer: $149,727,295
Trump: $41,150,887
Buttigieg: $26,059,413
Sanders: $24,614,920
Warren: $15,774,869
Yang: $11,278,501
Biden: $9,118,760
Klobuchar: $6,875,507
Gabbard: $3,716,312
Bennet: $1,576,251

[nkotb]

That's kind of what I mean...I'd argue that ad spending is directly related to money raised (duh, except for billionaire dipshits like Bloomberg and Steyer), and money raised is directly tied to support, right?  So if she's not raising money...and Pete/Biden are, why try to boost her?

[hutch]

Well she is not bordering on senility or is running on the experience of being in charge of a little village? I would say that’s something

[nkotb]

LOL yeah, I guess that's a good call.  I do find her infinitely more palatable than Pete. Just seems like they're trying to make fetch happen here.

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Just seems like they're trying to make fetch happen here.

watch it buddy...getting ready to cross a line where there's no going back

I think she should go with the campaign slogan she used in High School  "All the Way with Amy K."

[hutch]

Well obviously anybody supporting anyone other than Bernie must have their motives questioned and be discredited.

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why try to boost her?

Not that I'm a Kerry fan ....but it's important to state this again
“Senator John Kerry, the eventual Democrat nominee in 2004, was also polling in the single digits at this point in the race.”

[nkotb]

You're projecting again.  I can completely understand why someone would support Warren or Biden...I just feel there's a better candidate and like to talk about why I feel that way.

And I'm not discrediting anyone that supports Klobuchar or questioning their motives.  The media seems to really want it to happen and I have to assume I'm missing something...I don't see any daylight policy-wise to differentiate her from Biden, and polling/money raised seems to indicate one has support and the other doesn't.  I'd like to understand it.

Back to the endorsement, though.  I can't see that how that helps anyone but Klobuchar and Bernie tbph.  It might drive folks supporting Biden or Warren to her in enough numbers to drive their support down, but I can't see it doing that in enough numbers to counter Bernie's latest surging.  And given of the left/progressive skepticism of Warren already, lumping her in with Klobuchar probably reinforces that to some folks.

Well obviously anybody supporting anyone other than Bernie must have their motives questioned and be discredited.

[nkotb]

Sure, but how did that turn out? 

why try to boost her?

Not that I'm a Kerry fan ....but it's important to state this again
“Senator John Kerry, the eventual Democrat nominee in 2004, was also polling in the single digits at this point in the race.”